Winter Cycle. The Big Mass One

[HarryHarry]

Ok so every year I set my self a goal for the year. My Goal for this year is 182 at 6% or under. I usualy start a cycle with a huge mass cycle to get close to my wanted weight/size and then lean it out during the year.

Age: 26 working out for roughly 11 years.
Height: 5' 6
Current Weight: 168 - 175
BF% 10 approx

The Cycle starting 1st December:

Week 1-4 Dbol 20mg / day
Week 1-13 Test 400 @ 400mg / week
Week 1-12 Deca @ 600mg / week
Week 8-12 Beastrol @ 30mg / day

The PCT

Week 1-14 HCG 250 ius
Week 1-12 Arimidex 0.50 / E3D

Week 14-18 Clomid 100mg ED
Week 14-18 Unleashed & Post Cycle
Week 14-22 Bridge & Gear

The plan is to hit above 190-195lbs as I know I will lose alot of water. Hopefully maintain in the 180-185 range and then simply lean it out over the course of the year.

What do you guys think.

HarryHarry

 

[Nelson Montana]

If you're gonna do dbol and deca keep an anti e on hand.

Also, adding N2GUARD will help with bloat. That's mandatory.

If you're looking for size, consider BIG BLAST and Better Bars. They will help you gain, no doubt.

Personally, I'd switch the dosages of the test and deca.

 

[HarryHarry]

Wanted to run N2Guard and coundt get it for while due to stocks. Will order it for this cycle if I can get it in time.
Il be running arimidex to help with bloat.
And the reason I will be running the test lower than dec is because I still consider myself a prett young guy my natuaral test levels are good at the moment and if they look like they are taking too big a hit during the cycle il up the dose of test to 600mg starting week 6.
Tnx Nelson

I would run Big Blast and better bars because Iv heard great things about both. I currently get free PHD Protein Flapjacks so no need for the better bars. The Big Blast I would run if shipping and pricing to the UK was a little better. Currently running, and will continue onto cycle, Optimum Nutrition Serious Mass @ 1250 calories a day.

Harry

 

[UA_Iron]

Your natural test production will be hurt regardless... Deca will shut it down more than test will for sure. You're running HCG as a precaution which is good, keep the balls plump.

I dont like running so much HCG, again I'll state that its the only thing that made my nipples feel like they're growing.

I'd run beastdrol weeks 10-14. Might as well since it has a short half life. Will be able to avoid the slippery slope into catabolism.

Unleashed and post cycle have worked really well for me in the past

 

[HarryHarry]

Dont have much experience with beastdrol so not sure about running it into the 14th week but if it has a good half life possibly run it to the 13th week aslong with the test.

Harry

 

[UA_Iron]

probably should be starting PCT at week 15 though too. Enanthate esters take a while to clear.

 

[HarryHarry]

The Test 400 I will be running is a mix of:

Test E 150mgs
Test C 150mgs
Test P 100mgs

Still recommend such a wait before PCT as I thought a week or roughly 9 days to be exact Would sufice?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Wanted to run N2Guard and coundt get it for while due to stocks. Will order it for this cycle if I can get it in time.
Il be running arimidex to help with bloat.
And the reason I will be running the test lower than dec is because I still consider myself a prett young guy my natuaral test levels are good at the moment and if they look like they are taking too big a hit during the cycle il up the dose of test to 600mg starting week 6.
Tnx Nelson

I would run Big Blast and better bars because Iv heard great things about both. I currently get free PHD Protein Flapjacks so no need for the better bars. The Big Blast I would run if shipping and pricing to the UK was a little better. Currently running, and will continue onto cycle, Optimum Nutrition Serious Mass @ 1250 calories a day.

Harry

As UA said, deca's worse. If you want a quicker recovery, shorten the cycle and use Primo instead of deca.

 

[HarryHarry]

Man you love primo Nelson lol.

Wish I could run primo aswell but deciding to run primo later in the year and cant afford to do both sorry .

Harry

 

[HarryHarry]

Would consider running the deca at 300mgs but would be keeping the test 400 at the same 400mgs / week. Not a fan of any test above 500mgs tbh. Overkill for my size and height. If your hitting the 200lbs mark maybe, but nothing above 500mgs for me for now

 

[HarryHarry]

lol bro u wouldnt run more then 400mg test? but ud run 600mg deca?

no offence man but thats pretty dumb

u dont seriosuly think running 600mg deca is safer then 400mg of test?

not trying to be harsh

why dont u run ur test at 500 and ur deca at 300mg then

I sayd id run 500mg test no higher. Yeah unsure of the deca dosa but I think the 600mg would be fine. Not dumb everyone has a prefrence. The 600mg deca was something I just looked at trying. Hence why im here looking for suggestions and hence why I sayed I would consider lowering its dose .

Harry

 

[zedhed]

If you havent got your stuff yet you might consider NPP in place of the Deca. Not quite as bad on the sides and clears your system much more quickly. Also you might want to give cgar 1228 a pm on this. He had a not so good experience with deca and he learned a lot as far as pct goes.
And last thing, remember that it takes a long long time to clear the deca from your system, and you need lots of carbs with it too.
Best of luck to you bro!

 

[C.K.]

lol bro u wouldnt run more then 400mg test? but ud run 600mg deca?

no offence man but thats pretty dumb

u dont seriosuly think running 600mg deca is safer then 400mg of test?

not trying to be harsh

why dont u run ur test at 500 and ur deca at 300mg then

Yepp agreed 100% with thatbloke

What kinda flawed logic is behind that?

 

[HarryHarry]

Not flawed logic as it was never certain. Hence why its up for discussion and suggestions . The deca dose may be high but like I sayed it was just something I was thinking of trying. The test dose to keep me stable nothing more. The deca so high to see its effects. I take ThatBlokes comments into consideration and hes probably correct and I will relook my cycle. Thats the whole point in this thread and in general this forum.

Thanks ZedHed. Will do.

Harry

 

[C0LUMB0]

Good luck with the cycle Harry , its great to see someone keeping an open mind and re-jigging things as per the genuine advice being offered.
Alot of people post up there proposed run and get defensive as fuck when folks start chiming in with sugestions.

My 2 cents would be to run the test @500mg and deca @ 300mg.
and props to Nelson and thatbloke for offering good advice ...

 

[HarryHarry]

Thanks columbo!
I rant and rave about people who ask for advice and get defencive and reject it so I try my best to take into consideration everything posted when I ask for comments if I didnt want feedback hey I woudnt have posted lol. Nice to see everyone elses different opinions.

After reading the comments I have seen sence and went with the lower 300mg Deca option. Think I will keep the test dose 400mg for now and possibly relook the situation a few weeks in depending on how I feel.
Thanks guys.

Harry

 

[HarryHarry]

Updated cycle. After reading comments my new doeses are as stated.

Week 1 - 13 Test 400 @ 400mg / week
Week 1 - 12 Deca @ 300mg / week
Week 1 - 4 DBol @ 20mg / day
Week 9 - 12 Beastdrol @ 30mg / day

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Week 1-14 hcg 250 ius
Week 1-12 Arimidex 0.50 / E3D
Week 1-12 N2Guard

Week 14-18 Clomid 100mg ED
Week 14-18 Unleashed & Post Cycle
Week 14-22 Bridge & Gear


Only thing Im considering now is an extended PCT. Everyone knows how hard deca is to recover from. Just wondering what the suggestions are for an extra 8 weeks PCT. What would you use? Im think of just adding and extra 8 weeks of Unleashed to help with my natural test levels.

Harry

 

[UA_Iron]

Are you planning on competing?

This is certainly something most of you shouldnt do...
But I'd throw 800mg+ masteron e/week on top of everything - it will do what winny does to deca minus the joint pain. Avoid the anti-e's as much as possible. Hit the anti-e's very hard at week 5, run a course of HCG then and then hit it hard again at the end.

Your diet will dictate how much water you retain