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Winstrol and Dianabol

BigCracker said:
Yeah, but it doesn't consist of the infamous oral only retard cycle. Read the stickies newbie.
I understand that you may be a veteran in this game however, you must realise that some people regardless of personal opinions of others are going to do orals only. People have their reasons. Aka detection times...Although I have been reading over this forum for a number of years, with all the information provided from fellow brothers I too am still considering an oral only stack.
As well as pointing the 'newbies' in the right direction, also try to answer their questions too :artist:
 
rsoschmidt said:
Well thats all I have. Why not just oral only?

Bro, if this is the kind of 411 you're looking for you need to do some research on your own. This board has a lot of good info-but it caters more to the advanced AS user that bare minimum knows that oral only cycles suck. Not only are orals 2x as toxic to the liver than injectables, you'll lose the gains you get as quickly as you got them. Spend some time reading and researching this subject of AS use. Your diet and training better be on point as well. In fact, unless you have at least 3 yrs in the gym naturally, roids are definitely not the way to go. Make gains naturally through proper training and diet. Then when you plateau after a few yrs, use roids to get you past it. Of course, not everyone listens to the advice we give out here.
 
BigCracker said:
Bro, if this is the kind of 411 you're looking for you need to do some research on your own. This board has a lot of good info-but it caters more to the advanced AS user that bare minimum knows that oral only cycles suck. Not only are orals 2x as toxic to the liver than injectables, you'll lose the gains you get as quickly as you got them. Spend some time reading and researching this subject of AS use. Your diet and training better be on point as well. In fact, unless you have at least 3 yrs in the gym naturally, roids are definitely not the way to go. Make gains naturally through proper training and diet. Then when you plateau after a few yrs, use roids to get you past it. Of course, not everyone listens to the advice we give out here.

great points B.C. (as always)

I've always considered all orals to be more of an added "supplement" to a well-based cycle.
 
Honestly... I have a great diet... i have been working out for years... and just wanted to try my first cycle... without needles. I have been to many differnt websites posting there ideas for Dianabol and Windstrol tab stacking.

I just wanted some advice before i started the cycle.
 
Wax-on said:
I understand that you may be a veteran in this game however, you must realise that some people regardless of personal opinions of others are going to do orals only. People have their reasons. Aka detection times...Although I have been reading over this forum for a number of years, with all the information provided from fellow brothers I too am still considering an oral only stack.
As well as pointing the 'newbies' in the right direction, also try to answer their questions too :artist:

I hear you-but if detection times were an issue I'm sure he'd have rephrased his question. Sure, some athletes may do well on an oral only cycle that caters to their individual needs-but not for the majority of AS users-especially newbs. I still can't see why some avg AS user would want to do an oral only cycle unless they were scared of needles(or scared of their parents/wife/gf finding them). 9 out of 10 times someone wants to do orals only is for this reason-so generally I approach each oral only thread in a negative way. Obviously the guys scared of needles are uninformed and probably should do some more research before getting involved in the chemical enhancement game. And obviously guys that live under the roof of someone that's gonna freak out over AS use are asking for trouble too, but that's just my 2 cc's.

And pointing the newbies to the stickies is about the best direction I can give them without telling them to google AS and read for 6 months.
 
rsoschmidt said:
I just wanted some advice before i started the cycle.

OK - don't do ANY cycles until you get over your fear of needles.

That stck you have is a "joke" and you will be worse off AFTER your cycle than before.

You'll probably STILL go ahead with this cycle, so when you CRASH after the cycle, and lose about 98% of your gains,..................don't come crying here, cause you got some SOUND advice from some good people.
 
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