Winstrol and Dianabol

[BigCracker]

OK - don't do ANY cycles until you get over your fear of needles.

That stck you have is a "joke" and you will be worse off AFTER your cycle than before.

You'll probably STILL go ahead with this cycle, so when you CRASH after the cycle, and lose about 98% of your gains,..................don't come crying here, cause you got some SOUND advice from some good people.

Even that's a conservative estimate. Without PCT he could wind up actually looking worse than when he started after being off 6 wks.

 

[rsoschmidt]

Soooo.... your against tabs huh? I can tell... and I will take your advice. I am a "Newb" when it comes to Steriods... and wanted to take it slow to start with. Injection seems the way to go... next time. I guess I will just use the dose i mentioned above.

 

[a creed]

Even that's a conservative estimate. Without PCT he could wind up actually looking worse than when he started after being off 6 wks.

Ya, I know - but I was trying to be nice.................LOL

I don't know why I even bother............

 

[dawg4life]

Got this off bb.com hope it helps some

All Oral Cycle

Week Dianabol Winstrol/Stromba Anavar HCG & Nolva
1 30-40 mg/day
2 30-40 mg/day
3 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day
4 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day 5000 IU/week HCG
5 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day 5000 IU/week HCG
6 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day 30-40 mg/day 5000 IU/week HCG
7 25-50 mg every day 30-40 mg/day 5000 IU/week HCG
8 25-50 mg every day 30-40 mg/day
9 40 mg/day Nolva
10 20 mg/day Nolva
11 20 mg/day Nolva


I'm a member at several online steroid boards and you always hear the vets say: "Don't use only orals, your gains won't last". Here's a newsflash: the roids you take orally are no different from the ones you inject. Naturally I need to add here that you will get better gains with injectables. The half-life is longer, they can be used longer because they aren't so toxic, they can be used in higher doses and the effects stay for a while after a cycle (which could account for the belief that gains on orals disappear). But I'd like to know where the belief that an oral only stack can't offer good gains originated? A lot of bodybuilders in the 60's and 70's were basically living off dianabol. The key to keeping gains on any stack is facilitating the return of natural test after a stack and keeping calories high in your diet no matter what.

The problem of an oral only stack is that its limited in time. 6-8 weeks at best. Meaning multiple stacks are needed where less stacks would be needed with injectables. An oral only stack is hard to set up because you have no real base compounds either. This is one I sweated out after much thinking for all you wimps that can't take a needle. Because anavar and winny block the aromatisation off d-bol, there isn't much post-cycle estrogen so the use of clomid/Nolva afterwards is limited but still advised. It should be started immediately after the cycle is over. With lon-acting injectables one can usually wait 1.5 to 2 weeks after last shot to start post-cycle therapy and then still there is a certain level of androgens in the body. With the orals, most of the androgen will be cleared in 1-2 days tops. So Clomid/Nolva therapy needs to start immediately. Here it is illustrated with 40 and 20 mg of Nolva, but could easily be run with 150 and 100 mg of clomid respectively. This was a good stack to demonstrate the use of HCG (which is injectable. Oh the irony). At least one of the uses. HCG keeps the size of your nuts up even after HPTA is shut down by your roids. That facilitates post-cycle recovery. Since HCG itself can cause negative feedback it needs to be discontinued the week before you come off or it will do the opposite of what it is intended to do. NEVER run HCG longer than Nolva or clomid. One should take a long break off any type of 17-alpha-alkylated steroids after this cycle as the liver will have taken a severe beating. That's the downside of being scared of needles.

 

[a creed]

Got this off bb.com hope it helps some

All Oral Cycle

Week Dianabol Winstrol/Stromba Anavar HCG & Nolva
1 30-40 mg/day
2 30-40 mg/day
3 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day
4 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day 5000 IU/week HCG
5 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day 5000 IU/week HCG
6 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day 30-40 mg/day 5000 IU/week HCG
7 25-50 mg every day 30-40 mg/day 5000 IU/week HCG
8 25-50 mg every day 30-40 mg/day
9 40 mg/day Nolva
10 20 mg/day Nolva
11 20 mg/day Nolva


I'm a member at several online steroid boards and you always hear the vets say: "Don't use only orals, your gains won't last". Here's a newsflash: the roids you take orally are no different from the ones you inject. Naturally I need to add here that you will get better gains with injectables. The half-life is longer, they can be used longer because they aren't so toxic, they can be used in higher doses and the effects stay for a while after a cycle (which could account for the belief that gains on orals disappear). But I'd like to know where the belief that an oral only stack can't offer good gains originated? A lot of bodybuilders in the 60's and 70's were basically living off dianabol. The key to keeping gains on any stack is facilitating the return of natural test after a stack and keeping calories high in your diet no matter what.

The problem of an oral only stack is that its limited in time. 6-8 weeks at best. Meaning multiple stacks are needed where less stacks would be needed with injectables. An oral only stack is hard to set up because you have no real base compounds either. This is one I sweated out after much thinking for all you wimps that can't take a needle. Because anavar and winny block the aromatisation off d-bol, there isn't much post-cycle estrogen so the use of clomid/Nolva afterwards is limited but still advised. It should be started immediately after the cycle is over. With lon-acting injectables one can usually wait 1.5 to 2 weeks after last shot to start post-cycle therapy and then still there is a certain level of androgens in the body. With the orals, most of the androgen will be cleared in 1-2 days tops. So Clomid/Nolva therapy needs to start immediately. Here it is illustrated with 40 and 20 mg of Nolva, but could easily be run with 150 and 100 mg of clomid respectively. This was a good stack to demonstrate the use of HCG (which is injectable. Oh the irony). At least one of the uses. HCG keeps the size of your nuts up even after HPTA is shut down by your roids. That facilitates post-cycle recovery. Since HCG itself can cause negative feedback it needs to be discontinued the week before you come off or it will do the opposite of what it is intended to do. NEVER run HCG longer than Nolva or clomid. One should take a long break off any type of 17-alpha-alkylated steroids after this cycle as the liver will have taken a severe beating. That's the downside of being scared of needles.

decent info, but he's AFRAID OF NEEDLES so there WON'T be any HCG for him...............

I still think he's better off NOT doing a cycle............(I'm basing this on experiences I've viewed with my own eyes, so please excuse me if I don't buy into much of what you wrote.

IMHO - Oral-Only cycles are nothing short of "Bush League"

 

[dawg4life]

I agree 100% I have used them as a kick start but never alone..I dont take any credit for any of the previous post except for the first line..all the rest is cut and pasted..

 

[a creed]

I agree 100% I have used them as a kick start but never alone..I dont take any credit for any of the previous post except for the first line..all the rest is cut and pasted..

I know, you are just trying to help like the rest of us............

It's alllll-gooood............

 

[BigCracker]

Got this off bb.com hope it helps some

All Oral Cycle

Week Dianabol Winstrol/Stromba Anavar HCG & Nolva
1 30-40 mg/day
2 30-40 mg/day
3 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day
4 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day 5000 IU/week HCG
5 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day 5000 IU/week HCG
6 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day 30-40 mg/day 5000 IU/week HCG
7 25-50 mg every day 30-40 mg/day 5000 IU/week HCG
8 25-50 mg every day 30-40 mg/day
9 40 mg/day Nolva
10 20 mg/day Nolva
11 20 mg/day Nolva


I'm a member at several online steroid boards and you always hear the vets say: "Don't use only orals, your gains won't last". Here's a newsflash: the roids you take orally are no different from the ones you inject. Naturally I need to add here that you will get better gains with injectables. The half-life is longer, they can be used longer because they aren't so toxic, they can be used in higher doses and the effects stay for a while after a cycle (which could account for the belief that gains on orals disappear). But I'd like to know where the belief that an oral only stack can't offer good gains originated? A lot of bodybuilders in the 60's and 70's were basically living off dianabol. The key to keeping gains on any stack is facilitating the return of natural test after a stack and keeping calories high in your diet no matter what.

The problem of an oral only stack is that its limited in time. 6-8 weeks at best. Meaning multiple stacks are needed where less stacks would be needed with injectables. An oral only stack is hard to set up because you have no real base compounds either. This is one I sweated out after much thinking for all you wimps that can't take a needle. Because anavar and winny block the aromatisation off d-bol, there isn't much post-cycle estrogen so the use of clomid/Nolva afterwards is limited but still advised. It should be started immediately after the cycle is over. With lon-acting injectables one can usually wait 1.5 to 2 weeks after last shot to start post-cycle therapy and then still there is a certain level of androgens in the body. With the orals, most of the androgen will be cleared in 1-2 days tops. So Clomid/Nolva therapy needs to start immediately. Here it is illustrated with 40 and 20 mg of Nolva, but could easily be run with 150 and 100 mg of clomid respectively. This was a good stack to demonstrate the use of HCG (which is injectable. Oh the irony). At least one of the uses. HCG keeps the size of your nuts up even after HPTA is shut down by your roids. That facilitates post-cycle recovery. Since HCG itself can cause negative feedback it needs to be discontinued the week before you come off or it will do the opposite of what it is intended to do. NEVER run HCG longer than Nolva or clomid. One should take a long break off any type of 17-alpha-alkylated steroids after this cycle as the liver will have taken a severe beating. That's the downside of being scared of needles.

Bro, great post. But seriously, if this guy's resources are limited to 2 orals-I highly doubt he's gonna be able to come up with ancilliaries for PCT. If scoring wasn't a problem he'd save the orals for another cycle and use injectable test only for a cycle now like we recommended. Your explanation above was spot on-but for newbies it's like trying to understand calculus when they haven't even studied prep math yet.

I give you an "A" for effort, but after you start getting carpal tunnel from typing so much shit that newbies ignore you're gonna be bummin. It's easier to flame them into the exile of internet AS research. Hopefully they'll gain some knowledge on their own so they can return to the board with their own educated opinions to contribute. Until then, they're taking up space by having others do their homework for them.

Keep in mind that I've been in this game since before the internet, and before there were any books published on the subject of AS. We had to rely on word of mouth advice from self proclaimed gurus that may or may not have known WTF they were talking about. So I have no pity for the guys here that aren't willing to do their own research online to find out the basics.

 

[rsoschmidt]

I know nothing about injectibles. Getting anything i want... is not the problem. So... I will be getting something to inject. I wont waist your time on asking what to get... ill research it on my own then.

I have learned alot about Dianabol... and how everyone used to LIVE on it in the 60's and 70's, and for the most part did not have any problems.

I wanted to take Windstrol to to keep off some of the "Fat" while using Dianabol. I was only going to do a "KICK START." cycle... while im off researching what to inject and how much.

Guess I should have mentioned that before. From all your post... it seems like my stack wont kill me... but that i wont keep the gains either... ok... i learned... thanks.

 

[a creed]

I wanted to take Windstrol to to keep off some of the "Fat" while using Dianabol. I was only going to do a "KICK START." cycle... while im off researching what to inject and how much.

Guess I should have mentioned that before. From all your post... it seems like my stack wont kill me... but that i wont keep the gains either... ok... i learned... thanks.

Before you go, - who are you kidding...........

There is NO SUCH THING as a "kickstart-cycle"

You can kickstart A cycle with an oral (1), but you don't take orals, then add an injectable later.................