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Why Mideast Peace is a fantasy that will never materialize:

The Republican said:
Nordstrom knows what he's talking about. We as a country support Israel because they support us.

HOW DO THEY SUPPORT US? FINANCIALLY,MILITARILY, POLITICALLY OR SOME OTHER WAY?

They are the closest thing to a true democracy in that area of the world.

WHEN THEY TORTURE PEOPLE, SHOOT PALESTINIAN CHILDREN AND SPY ON THE U.S. IS THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE SUCH A GREAT DEMOCRACY?

Whether or not there are a high number of Jews in the government and/or media isnt really relevant.

OH SURE, THEY MIGHT AS WELL BE PALESTINIANS, IT DOESNT MATTER...

As far as the Israel/Palestenian conflict is concerned, anyone with an IQ above 20 should admit that the Israelis have shown EXTREME resistance when dealing with the Palestenians.

DO YOU MEAN "EXTREME RESTRAINT"? BECAUSE I THINK TWO MILLION BESEIGED PALESTINIANS WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU.
 
nordstrom said:


I would agree with giving Gaza & the west bank back if there was a method of ensuring Israeli security and decreasing palestinian hostility by doing so. However, Gaza & the West bank weren't even Israeli property until 1967. For the first 19 years of Israels existence Egypt & Jordon controlled them. There was no mention of 'liberating' them when arabs controlled those territories.

I disagree with the 1948 part. The Palestinians renounced that deal. Besides, the Israelis have invested many billions in building up Israel, they shouldn't give 1/2 of it to the Palestinians.

Also, what of the 900k Jews who had their land stolen and their money taken when they were kicked out of the Arab states from 1948-2003? Shouldn't Morocco, iraq, Egypt, etc. give them their land and money back?

Excellent point. The thing I cannot comprehend is that while supports of Palestine claim that all they want is to live in peace and so on and so forth, yet at the same time they continue to postpone peace negotiations between the two "nations." People should realize that the majority of Palestenians believe it to be their God granted duty to rid the world of the Jews.
 
Yup. If you read some of the polls from the Jerusalem Media & communication center about 1/2 of Palestinains want to destroy the state of Israel.
 
Nikola Teslasterone said:


DO YOU MEAN "EXTREME RESTRAINT"? BECAUSE I THINK TWO MILLION BESEIGED PALESTINIANS WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU.


Again, the government of Jordan killed more Palestinians in a month than Isreal has killed in 55 years because the palestinians tried to steal some land in west jordan. Saudi Arabia & Kuwait ethnically cleansed over 700,000 Palestinians after gulf war 1 becuase they supported Saddam Hussein (far more than have ever been forcibly evicted from Israel). That is probably what he means by restraint, the fact that Israel, even though it is under more violent pressure & terrorism from the palestinians, doesn't do nearly as much harm to the palestinians as their 'brothers' have done for far less justified reasons. If the Israelis were as evil as Jordan, Syria, Egypt, iraq, etc. then rest assured things would be much different. Look at how Iraq deals with the Kurds, who want their own state or how the Jordan gov. dealt with them when they wanted their own state compared to how Israel deals with them. That is what he means by restraint.
 
Nikola -

HOW DO THEY SUPPORT US? FINANCIALLY,MILITARILY, POLITICALLY OR SOME OTHER WAY?

They are one of our biggest customers when it comes to arms sales, etc. People complain that we give them so much money, yet a large chunk of that is required to go into our economy via arms contractors.

What I originally meant by my post was that they support our "way of life" if you would like to put a label on it.
Militarily, you should know they would have our backs at a moments notice. I have spoken extensively with many Israeli soldiers and I can assure you that this isnt simply political "our country supports yours" business. The soldiers themselves, at least the many I have spoken to, all would defend us wholeheartedly at a moments notice.



WHEN THEY TORTURE PEOPLE, SHOOT PALESTINIAN CHILDREN AND SPY ON THE U.S. IS THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE SUCH A GREAT DEMOCRACY?

Read one of nordstroms posts above addressing how they can vote, have freedom of speech, and so on.
Many of the palestinian children shot are used as human shields.

DO YOU MEAN "EXTREME RESTRAINT"? BECAUSE I THINK TWO MILLION BESEIGED PALESTINIANS WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU.

You know full well that if you were Ariel Sharon you would have invaded all of Palestine and conquered it many moons ago. We had one 9/11 and within the span of a few months we had taken over an entire country. Israel deals with terrorism every single week.
 
Bottom line is----ALL Islamic terrorists must be exterminated like the lowlife, ignorant, barbaric, 11th century-living rats they are. Death to Islam!

Remember, Dubya----it's truly not a "war on terrorism", it's a "war on Islam". It is Islam that allows the Muslim terrorists to justify their most barbaric, evil and cruel acts----even against women and children----by saying their "God" gave them the power and authority to do so. As many copies of the Koran should be rounded up and destroyed as possible, and all Islamic sheiks and other religious leaders/teachers promptly arrested and thrown in jail.

It is becoming clear that the Islamic fundamentalist movement has taken foot in Iraq. ANY and ALL means necessary should be taken to ensure that the poison known as Islam is not allowed to seep into government, thus dictating the laws of the Iraqi people.
 
nordstrom said:
Also, what of the 900k Jews who had their land stolen and their money taken when they were kicked out of the Arab states from 1948-2003? Shouldn't Morocco, iraq, Egypt, etc. give them their land and money back?
Yep , absolutely if their claims are valid.
 
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