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Will we win the war on terror?
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Redshoteye
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Doubtful.
War on Terror is propaganda talk for "lets see if we can make Halliburtons stock go up to $100" ...its just not as easy to say that.
War on Terror is propaganda talk for "lets see if we can make Halliburtons stock go up to $100" ...its just not as easy to say that.
Redshoteye
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Wootoom said:
Yes crickets outnumber people 5-1 in Canada.
foreigngirl
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Cata1yst said:
I agree, its all about money
Redshoteye
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DJ_UFO said:
This is what you call blood money.
Is that the type of country we are? For every dollar Halliburton's stock went up I'd like to know how many soldiers got killed. Now I'd like to now how many more insurgents/terrorists there are now that want holy war against us as opposed to before this war... sadly, as the European bombings have reminded us, not a goddamn thing has changed. We aren't winning this war and sadly it'll probably cost another thousand lives before this administration realizes that.
foreigngirl
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Cata1yst said:
agreed again
foreigngirl
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biteme said:
lol, I might...I'm just not blind sighted. If they cought Sadam (which IMO they didnt need to go after him at the time), I beleive that they can get Osama. They choose not to cause of the big $ in the game and this is causing misery on us, the regular residents in USA, but makes money for the politicians
foreigngirl
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biteme said:
me too, I've been up too long. About to check out. I still dont know what movie you talking about
Redshoteye
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foreigngirl said:
Thank you, sidekick.
foreigngirl
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Cata1yst said:
we are outsiders
DJ_UFO
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Cata1yst said:
Well I guess this is capitalism...
In other words, Freedom is in direct relationship with money. Land, natural resources, business oportunities, international commerce, technology, health, clean environment = Freedom = Money. We don't die for a dollar. We die to preserve those rights mentioned before to future generations and therefore, preserve the stability and inmortality of the Empire. Although this Empire has to die some day, like everyone else has died, doesn't mean we have to wait for him to die. We have to do everything possible to maintain it, expand it and enjoy it. And that comes with some sacrifices. Freedom doesn't come free. But believe me, it worth the sacrifice.GoldenDelicious
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pffffffffft the "war on terror" is a smokescreen justification to attack other countries
to all the people now saying taht it cant be won, its propaganda etc etc...may i ask, in the past, did you:
think that saddam was behind 911?
think that saddam had WMDs?
think that saddam was about to use WMDs on the US?
think that it was unpatriotic to question the war?
think that it was unpatriotic to want more proof that saddam was a threat?
call anyone else unpatriotic for doing the above?
do you guys ever think to ask bush:
what happened to reconstructing afghanistan?
what happened to finding osama?
what happened to "dead or alive"?
what happened to making america safer?
what happened to the "axis of evil"?
what happened to those guys in guatanamo bay?
what happened to those people in abu ghraib?
i dont mean to pick a fight, im just pointing out all this stuff that everyone seems to have forgotten, even though they were somewhat important items at the time. doesnt any of this matter anymore?
whose fault is all this anyway? do you guys actually believe in holding people accountable for their mistakes? and waht if they did what they did knowingly...would you guys throw your president in jail? or your secretary of defense?
what do you guys think of the big picture. really?
to all the people now saying taht it cant be won, its propaganda etc etc...may i ask, in the past, did you:
think that saddam was behind 911?
think that saddam had WMDs?
think that saddam was about to use WMDs on the US?
think that it was unpatriotic to question the war?
think that it was unpatriotic to want more proof that saddam was a threat?
call anyone else unpatriotic for doing the above?
do you guys ever think to ask bush:
what happened to reconstructing afghanistan?
what happened to finding osama?
what happened to "dead or alive"?
what happened to making america safer?
what happened to the "axis of evil"?
what happened to those guys in guatanamo bay?
what happened to those people in abu ghraib?
i dont mean to pick a fight, im just pointing out all this stuff that everyone seems to have forgotten, even though they were somewhat important items at the time. doesnt any of this matter anymore?
whose fault is all this anyway? do you guys actually believe in holding people accountable for their mistakes? and waht if they did what they did knowingly...would you guys throw your president in jail? or your secretary of defense?
what do you guys think of the big picture. really?
DJ_UFO
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I asked myself that from the beginning.
Do you have any proof backing up whatever is the answer for this question?
Who said the finding is over?
We ARE hunting them dead or alive. Like rat hunting.
Last thing I heard, we haven't had any terrorist attack since 9/11. probably because America is safer
Still there, doing good but with his days counted.
Still there, tasting a little bit of their own treatment.
Name one single clean war. If you're innocent, throw the first stone.
Whatever we think, whatever we decide, is the way of thinking that has made this country big and bigger.
Redshoteye
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DJ_UFO said:Well I guess this is capitalism...
--Lets go over your response... you say money is the source of all thats good in our capitalist society. I completely agree. Unfortunately, that statement has absolutely nothing to do with the war in Iraq. In fact, its creating an even bigger problem (and deficit) for us. The administration is sending billions of dollars as we speak to Iraq that leaves our domestic problems unanswered (such as #1 health and healthcare #2 a clean environment #4 firm education programs, not the no child left behind act which has failed #5 domestic terrorism (our biggest killer/threat). So pretty much everything that you mentioned, correct? Well, this country and all of its resources of "freedom" have not been bettered by this war. And you, this country, or any individual including me, have no right to go into a foreign soil and rape them of THERE resources for our greed. When you say we need to do this to "preserve our freedom" your crying the same propaganda we've been hearing to get us into the war. However slowly but surely, the rest of the nation is starting to listen to their heads, and not their president.
We don't die for a dollar. We die to preserve those rights mentioned before to future generations and therefore, preserve the stability and inmortality of the Empire. Although this Empire has to die some day, like everyone else has died, doesn't mean we have to wait for him to die.
--The soldiers on the battlefield died for our rights and the safety of our country, this is true. This however doesn't mean the correct foreign policy initiative was taken place. Hate breeds hate, I hope you would agree. And there are more extremists than ever before because we're giving them more re-assurance to hate, correct? We after all, have invaded an Arab country (with no ties to 9/11), and the first order of conduct was to secure oil fields... how does securing an oil field help battle terrorism and help the state of our country? What we're doing is using terrorism to "battle terrorism."
We have to do everything possible to maintain it, expand it and enjoy it. And that comes with some sacrifices. Freedom doesn't come free. But believe me, it worth the sacrifice.
--You sound like a patriot, and thats fine. I'm very nationalistic as well but I tend to use my head and not my heart. Our freedom wasn't endangered by Iraq, yes our ideals and Saddams were vastly different, but he never fired a missile at our surface and was actually quite passive up to our time of "shock and awe." If we wanted Osama by now we could have him. We found Saddam in a spiderhole the size of a portopotty so don't tell me it cant be done. What you should look at is the FACTS: no weapons of mass destruction, no ties to 9/11, 2000 dead soldiers, one rich corporation. It's time for a reality check young buck.
Your statements are strong, but they're better suited on a bumpersticker than in an argument. Read above.
Subzeero
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DJ_UFO said:I asked myself that from the beginning.
Do you have any proof backing up whatever is the answer for this question?
Who said the finding is over?
We ARE hunting them dead or alive. Like rat hunting.
Last thing I heard, we haven't had any terrorist attack since 9/11. probably because America is safer
Still there, doing good but with his days counted.
Still there, tasting a little bit of their own treatment.
Name one single clean war. If you're innocent, throw the first stone.
Whatever we think, whatever we decide, is the way of thinking that has made this country big and bigger.
I pity this fool. And i am not worried but confident of higher rightous intellect setting things right.
GoldenDelicious
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anybody got a peanut?
i love that movie, i think i have it somewhere...
djufo: ill reply to you later. right now, im going to see Land of the Dead. i hear its full of braindead, drooling zombies, so i guess ill know what its like to be invited to one of your family reunions. jsut for you, ill name the first one after you, and the prettiest one djufoette
cu
i love that movie, i think i have it somewhere...
djufo: ill reply to you later. right now, im going to see Land of the Dead. i hear its full of braindead, drooling zombies, so i guess ill know what its like to be invited to one of your family reunions. jsut for you, ill name the first one after you, and the prettiest one djufoette
cu
DJ_UFO
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Cata1yst said:
I agree 100% with you, IF we only speak about Iraq. I was refering to the whole system. Now Iraq, the project, the idea, was perfect at the beginning. Unfortunately, some things went wrong. Nobody thought about this insurgency after the fall of Baghdad (that has been the main cause of our delay over there and the main cause of our fallen soldiers). Just imagine an invasion to Iraq, removing Saddam, everybody is quiet, new governemnt, money for reconstruction, game over. President Bush would be the king of the kings. Iraq was and always has been a strategic place. With a perfect war, probably nobody now would remember Iraq. And everybody would think "ok, there were no WMD but the world is better without Saddam". Instead, now the war is everyday present in our lives and people think "ok, there were no WMD, the world is better without Saddam but it worth the money and the lives taken??". That's why the main goal now is prepare Iraq for selfdefense, and leave. ASAP. The main reasons for war in Iraq were political and economic. These events in the last 2 years make this war at some degree worthless. We'll have to wait about a decade to see the real results of this war.
goldenindian: reply as soon as you feel your balls ready (I know that takes a long long time for ya). In the meantime I'm watching "Greystoke, Tarzan, king of the monkeys"
Mr. dB said:
Tis not a quagmire. We spent almost a decade occupying Japan after WWII, a lot of resistance, and they turned out just dandy.
I would be interested to see someone explain exactly how Iraq is a "quagmire" without resorting to the following weak "arguments:"
- soldiers are dying
and
- we have no exit strategy.
Redshoteye
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75th said:
Soldiers are dying is a weak argument?... put on some kevlar buddy, hit the trenches, watch your friends die in front you, then tell me its a weak argument.
WWI and II had a novel thick of reconstruction tactics, exit strategies and most operations were carefully planned out. If the preparation of Iraq's postwar were anything like those commander and chief wouldn't have claimed victory before all this insurgency, and we wouldn't look like chickens with our heads cut off right now.
But since you claim these are all weak arguments (and why might I ask?) I'll give you another. We're shipping $5 billion dollars to Iraq each month, and if your unaware thats more than we put towards cancer research for an entire year. Now, to fully stabilize the insurgency, most, if not all analysts believe we will have to be there long term (10+ years). Are we prepared to spend that type of money for a mislead war? Well, finally people are catching on and saying "no, this is turning into Vietnam all over again." If you'll do the math this will amount to $600 billion dollars on top of what we've already "invested."
It's time this country gets it priorities straight and put forth spending towards our growing domestic problems.
Redshoteye
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DJ_UFO said:
I gotta disagree with you once again bor. Whatever this whole system your speaking of (I'm assuming brute force/destruction before dialogue type foreign policy), it's been made clear that entering a region without noble cause is worthless and not an honorable code of war.
Do you really think no one thought there would be an insurgency after the war? Not true... there always will be resistance and if our administration didn't realize that they shouldn't be in a position to lead our country in the first place. We'll just have to agree to disagree once again.
Cata1yst said:
Well, I already strapped on kevlar. I was there, and lost a lot of function of my upper left torso as a parting gift for my service.
What I meant by saying that soldiers are dying is a weak argument is that:
1. Soldiers, believe it or not, die in every conflict.
2. While extremely sad, soldiers in Iraq are dying at a rate that is statistically on par with every day human living conditions. More people were murdered in Detriot last year than Iraq. Combine that with the fact that the amount and severity of attacks has declined, the outcome is a weak argument. This coming from a man who has had more of his close friend die within the past 3 years than I care to mention.
Even when I was on the ground, I never agreed with the war, but that never allowed me to be blinded by pessimistic propoganda constantly being served by the media. People who dont know any better seem to maintain that:
a: we are losing this war
and
b: we need an "exit strategy."
Ill admit we never had an exit strategy, because we didnt invade Iraq to leave. We invaded it to make a change, which judging by the Iraq of today and what it promises to be years from now, we are on the right path. New schools, hospitals, armed forces, democratic elections for pete's sake. We never needed an exit strategy...we needed a victory strategy, which we have been implementing with reasonably favorable results.
Do you degrade Truman for declaring victory in the Pacific before the violent 8-year occupation of Japan?
As for the financing...do I think that money would be better spent here at home? Shit yeah. But I also think we should withold our aid to Africa, Egypt, Israel, Asia, etc. Unfortunately, America tends to be too generous a country, in my opinion.
needtogetaas
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spoken like a true solder.75th said:
Redshoteye
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75th said:
That is all,
excuse my absence... its time to enjoy this Saturday night.
Cata1yst said:
- Its not ignorance...you had no way of knowing.
- Was the bang worth the squeeze? That depends on how you look at it. Like I said, when the war first began, I despised it. However, looking at it now and the fact that in a few years time we will no longer be Saudi Arabia's bitches...in my opinion that is worth some coin in itself.
- We agree on the fact that we need to focus more on domestic problems. As I mentioned, lets reserve the $500,000,000,000 or so we pony up each year to folks who do nothing of value for us and invest it in our teachers, law enforcement, defense department, medical research, etc.
- The money we send to Africa conveniently gets filtered through the corrupt governments and warlords. As a result, it provides them with a lot more RPGs then clean syringes.
GoldenDelicious
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djufo: i tried replying to your post, but really, i felt like i was arguing with a child. that had a speech impediment. and was retarded.
really.
really.
DJ_UFO
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75th said:
This is an American soldier. One of the things I disagree with our system is the benefits for Veterans. I'd cut that famous walfare program and tax returns to improve veteran benefits. We can never thank enough to people like 75th. I wish I could tell you "thank you very much" in real person.
DJ_UFO
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GoldenDelicious said:
Guys just imagine how many assholes are in Africa, Israel or whatever talking about us like this cocksucker. Glad we don't send money to Australia. Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this dipshit is buying TP to clean his mouth (and his mother's ass) with our pennies.
fuck*** pussy.
