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MASTERDUTCH
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not a chance - no way no how- condom breaks, slippage, anything.....
Would You Have Sex With Someone Using A Condom Knowing They Had Hiv?
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MASTERDUTCH
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not to degrade anyone who has HIV -but If i know someone has the flu or a cold I do not go over their house until they feel better.
superdave said:
completely understand your point bro, but that is like standing on a high dive of a pool 10m high and being blindfolded and told to jump and you don't know if it is filled with water or not (Positive or neg HIV) and then having the blind fold off and see that there is no water (Positive for HIV) and still jumping.
nokaoibeachgirl
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You do realize most colds and flus are more infectious than HIV right?
vsamaniego
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I've posted on this thread before, and with a few enlighten people on here, I'm still horrified at the responces. Folks, with the attuide you have, you're only going to have more people lie to you because they can't stand the discrimination any more.
I do have something new to add to this thread though and it's call "sero-sorting". Never heard of it??? Well now just like the non-infected will only have sex with each other (Remember - you're driving more and more people to lie about their status), but now HIV positive people are taking THE SAME ATTUIDE and will ONLY have sex with other HIV+ people. When this situation was finally realised by the statistics people who put out the MMWR, they found that at least in the Gay population this is actually working to reduce the number of initial infections at least in America. While the number of Gay men with HIV were not progreassing to AIDS, the numbers of initial infections stayed about even - until about two or three years ago when sero-sorting was taking place, and the numbers of new infections of Gay men in the U. S. are FINALLY decreasing! A lot more goes into this such as negotiations about how sex is praticed before you get into the bedroom, but as draconion as it may sound - it IS working.
This, however is not a blank check for not using safer sex. There are new non-HIV STD's growing in Europe and will sooner or later wash up upon our shores that are so bad you will WISH you were infected with HIV instead of these new STD's. The Netherlands seems to be ground zero for these new infections and it's killing and disfiguring ALL groups of people at a speed 10-15 TIMES the speed of HIV.
Hmmm...Again, I've probally said too much, but it's my job here on this site to give you the best, up to date information I can, but I might have confused more people here that enlightened, so I will try to clarify my remarks when I react to future postings on this thread.
More hate mail <sigh>. Peace, freedom and truth to all of you, Alan Chiras.
I do have something new to add to this thread though and it's call "sero-sorting". Never heard of it??? Well now just like the non-infected will only have sex with each other (Remember - you're driving more and more people to lie about their status), but now HIV positive people are taking THE SAME ATTUIDE and will ONLY have sex with other HIV+ people. When this situation was finally realised by the statistics people who put out the MMWR, they found that at least in the Gay population this is actually working to reduce the number of initial infections at least in America. While the number of Gay men with HIV were not progreassing to AIDS, the numbers of initial infections stayed about even - until about two or three years ago when sero-sorting was taking place, and the numbers of new infections of Gay men in the U. S. are FINALLY decreasing! A lot more goes into this such as negotiations about how sex is praticed before you get into the bedroom, but as draconion as it may sound - it IS working.
This, however is not a blank check for not using safer sex. There are new non-HIV STD's growing in Europe and will sooner or later wash up upon our shores that are so bad you will WISH you were infected with HIV instead of these new STD's. The Netherlands seems to be ground zero for these new infections and it's killing and disfiguring ALL groups of people at a speed 10-15 TIMES the speed of HIV.
Hmmm...Again, I've probally said too much, but it's my job here on this site to give you the best, up to date information I can, but I might have confused more people here that enlightened, so I will try to clarify my remarks when I react to future postings on this thread.
More hate mail <sigh>. Peace, freedom and truth to all of you, Alan Chiras.
alanchiras said:
Thanks for your post, Alan. You're right, sero-sorting has been helping. That's why it's so important that we work to tear down the stigma of this disease and encourage EVERYONE (straight or gay) to be tested.
That's why it pushes my buttons so much when someone comes into one of these threads and tries to blame all people for the disease through misguided application of religious views. That only makes the stigma worse and makes it impossible to implement things such as sero-sorting.
Interestingly, I've also been reading reports showing that our initial fears of re-infection have gone largely unrealized. Apparently when HIV+ people are engaged in sexual behavior with other HIV+, the chances of re-infection, even with disease resistant strains of the virus is almost nil. Of those who have been infected 2 years or more, there has NEVER been a recorded case of reinfection. Mind you, I am NOT advocating unprotected sex since you're right, there any many other STD's out there. But, at least it's nice to know that if an accident occurs, the likelihood of HIV re-infection is pretty much non-existant.
Keep up the good work.
Hi NYBB. Again, you are almost 100% correct in your views, but since I know Dr Bruce Walker of Harvard University (and thru Beth Isreal Deaconess) I can clarify the multiple infections information.
Over the past five or so years, Dr. Walker has tried very hard to make the case for multiple types of HIV in a single host (person) as a way of trying to scare many people including Gay HIV+ men from not barebacking with one another. And what has been the result? After all these years, and about $20 MILLION DOLLARS spent trying to find HIV+ people with multiple, yes indeed he found some - About 20 worldwide!!! Sorry Dr. Walker; good idea, but fails. It seems that the first infection of a human host in well over 99+% of people infected with HIV-1 is that the initinal infection seems to work as a set point so that the VAST majority of people with HIV/AIDS do NOT become co-infected no matter how much and many different strains of HIV they get from multiple sex partners. As crazy as it sounds, if you are doomed to become infected with HIV, you will be much better off if that initial infection is with"wild type" HIV as opoosed to HIV that already has mutated and has already taken on resistance to anti-retrovirals. Amoung Gay men already infected and who pratice sero-sorting, but also bareback and take loads of cum into them, there is a micro-scopic chance of reinfection. This MAY not be the case with HIV-2, but that has not been researched as of yet.
I think I may be way over the heads of many in here now, so I'm going to stop now, but there is much more to this story. Thanks for you supportive words and reason - it helps in here to do my job. Yours, Alan Chiras.
Over the past five or so years, Dr. Walker has tried very hard to make the case for multiple types of HIV in a single host (person) as a way of trying to scare many people including Gay HIV+ men from not barebacking with one another. And what has been the result? After all these years, and about $20 MILLION DOLLARS spent trying to find HIV+ people with multiple, yes indeed he found some - About 20 worldwide!!! Sorry Dr. Walker; good idea, but fails. It seems that the first infection of a human host in well over 99+% of people infected with HIV-1 is that the initinal infection seems to work as a set point so that the VAST majority of people with HIV/AIDS do NOT become co-infected no matter how much and many different strains of HIV they get from multiple sex partners. As crazy as it sounds, if you are doomed to become infected with HIV, you will be much better off if that initial infection is with"wild type" HIV as opoosed to HIV that already has mutated and has already taken on resistance to anti-retrovirals. Amoung Gay men already infected and who pratice sero-sorting, but also bareback and take loads of cum into them, there is a micro-scopic chance of reinfection. This MAY not be the case with HIV-2, but that has not been researched as of yet.
I think I may be way over the heads of many in here now, so I'm going to stop now, but there is much more to this story. Thanks for you supportive words and reason - it helps in here to do my job. Yours, Alan Chiras.
