Wow! Ford trumps Toyota!

[PICK3]

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060503/AUTO03/605030329&SearchID=73244436287064

Summary

Considering the $1,384 price difference between our two test vehicles, the Fusion SLE seemed to offer so much more than the Camry LE, in terms of engine size and performance, as well as creature comforts and -- most surprising of all -- assembly quality.

Overall Winner: Ford Fusion

USA! USA! USA![SIZE]

 

[tiger88]

seriously camerys are nice but who the hell wants to look like a grandma? all toyotas stuff is from old peeps and peeps who no flash and dash....nice but blah

 

[the-short-one]

What's that new car that Toyota has out? Yaris? 40 miles to the gallon.

 

[PICK3]

What's that new car that Toyota has out? Yaris? 40 miles to the gallon.

40 mpg hwy ... prob low 30's city. In real world mileage it isn't getting better than the ECHO the car it replaced. I owned an 05 Corolla LE and when I evacuated for Katrina with 4 people and luggage I got 39.6 mpg.

 

[the-short-one]

40 mpg hwy ... prob low 30's city. In real world mileage it isn't getting better than the ECHO the car it replaced. I owned an 05 Corolla LE and when I evacuated for Katrina with 4 people and luggage I got 39.6 mpg.

with fule prices, people are going to start buying these cars that get that mileage. I'm thinking about it, myself.

 

[rnch]

Detroit News, based out of detroit michigan, the epicenter of american auto makers, could hardly be considered an unbiased judge of automobiles.

american buyers vote with their checkbook.........they buy what they want, not what they are told. sad to say, toyota and honda have kicked american ass for years and years...by building a better car/truck.

 

[PICK3]

Detroit News, based out of detroit michigan, the epicenter of american auto makers, could hardly be considered an unbiased judge of automobiles.

american buyers vote with their checkbook.........they buy what they want, not what they are told. sad to say, toyota and honda have kicked american ass for years and years...by building a better car/truck.

True, but historically DN hasn't favored Ford or other U.S. makers over Toyota.

 

[Phenom78]

with fule prices, people are going to start buying these cars that get that mileage. I'm thinking about it, myself.

They're a ripoff. You'll probably never recover even the upfront price premium you pay for that type of car in gas savings. The mileage estimates are also screwy because of the way they run. They're good for highway driving, but in city driving brings the numbers way down.

 

[Phenom78]

And Buy American.

 

[PICK3]

with fule prices, people are going to start buying these cars that get that mileage. I'm thinking about it, myself.

True, Yaris are being sold for MSRP and the Honda Fit is typically going for $500 over MSRP, but beware of EPA gas mileage rating on the windows they typically misrepresent "real world mileage" ... usually significally.

I just read a report about a Jeep Liberty diesel that was rated at 22mpg city and CR got 11 mpg

The EPA guidelines are supposed to be changed in Fall 2007.

 

[needtogetaas]

the ford futoin has to be the gayest looking car I have ever seen.
I would take a toyota celica over that peace anny day.
besides honda beets them all.

 

[sublime35]

The Ford Fusion looks like a Ford Sedan mixed w/ the Honda Prelude. They stole the headlights from the 98 - up models and the rear end from the 96 model.
http://www.jaycwang.com/Images/prelude/Prelude2.jpg

http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog_photos/honda/prelude/honda_prelude_1056.jpg

 

[TC2]

And Buy American.

I have always bought american... and always had bullshit problems and endless recalls with them.

No more american made cars for me, my next one is going to be a Honda.

 

[nycgirl]

I have always bought american... and always had bullshit problems and endless recalls with them.

No more american made cars for me, my next one is going to be a Honda.

I don't know, why, but there is something about this statement that I find funny.

(Tc2- this is not against you, at all).

 

[TC2]

I don't know, why, but there is something about this statement that I find funny.

(Tc2- this is not against you, at all).

I just realized how much this sounds like my attitude towards white american women.

 

[heatherrae]

That's interesting! My last car was a Camry, and my new car is the Fusion, so I can say from experience that I like the Fusion better. It's a nice car. I get a big discount on Ford products because my Dad retired from Ford. Until the Fusion, I didn't buy a Ford because I couldn't find one that I liked. It's a nice car.

 

[Wulfgar]

Im buying an international CXT for my work next month

lol, cant beat 7 miles to the gallon Diesel.
70 gallon tank. what is that? 300$ roughly a tank?
good lord Im glad I can write off gas milage

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

40 mpg hwy ... prob low 30's city. In real world mileage it isn't getting better than the ECHO the car it replaced. I owned an 05 Corolla LE and when I evacuated for Katrina with 4 people and luggage I got 39.6 mpg.

Those electronic mileage displays on the console have about as much accuracy as a cross-eyed sniper.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Detroit News, based out of detroit michigan, the epicenter of american auto makers, could hardly be considered an unbiased judge of automobiles.

american buyers vote with their checkbook.........they buy what they want, not what they are told. sad to say, toyota and honda have kicked american ass for years and years...by building a better car/truck.

No truck is or has been better than the F150 series by Ford. Even Chevy makes a better truck overall than any foreign competition.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

the ford futoin has to be the gayest looking car I have ever seen.
I would take a toyota celica over that peace anny day.
besides honda beets them all.

So you're a traitor then?

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

The Ford Fusion looks like a Ford Sedan mixed w/ the Honda Prelude. They stole the headlights from the 98 - up models and the rear end from the 96 model.
http://www.jaycwang.com/Images/prelude/Prelude2.jpg

http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog_photos/honda/prelude/honda_prelude_1056.jpg

Everything is borrowed from something else.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

Until 3 years later when the Ford starts breaking down like crazy. Toyota Camery will push 250k miles easy with not alot of problems. Let's see an American car do that.

I would definitely test drive the Hyundai Sonata that comes fully loaded with 5 star crash ratings all around and with $5,000 less price tag before buying any of those two. It's winning awards left and right by JD Power and Associates and from others. Hyundai is predicted to surpass Honda and Toyota in sales by 2011.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

No truck is or has been better than the F150 series by Ford. Even Chevy makes a better truck overall than any foreign competition.

I don't know about the quality of F150, but it is the #1 selling vehicle in USA. http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/s...g-vehicles-in-us-rise-year-to-year-128859.php Them southern hicks must love their trucks cause Chevy Silverado is also #2. But Japan's focus wasn't on the Truck market until recently and plans a full assault.

 

[rnch]

No truck is or has been better than the F150 series by Ford. Even Chevy makes a better truck overall than any foreign competition.

i suspect a shiot load of toyota and nissan truck owners might mildy disagree wit your assertion.....

 

[cboogsrun]

Until 3 years later when the Ford starts breaking down like crazy. Toyota Camery will push 250k miles easy with not alot of problems. Let's see an American car do that.

I would definitely test drive the Hyundai Sonata that comes fully loaded with 5 star crash ratings all around and with $5,000 less price tag before buying any of those two. It's winning awards left and right by JD Power and Associates and from others. Hyundai is predicted to surpass Honda and Toyota in sales by 2011.

I had a 1986 ford escort gt with 178k on it before I fucked it all up. I was really hard on shit, so no car would last with me when I was 16

 

[vansmack2000]

Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Kentucky, Inc.
Manufacturing plant in Georgetown, Kentucky. Established in 1986.

TMMK, Toyota’s largest manufacturing facility outside of Japan, builds the Avalon, Camry, and Camry Solara coupe and convertible, as well as 4-cylinder and V6 engines and powertrain parts. The plant has an annual capacity of 500,000 vehicles and 500,000 engines.


Bodine Aluminum, Inc.
Manufacturing plants in St. Louis and Troy, Missouri and Jackson, Tennessee. Established in 1912 and purchased by Toyota in 1990.

The St. Louis plant manufactures engine brackets and carrier covers. The Troy plant manufactures cylinder heads, cylinder blocks, intake manifolds, and engine brackets. In late 2005, Bodine will begin production of aluminum engine blocks at its third plant in Jackson, Tennessee.


Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Indiana, Inc.
Manufacturing plant in Princeton, Indiana. Established 1996.

TMMI produces the Tundra full-size pickup, the Sequoia full-size sport utility vehicle and the Sienna minivan, with a total annual capacity of 300,000 units.


Toyota Motor Manufacturing, West Virginia, Inc.
Manufacturing plant in Buffalo, West Virginia. Established 1996.

TMMWV manufactures 4-cylinder engines for the Corolla, Matrix and Pontiac Vibe; V6 engines for the Sienna and Lexus RX 330; and five-speed transmissions for the Camry, Sienna and RX 330. TMMWV has an annual capacity to build more than 550,000 engines and 360,000 automatic transmissions. TMMWV will begin producing automatic transmission gears in 2006.


Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Alabama, Inc.
Manufacturing plant in Huntsville, Alabama. Established in 2001.

TMMAL manufactures V8 engines for the Tundra. The plant has an annual capacity of 120,000 engines. It is the first Toyota plant outside of Japan to build a V8 engine. In 2005, TMMAL will begin production of V6 engines for the Tacoma and Tundra, with an additional capacity of 130,000 engines. In 2006, the plant will increase capacity of V8 engines by another 150,000, bringing total capacity to 400,000 units.


Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Texas, Inc.
Manufacturing plant in San Antonio, Texas. Established in 2003.

In fall of 2006, TMMTX will begin production of the Tundra full-size pickup. The plant’s annual capacity will be 150,000 trucks.

Toyota Racing Development, U.S.A., Inc.
Headquartered in Costa Mesa, California. Established in 1979.

TRD, a division of TMS, designs, develops and assembles engines to support Toyota’s racing programs, and coordinates the development and sale of high-performance aftermarket parts for Toyota cars and trucks.


Toyota InfoTechnology Center, U.S.A., Inc.
Headquartered in Palo Alto, California. Branch office in New York. Established 2001.

ITC researches, evaluates and develops new information technologies, devices and software.

 

[needtogetaas]

So you're a traitor then?

most of all my cars have bin honda,neson,toyota, i had one ford explore sport and now I allso have a ford s.h.o for dependabilty you cant beet forin.
but amerca is still #1 when it comes to trucks and suv's.foren aouto makers might make a good truck that will last a long time but thats only if youre just going to drive it.if you want I working truck for plowing toeing and things like that you can bet foren aoto makers will never make one like amerca can.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

First we took the this land from then Indians through war and violence. Now the Japanese seem to be taking it from us through capitalism. The problem could be we have too many crack addicts and slacker kids on the lines putting the parts on cars. Anyone ever been through Flint? Detroit speaks for itself too. If we want to build better cars we have to start deeper than the auto industry. Hell maybe it doesn't matter who's on top, we'll see.

 

[2dagym]

I don't know about the quality of F150, but it is the #1 selling vehicle in USA. http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/s...g-vehicles-in-us-rise-year-to-year-128859.php Them southern hicks must love their trucks cause Chevy Silverado is also #2. But Japan's focus wasn't on the Truck market until recently and plans a full assault.

Ford Trucks Rule! End of Story

 

[Razorguns]

Yeah but the ford dies after 100k. They don't talk about that do they?

 

[2dagym]

Yeah but the ford dies after 100k. They don't talk about that do they?

Oh man, you serious?! I've had 3 f150's but never had them past 100K

 

[fistfullofsteel]

Oh man, you serious?! I've had 3 f150's but never had them past 100K

that's where the japanese will win out. their vehicles go 250k miles and then some with not alot of problems. even a korean's hyundai is emphazing the importance of reliability and quality.

 

[2dagym]

that's where the japanese will win out. their vehicles go 250k miles and then some with not alot of problems. even a korean's hyundai is emphazing the importance of reliability and quality.

I know these foreign cars run forever. Had a toyota corolla years ago that the body totally rusted out on before the engine died! It had over 250K. Oh well, I still love my Ford truck.

 

[madbomber31]

First we took the this land from then Indians through war and violence. Now the Japanese seem to be taking it from us through capitalism. The problem could be we have too many crack addicts and slacker kids on the lines putting the parts on cars. Anyone ever been through Flint? Detroit speaks for itself too. If we want to build better cars we have to start deeper than the auto industry. Hell maybe it doesn't matter who's on top, we'll see.

the cars with issues are the ones outsourced to korea, mexico, and china...

REAL american made cars are very good, but pricey.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

the cars with issues are the ones outsourced to korea, mexico, and china...

REAL american made cars are very good, but pricey.

i rather have a car made in korea or china than america.

 

[megamania500]

Myself, I'm going to shop around for a car come the end of the month. I'll be looking for something 4-door with extra's and roomy, and hopefully a sunroof. I'm pretty sure I'll go American.

 

[Razorguns]

Myself, I'm going to shop around for a car come the end of the month. I'll be looking for something 4-door with extra's and roomy, and hopefully a sunroof. I'm pretty sure I'll go American.

enjoy your lousy resale value when it's at 80k

 

[foreigngirl]

the cars with issues are the ones outsourced to korea, mexico, and china...

REAL american made cars are very good, but pricey.

I think I agree with you.

I think that even the Jettas sold on american market are made in Mexico, arent they?

 

[megamania500]

enjoy your lousy resale value when it's at 80k

Who said anything about reselling it? I'm going to use it in a demolition derby and I'll like a sunroof for being able to get out easily if it starts on fire.

Actually, resale value is pretty far down on my list of things to consider when it comes to buying a car.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

I think I agree with you.

I think that even the Jettas sold on american market are made in Mexico, arent they?

yes they are, even if they are made in deutschland, they are pieces of shit when it comes to quality and longevity.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

Who said anything about reselling it? I'm going to use it in a demolition derby and I'll like a sunroof for being able to get out easily if it starts on fire.

Actually, resale value is pretty far down on my list of things to consider when it comes to buying a car.

please tell us daddy warbucks what is important on your list when it comes to buying cars