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Why pros dont live in steroid-friendly contries?

big_boy_1

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Sometime you hear some pros retire a year cause they cant afford juice...

Why pros (not the top ones) dont live in steroid friendly countries?
Gear can be purchased dirt cheap here, and everything is cheaper

I was about to make a post: "Why mexicans arent huge?"
With all the juice cheaply available
But the answer seemed to obvious: $$$, ignorance and fear.

So why they dont spend half a year in contries like this and enjoy the weather and cheap gear?
 
plus would you live away from your family and friends just to get cheaper gear? also if youre a bber thats aspiring to become a pro or are a pro, you should already know how to get "cheap" gear.
 
big_boy_1 said:
Sometime you hear some pros retire a year cause they cant afford juice...

Why pros (not the top ones) dont live in steroid friendly countries?
Gear can be purchased dirt cheap here, and everything is cheaper

I was about to make a post: "Why mexicans arent huge?"
With all the juice cheaply available
But the answer seemed to obvious: $$$, ignorance and fear.

So why they dont spend half a year in contries like this and enjoy the weather and cheap gear?

societal influences are probably an even bigger factor than both of those.
 
Leaving all of your friends, family, and social contacts, to go live in a country with a whole different set of laws, values, and customs would be more culture shock than most people could handle-especially when the only trade off is great gear. Ever see some of the gyms in foriegn countries? I've seen moderately priced apartment complexes here in the USA that have these lame ass weight rooms that absolutely smoke gyms overseas.

Also, theres a lot of other things here in the USA that we take for granted that are not necessarily a part of other country's priorities-like readily available jobs, food, and medical attention.

In addition, just because laws in other countries are lenient towards roids doesn't mean they're lenient towards other crimes. For instance, try bringing a loaded firearm into Mexico, or even bullets alone, and see what happens. Or just look at what happened to the kid that vandalized a few cars in Singapore(where you can be arrested for chewing gum or not flushing the toilet when you're finished) a few years back-what he would've gotten probation/restitution for in the USA he was sentenced to being caned/flogged. I believe he was sentenced to 6 lashes across the ass with a 2 inch round cane-(kinda looks like a pool cue) but after pressure from the USA I think it was knocked down to 4 lashes. Caning does break the skin and immediate med attention is required afterwards. I've seen pics of the damage-it's not pretty-and forget sitting like a normal person for a couple months. Americans, especially ones unfamiliar with other cultures, often don't realize just how good they have it in the USA.

Besides, within the USA there are still a few states where roid possession is a misdemeanor. If someone is that concerned with the legal aspects of roid use/possession it would be a lot easier to live in one of those states as opposed to getting citizenship or a visa to a foriegn country without giving up the great things the USA has to offer.

I also must comment on the stereotypes of Americans by those in foreign countries. As a result of the Iraq war we're not exactly winning the global popularity award. I know Americans that travel outside the USA regularly that have actually sewn Canadian Flags on their luggage so foreigners don't think they're American. Americans are thought to be larger than life in some counties(like Iraq, Iran), but that only seems to fuel their hate for us. In other countries we're thought of as loud, tactless, and ignorant, gun toting inbred hicks straight off the Jerry Springer Show. The USA's educational system can be blamed for our stupidity. In other countries it's common for people to speak 2-3 different languages-where Americans can barely speak proper English.
 
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i have a friend that was in singapore when that dude got caned. he knew the guy and everything....just thought that was funny.
 
I believe Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. I also heard that it is very clean. I'm sure recidivism in countries like that is next to nothing compared to the horrible high rates in the US. But I am a proud American and wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
 
big_boy_1 said:
Sometime you hear some pros retire a year cause they cant afford juice...

Why pros (not the top ones) dont live in steroid friendly countries?
Gear can be purchased dirt cheap here, and everything is cheaper

I was about to make a post: "Why mexicans arent huge?"
With all the juice cheaply available
But the answer seemed to obvious: $$$, ignorance and fear.

So why they dont spend half a year in contries like this and enjoy the weather and cheap gear?

Your "too obvious" answer is wrong. But evidenttly your answer comes from an ignorant trying to call the mexicans ignorants. Try to answer this first, you don't a lot of skills, you just need to have a little power of observation. Why mexicans do not play in the NFL? Maybe that will help.

Mexicans aren't huge mostly 'cause aren't genetically gifted. If you think that in the U.S a bodybuilder makes little money, in Mexico they make about 10 times less. Mexicans have to address basic needs first (food, housing, transportation) in a country were incomes are way too short to support not only yourself but some family members too. The people who can afford to buy juice and supplements, usually do not have the time to spend too much time at the gym. Supplements in Mexico, such as protein and creatine, are about 50 to 70% more expensive than in the U.S. There is a shortage of gyms, and most gyms are not as nice as the average american gym. OHH by the way that is called infraestrcture.

I'm sorry that u have such a bad conception about mexicans. We work our asses really hard, and believe me, for the most part I've ran into more ignorant poeple in the U.S. than in Mexico (not offense). Is not ignorance nor is fear, our priorities are just different. U need to understand how a country lifestyle is like before you can make any judgement. Mexicans are just not into the bodybuiding thing simply 'cause they don't care or is not a priority, not because we are ignorant or we are affraid.
Obviously you sound like a person who has no respect for other cultures, but I guess you can speak several languages like most mexicans do, right? (rethorical question) So who is the ignorant?

Now, tell me what do u know about mexico and the mexicans? How much do u think a let's say a mexican cop makes a month? How much do u think a lawyer makes a month in mexico?. How many hours does the average mexican works a week?
Even easier, most mexicans are paid the minimum wage, ....how much is the minumun wage in Mexico City?
 
bittersuit_98 said:
Your "too obvious" answer is wrong. But evidenttly your answer comes from an ignorant trying to call the mexicans ignorants. Try to answer this first, you don't a lot of skills, you just need to have a little power of observation. Why mexicans do not play in the NFL? Maybe that will help.

Mexicans aren't huge mostly 'cause aren't genetically gifted. If you think that in the U.S a bodybuilder makes little money, in Mexico they make about 10 times less. Mexicans have to address basic needs first (food, housing, transportation) in a country were incomes are way too short to support not only yourself but some family members too. The people who can afford to buy juice and supplements, usually do not have the time to spend too much time at the gym. Supplements in Mexico, such as protein and creatine, are about 50 to 70% more expensive than in the U.S. There is a shortage of gyms, and most gyms are not as nice as the average american gym. OHH by the way that is called infraestrcture.

I'm sorry that u have such a bad conception about mexicans. We work our asses really hard, and believe me, for the most part I've ran into more ignorant poeple in the U.S. than in Mexico (not offense). Is not ignorance nor is fear, our priorities are just different. U need to understand how a country lifestyle is like before you can make any judgement. Mexicans are just not into the bodybuiding thing simply 'cause they don't care or is not a priority, not because we are ignorant or we are affraid.
Obviously you sound like a person who has no respect for other cultures, but I guess you can speak several languages like most mexicans do, right? (rethorical question) So who is the ignorant?

Now, tell me what do u know about mexico and the mexicans? How much do u think a let's say a mexican cop makes a month? How much do u think a lawyer makes a month in mexico?. How many hours does the average mexican works a week?
Even easier, most mexicans are paid the minimum wage, ....how much is the minumun wage in Mexico City?


Is it true that if you're married in Mexico and your wife fails to meet her wifely duties (as often as you'd like her to) that you can file for a divorce?
 
southpaw45 said:
I believe Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. I also heard that it is very clean.

Yep, that's why chewing gum there is is illegal. I guess whoever made that law got really pissed when he stepped in someones spat out wad of Bazooka while wearing his new kicks? :p
 
bittersuit_98 said:
Now, tell me what do u know about mexico and the mexicans? How much do u think a let's say a mexican cop makes a month? How much do u think a lawyer makes a month in mexico?. How many hours does the average mexican works a week?
Even easier, most mexicans are paid the minimum wage, ....how much is the minumun wage in Mexico City?

Um..let me see. I live in AZ and those illegal immigrants pour over our border like a broken dam. They are filthy, they bring diseases into our country, they break our laws, they bread like cockroaches and live in small houses ruining well established communities forcing the middle class americans to move out of the area due to crime caused by their english speaking gangster children..let me see.. Oh, did I mention that they also take our jobs, which is a federal offense, steal our money by using our government resources like our hospitals, community resources, and schools? They over burden our country just to better themselfs to send back almost 20 BILLION dollars to their families back in mexico, and what does mexico do? Look the other way, because illegal immigrants are the number 1 business in mexico next to their oil company! Sure, don't get me wrong, a lot of them are good, hard working people, but now, since the government and that sH*thole organization, ACLU, has taught these illegals how to beat our system, they've gotten cockier than ever being in our country. Not to mention that racist organization , LA RAZA, telling them that they should take back their country? Excuse me? We kicked their asses a long time ago and also purchased this land from Mexico. So, cry me a freakin' river about how little mexicans make in mexico. Considering they come over here and live in poverty and work for less than minimum wages - they might as well be in mexico. Do you realize that 27% of our prisons are housed by ILLEGAL immigrants from Mexico? Do you realize that over 80% of the crime in AZ is now done by illegal immigrants?

Do I have a chip on my shoulder about this.. YEP I SURE DO.

Am I a racist. Hell NO.

Do they have a right to come into our country. YES they do IF they do it LEGALLY and not by breaking our laws by sneaking into our country.

GAWD Darnit, I want to be able to go into MCDONALDS and order a freakin meal without speaking SPANISH. Where are all of our zit faced red haired teen agers, or blond, brown, AMERICANs learning a trade?

My step-son is half mexican and half american, and he's only 17, and he can't even get a job at a fast food restaurant because they only hire ILLEGALS now. They pay them the minimum, but under the table. And yeah, it's the companies fault..DAM STRAIGHT. I say , reform the businesses here so they have nothing to come over here for. Don't you think its about time that these crappy 3rd world countries start stepping into the 21st century? Oh and by the way..

We didn't like our government at one point in our history so what did we do? We had a civil war and it straightened out our gov and our people.

Don't you think that it's time that those hard working mexicans rize up and overthrow their so called democratic government? They have everything we have over here - as far as natural resources, etc, but they just want to sneak across our borders and ruin our hard worked, earned lives..

How about a civil war in mexico? When I see them lazy bastards rise up and change their way of life instead of making us change our lifes to accomidate them, that's when I'll scream HALLELUJAH!
 
sparetire said:
Um..let me see. I live in AZ and those illegal immigrants pour over our border like a broken dam. They are filthy, they bring diseases into our country, they break our laws, they bread like cockroaches and live in small houses ruining well established communities forcing the middle class americans to move out of the area due to crime caused by their english speaking gangster children..let me see.. Oh, did I mention that they also take our jobs, which is a federal offense, steal our money by using our government resources like our hospitals, community resources, and schools? They over burden our country just to better themselfs to send back almost 20 BILLION dollars to their families back in mexico, and what does mexico do? Look the other way, because illegal immigrants are the number 1 business in mexico next to their oil company! Sure, don't get me wrong, a lot of them are good, hard working people, but now, since the government and that sH*thole organization, ACLU, has taught these illegals how to beat our system, they've gotten cockier than ever being in our country. Not to mention that racist organization , LA RAZA, telling them that they should take back their country? Excuse me? We kicked their asses a long time ago and also purchased this land from Mexico. So, cry me a freakin' river about how little mexicans make in mexico. Considering they come over here and live in poverty and work for less than minimum wages - they might as well be in mexico. Do you realize that 27% of our prisons are housed by ILLEGAL immigrants from Mexico? Do you realize that over 80% of the crime in AZ is now done by illegal immigrants?

Do I have a chip on my shoulder about this.. YEP I SURE DO.

Am I a racist. Hell NO.

Do they have a right to come into our country. YES they do IF they do it LEGALLY and not by breaking our laws by sneaking into our country.

GAWD Darnit, I want to be able to go into MCDONALDS and order a freakin meal without speaking SPANISH. Where are all of our zit faced red haired teen agers, or blond, brown, AMERICANs learning a trade?

My step-son is half mexican and half american, and he's only 17, and he can't even get a job at a fast food restaurant because they only hire ILLEGALS now. They pay them the minimum, but under the table. And yeah, it's the companies fault..DAM STRAIGHT. I say , reform the businesses here so they have nothing to come over here for. Don't you think its about time that these crappy 3rd world countries start stepping into the 21st century? Oh and by the way..

We didn't like our government at one point in our history so what did we do? We had a civil war and it straightened out our gov and our people.

Don't you think that it's time that those hard working mexicans rize up and overthrow their so called democratic government? They have everything we have over here - as far as natural resources, etc, but they just want to sneak across our borders and ruin our hard worked, earned lives..

How about a civil war in mexico? When I see them lazy bastards rise up and change their way of life instead of making us change our lifes to accomidate them, that's when I'll scream HALLELUJAH!

If it makes you feel any better, I heard on the radio that the Mexican government is no longer handing out the "how to sneak into the USA maps" at the border.

And I feel your pain about Fast Food-which I rarely eat. Last night I ordered a $4 premium chicken sandwich from a barely english speaking employee at McD's. I get home and realize I got charged for the primo sandwich but the bitch gave me the cheapo $1 chicken sandwich instead.

I live in Chandler-this place looks like a pinata busted and a bunch of Mexicans came pouring out. I recently got a landscaping quote from Joe White Guy to do my yard-he quoted me $600. I called Jose Beaner lawn service and they quoted me $250 to do the exact same job. Damn-that's undercutting whitey by more than 50%! I had them do it on the spot. Maybe I'm part of the problem? lol
 
Um..let me see. I live in AZ and those illegal immigrants pour over our border like a broken dam. They are filthy, they bring diseases into our country, they break our laws, they bread like cockroaches and live in small houses ruining well established communities forcing the middle class americans to move out of the area due to crime caused by their english speaking gangster children..let me see.. Oh, did I mention that they also take our jobs, which is a federal offense, steal our money by using our government resources like our hospitals, community resources, and schools? They over burden our country just to better themselfs to send back almost 20 BILLION dollars to their families back in mexico, and what does mexico do? Look the other way, because illegal immigrants are the number 1 business in mexico next to their oil company! Sure, don't get me wrong, a lot of them are good, hard working people, but now, since the government and that sH*thole organization, ACLU, has taught these illegals how to beat our system, they've gotten cockier than ever being in our country. Not to mention that racist organization , LA RAZA, telling them that they should take back their country? Excuse me? We kicked their asses a long time ago and also purchased this land from Mexico. So, cry me a freakin' river about how little mexicans make in mexico. Considering they come over here and live in poverty and work for less than minimum wages - they might as well be in mexico. Do you realize that 27% of our prisons are housed by ILLEGAL immigrants from Mexico? Do you realize that over 80% of the crime in AZ is now done by illegal immigrants?

Do I have a chip on my shoulder about this.. YEP I SURE DO.

Am I a racist. Hell NO.

Do they have a right to come into our country. YES they do IF they do it LEGALLY and not by breaking our laws by sneaking into our country.

GAWD Darnit, I want to be able to go into MCDONALDS and order a freakin meal without speaking SPANISH. Where are all of our zit faced red haired teen agers, or blond, brown, AMERICANs learning a trade?

My step-son is half mexican and half american, and he's only 17, and he can't even get a job at a fast food restaurant because they only hire ILLEGALS now. They pay them the minimum, but under the table. And yeah, it's the companies fault..DAM STRAIGHT. I say , reform the businesses here so they have nothing to come over here for. Don't you think its about time that these crappy 3rd world countries start stepping into the 21st century? Oh and by the way..

We didn't like our government at one point in our history so what did we do? We had a civil war and it straightened out our gov and our people.

Don't you think that it's time that those hard working mexicans rize up and overthrow their so called democratic government? They have everything we have over here - as far as natural resources, etc, but they just want to sneak across our borders and ruin our hard worked, earned lives..

How about a civil war in mexico? When I see them lazy bastards rise up and change their way of life instead of making us change our lifes to accomidate them, that's when I'll scream HALLELUJAH!

Wow, this is soo retarded its not even worth arguing against, bro you sound like the nazis from american history x.
 
LT3 said:
Wow, this is soo retarded its not even worth arguing against, bro you sound like the nazis from american history x.


In his defense, the whole illegal immigration issue is a bfd here in AZ. Whenever a group of gut toting freaks are willing to set up lawn chairs on the border and watch for illegals without pay there's definitely a problem. The Mexican government not handing out those maps anymore is the only cooperation I've ever seen on their behalf. It's also pretty scary when an illegal can come to the USA, perpetrate a shitload of crimes, and quickly disappear back into Mexico.
 
In his defense, the whole illegal immigration issue is a bfd here in AZ. Whenever a group of gut toting freaks are willing to set up lawn chairs on the border and watch for illegals without pay there's definitely a problem. The Mexican government not handing out those maps anymore is the only cooperation I've ever seen on their behalf. It's also pretty scary when an illegal can come to the USA, perpetrate a shitload of crimes, and quickly disappear back into Mexico.

Ok as far as the map thing goes, i dont know anything about it, so i wont discuss it. but bro you know that this is a very complicated problem that cannot be pinpointed, thats why we cant say what sparetire said.
 
sparetire said:
Um..let me see. I live in AZ and those illegal immigrants pour over our border like a broken dam. They are filthy, they bring diseases into our country, they break our laws, they bread like cockroaches and live in small houses ruining well established communities forcing the middle class americans to move out of the area due to crime caused by their english speaking gangster children..let me see.. Oh, did I mention that they also take our jobs, which is a federal offense, steal our money by using our government resources like our hospitals, community resources, and schools? They over burden our country just to better themselfs to send back almost 20 BILLION dollars to their families back in mexico, and what does mexico do? Look the other way, because illegal immigrants are the number 1 business in mexico next to their oil company! Sure, don't get me wrong, a lot of them are good, hard working people, but now, since the government and that sH*thole organization, ACLU, has taught these illegals how to beat our system, they've gotten cockier than ever being in our country. Not to mention that racist organization , LA RAZA, telling them that they should take back their country? Excuse me? We kicked their asses a long time ago and also purchased this land from Mexico. So, cry me a freakin' river about how little mexicans make in mexico. Considering they come over here and live in poverty and work for less than minimum wages - they might as well be in mexico. Do you realize that 27% of our prisons are housed by ILLEGAL immigrants from Mexico? Do you realize that over 80% of the crime in AZ is now done by illegal immigrants?

Do I have a chip on my shoulder about this.. YEP I SURE DO.

Am I a racist. Hell NO.

Do they have a right to come into our country. YES they do IF they do it LEGALLY and not by breaking our laws by sneaking into our country.

GAWD Darnit, I want to be able to go into MCDONALDS and order a freakin meal without speaking SPANISH. Where are all of our zit faced red haired teen agers, or blond, brown, AMERICANs learning a trade?

My step-son is half mexican and half american, and he's only 17, and he can't even get a job at a fast food restaurant because they only hire ILLEGALS now. They pay them the minimum, but under the table. And yeah, it's the companies fault..DAM STRAIGHT. I say , reform the businesses here so they have nothing to come over here for. Don't you think its about time that these crappy 3rd world countries start stepping into the 21st century? Oh and by the way..

We didn't like our government at one point in our history so what did we do? We had a civil war and it straightened out our gov and our people.

Don't you think that it's time that those hard working mexicans rize up and overthrow their so called democratic government? They have everything we have over here - as far as natural resources, etc, but they just want to sneak across our borders and ruin our hard worked, earned lives..

How about a civil war in mexico? When I see them lazy bastards rise up and change their way of life instead of making us change our lifes to accomidate them, that's when I'll scream HALLELUJAH!

When I posted my reply I was talking about mexicans living and working in Mexico. But i guess u have to aired out your frustrations. Read carefully first.
At least you noticed that no matter what, Mexicans sure do work their asses hard. Even if they don't speak the language and they had to cross the border and become a blank targets for a shootout. LOL!!! Next time tell your step-son that this is not a perfect world, there are obstacles to overcome in years too come and inmigrants.
And yes, poor you!!! I can't believe that a filthy illegal mexican is ruining your hard worked earned lifestyle. Like you said, if you don't like'em then fight'em, but they'll fight back at u.
 
LT3 said:
Ok as far as the map thing goes, i dont know anything about it, so i wont discuss it. but bro you know that this is a very complicated problem that cannot be pinpointed, thats why we cant say what sparetire said.
I never said his post wasn't a bit over the top from a politically correct standpoint-it was. I'm just familiar with the like minded individuals that feel this way because it's been a very big issue in AZ for awhile now. It's an almost daily topic in AZ's local media. Our government not doing it's job by keeping our border controled is just as much of an issue as people like myself that hire illegals to do my landscaping. Also for prego mexican women, the allure of having their baby born in the USA with automatic citizenship, free med care, food stamps, etc is just too good of an option to pass up. Especially when Mexico is way too corrupt and poor to offer these ammenities to it's people on it's own. The bottom line is that Mexicans coming into our country illegaly are criminals-and the USA is rewarding these criminals for doing so by giving them a chance at a better life here in the states-often at the tax paying citizen's expense.
 
I'm a school teacher and I am seriously considering spending our long summer holidays in Tunisia and doing the biggest MoFo of a cycle known to man-kind!!!
 
sgtslaughter said:
Wow, the caning photos and text were vivid! I've seen similar battared asses from Paddling... that'll mess you up.

No doubt-kinda makes you appreciate our justice system-as imperfect as it is.

I'd be all for caning for convicted pedophiles though.
 
BigCracker said:
I never said his post wasn't a bit over the top from a politically correct standpoint-it was. I'm just familiar with the like minded individuals that feel this way because it's been a very big issue in AZ for awhile now. It's an almost daily topic in AZ's local media. Our government not doing it's job by keeping our border controled is just as much of an issue as people like myself that hire illegals to do my landscaping. Also for prego mexican women, the allure of having their baby born in the USA with automatic citizenship, free med care, food stamps, etc is just too good of an option to pass up. Especially when Mexico is way too corrupt and poor to offer these ammenities to it's people on it's own. The bottom line is that Mexicans coming into our country illegaly are criminals-and the USA is rewarding these criminals for doing so by giving them a chance at a better life here in the states-often at the tax paying citizen's expense.

Agreed, nothing against Mexicans, it's just out of hand. If it were any other country I would feel the same.Anyone one who is illegal, should def not be able to collect welfare, get medical coverage, when people who are citizens, and in need, can't even qualify for help, becouse they make a few dollars to much. Same old shit our government gives away 100's of milions every year to other countries, becouse most polititans don't know what it's like to work for a living, so our money means nothing to them.
 
mormussle said:
Agreed, nothing against Mexicans, it's just out of hand. If it were any other country I would feel the same.Anyone one who is illegal, should def not be able to collect welfare, get medical coverage, when people who are citizens, and in need, can't even qualify for help, becouse they make a few dollars to much. Same old shit our government gives away 100's of milions every year to other countries, becouse most polititans don't know what it's like to work for a living, so our money means nothing to them.

Its not just your country Bro. Mine (England) spends millions of tax payers money (as in my money) giving generous freebies to 30% genuine Asylum Seekers/ 70% spongers. The 70% spongers get free housing, no taxes, free health, and there is one Prick from Iraq I know who is actually BETTER OFF than I am. I burst my Ass and have nothing left after being taxed to the neck while this boy gets all the handouts.
 
unfortunately, this is the story everywhere. i'm from india and we have this same problem with illegal bangladeshis. when our government took it up with bangladeshi authorities, they accused indians of illegally crossing into bangladesh.... absurd! (BTW, we liberated their country from pakistan in 1971!)
but coming back to the original topic... no one likes to leave the comfort of their own country... new culture, perhaps less satisfactory infrastructure (compared to the US) and getting away from friends/family.... not hard to see why someone would stay put at home even with the attraction of cheap gear.
 
Bro, The border situation boils down to politics..Geroge W. Bush understands that the hispanics are the fastest growing segment of the population. The Mexican legal immagrants...have family in Mexico and illegals in the US...The hispanic vote will get you elected.....Don't get me wrong I'm a diehard conservative...but Bush has turned a blind eye to the border problems due to the hispanic vote in the US.
 
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