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Winny gyno??

krishna

krishna

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I got gyno symptoms from winny. WTF? Macro explained some of it to me as to why. Anyone else ever have this happen to them? I didn't take my tab last night or this morning, and my nipples are already starting to feel much better. Looks like I'm adding winny to my list of "do not do's".
 
Possibly add me to the list, Macro just indicated that winny may be acting as an agonist for my cycle? I started taking letro about 2 weeks ago for gyno I feel/felt was test related. I stopped taking test about 2.5 weeks ago, but continued w/ moderate dose EQ and high dose winny (oral at 90 mg/day).

Gyno seemed to be oh so slightly improving over 2 weeks with letro, until today I had a massive flare-up, nips burning bad and swollen like they have never been. Again, macro thought it may be the winny that caused the flare-up........I don't really get it or understand the machanism how?

Here's the thread if interested Krishna http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500590
 
low test levels may be a culprit

anavar alone irratates my nips

your first run with winny?
 
there are several mechanisms (some of which are relevant to everyone like Igf and others that may be due to individual response like PgR activation/blocking)

1. IGF-1 direct increase- liver
2. IGF and other growth factors + insulin because of insulin sensitivity blunting
3. progesterone suppression (natural progesterone is actually an "anti-gyno" agent- this is a simplification of its actual role- but in the case of suppression- accurate)
4. Direct progestenic action- either agonistic or antagonistic resulting in unfavorable modulation of the ER (in the absence of DHT this may be more of an issue)
 
wow!
im gyno prone, but have never had any probs with winny. sorry to hear about that bro.
thanks for always helping everyone macro
 
zips92 said:
Possibly add me to the list, Macro just indicated that winny may be acting as an agonist for my cycle? I started taking letro about 2 weeks ago for gyno I feel/felt was test related. I stopped taking test about 2.5 weeks ago, but continued w/ moderate dose EQ and high dose winny (oral at 90 mg/day).

Gyno seemed to be oh so slightly improving over 2 weeks with letro, until today I had a massive flare-up, nips burning bad and swollen like they have never been. Again, macro thought it may be the winny that caused the flare-up........I don't really get it or understand the machanism how?

Here's the thread if interested Krishna http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500590
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Were you doing the 45mg ip tabs?

Macro? If I stop the winny, which I've done, do you think I'll have anymore problems with tren/eq? I may not even add the var til the end to give my liver a break.
 
I was using BD 10 mg tabs. Used winstrol before with no issues to speak of, primarily as a receptor competitor during trenbolone/nandrolone cycles.

I will update in a couple days my results from stopping the winny and continuing with letro/clomid.
 
krishna said:
I got gyno symptoms from winny. WTF? Macro explained some of it to me as to why. Anyone else ever have this happen to them? I didn't take my tab last night or this morning, and my nipples are already starting to feel much better. Looks like I'm adding winny to my list of "do not do's".
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Krishna, were you taking IP winstrol?

if so likely it wasn't winstrol
 
zips92 said:
Possibly add me to the list, Macro just indicated that winny may be acting as an agonist for my cycle? I started taking letro about 2 weeks ago for gyno I feel/felt was test related. I stopped taking test about 2.5 weeks ago, but continued w/ moderate dose EQ and high dose winny (oral at 90 mg/day).
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i have to think it's the stoppage of test, which means you are basically in a post-cycle mode (high estrogen), despite the EQ which isnt as anabolic or androgenic or strong....but still aromatizes.

i think it's strictly estrogen related.
 
thebrakes said:
i have to think it's the stoppage of test, which means you are basically in a post-cycle mode (high estrogen), despite the EQ which isnt as anabolic or androgenic or strong....but still aromatizes.

i think it's strictly estrogen related.
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He stopped the test because of the gyno.
 
thebrakes said:
i have to think it's the stoppage of test, which means you are basically in a post-cycle mode (high estrogen), despite the EQ which isnt as anabolic or androgenic or strong....but still aromatizes.

i think it's strictly estrogen related.
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he is using letro. so its highly unlikely that E is an issue at this point (though it may have been previously)
 
thebrakes said:
i have to think it's the stoppage of test, which means you are basically in a post-cycle mode (high estrogen), despite the EQ which isnt as anabolic or androgenic or strong....but still aromatizes.

i think it's strictly estrogen related.
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there is likely merit to what you are indicating in certain situations/cycles, however, I did stop taking the test because I felt that was what initiated my problems to begin with........

since I had what amounts to a relapse after using letro for 2 weeks, we are trying to ascertain what could be the culprit. I have stopped the winny and EQ. If I do or don't notice results after a 2 or 3 full days off winny, as macro noted, that could be one mechanism readily eliminated or verified if acting as an agonist.

I feel I can say with confidence, that I have not been gyno prone on previous cycles, especially nandrolone cycles. What is disconcerting, is I was taking high end dosage of aromasin and AIFM (worked good for me for previous pct recovery) at cycle onset to prevent estrogen related gyno (no SERM), and it reared its ugly head only after 2 weeks? Now its fully entrenched and out of control, after 4.5 weeks.

The mechanism I am curious about now but do not quite understand is the influence of IGF-1 and how to control?

I will add one thing that may not have come across in my previous posts, I was taking a large amount of gear probably for my bodyweight.......what amounted to 1.9 grams/week at 165 lbs, with nearly triple the test I have ever used before, and 100 mg/day oral winny. I have a lot of cycles under my belt, but could I have possibly overwhelmed my system not giving the AI a chance? I really don't know.

I sincerely hope this exeperience helps myself and others plan and recover from future cycles. Right now I have lost confidence, and am assuming the AG-Guys letro/femara is legit, but haven't had any joint issues. I have not taken any other prescription medicine in years.
 
krishna said:
Zips was taking bd and had the same problem.
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i wasn't trying to start any shit with that comment either, just wondering and pointing that out.

Now, i can tell you guys this, winny is not something i really care to run anymore either. Honesltly for some reason i feel as if i maybe retain some water on it, never any gyno symptoms and i am VERY prone to those. But winny is not the magical drug for me it is for everyone else
 
drrman said:
i wasn't trying to start any shit with that comment either, just wondering and pointing that out.

Now, i can tell you guys this, winny is not something i really care to run anymore either. Honesltly for some reason i feel as if i maybe retain some water on it, never any gyno symptoms and i am VERY prone to those. But winny is not the magical drug for me it is for everyone else
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In all fairness, I'm gonna look into having it tested. If it is not really winny, I'm not about misleading anybody. I advocate IP because I always get good results with his stuff, but if there was ever a time when something wasn't right about it, it would only be fair for me to let people know that too. I speak about his stuff from experience, and so far, it's been all good.
 
go ahead and get it tested, you will be refunded the costs you incurred
 
Hey macro, I quit the winny about 3 days ago, and have been taking letro for 3 days. I still have lumps and they are still tender. I think it's a little better than before, but I don't want to assume anything. What should I be doing and how long should I wait to see if it gets better?
 
be patient, it can work right away or take alittle while. i had a semi hard small lump from years of not using AI. nothing bad but it was a case of slight gyno. letro ate that shit up w/in a few weeks and left my pecs not puffy at all w/ lump GONE. it is strongest shit out, stay w/it. slowly increase till your at 2.25ED. use proviron too if u can. agguys?
 
Still a little tender and a little lump, but much improved. The AIFM seems to be working better than the letro which I don't understand because I thought letro was supposed to be the best. Maybe it's bunk? Anyway, tren/eq/bromo/prov kicks ass! I don't like orals anymore.
 
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