Why is my estrogen still elevated?

[biggerthanu450]

My estrogen is measuring 4 pg/ml (reference 0.5 -1.5). I am using 80mg of Tornel enanthate E5D, and this keeps my testosterone at the high end of normal.
One week before testing my hormones I took 2.5mg of femara ED for 7 days. Previous to that I had used 2.5mg over 5 days split in 2 doses. I bought my femara from a popular supplier that recently closed its door.
Previous to this I had use prescription arimidex, and this worked great at keeping my E2 levels low.
I think there may be lots of fake anti-Es being sold. The only way to find out is to get bloodwork done.

 

[Zyglamail]

On reason is likely you did not take it long enough, here is an excerpt from a post I made many months ago.

Letrozole’s terminal elimination half-life is about 2 days and steady-state plasma concentration after daily 2.5mg dosing is reached in 2-6 weeks. Plasma concentrations at steady-state are 1.5 to 2 times higher than predicted from the concentrations measured after a single dose, indicating a slight nonlinearity in the pharmacokinetics of letrozole upon daily administration of 2.5mg. These steady-state levels are maintained over extended periods, however, and continuous accumulation of letrozole does not occur.

 

[Ulter]

You just need to give it more time. I used the same letro you are and it's was a great product.

 

[jubei]

How long before a cycle should you start taking letrozole or anastrazole?

 

[The Terminator]

How long before a cycle should you start taking letrozole or anastrazole?

According to Zyg's post it looks like you could do it 2-6 weeks. For me I always start it the day of first injection...

 

[biggerthanu450]

I was using femara for over 2 months at a low dosage when I firsted checked my estrogen. I noticed it was WAY high, so I suspected it was fake. To figure out if it was fake I took a tab a day for one week before getting my hormones checked again at it was exactly the same....proving to me the product is fake. The arimidex my doctor prescribed worked awesome...almost too good because my estrogen was barley measurable after 1 week using 1mg/day. Next week I will get some prescription femara and run the same test.
Actually, I thought it was working great until I got bloodwork done showing my estrogen was high. I have gotten 2 bloodtests and 3 salivary hormone tests over the last 3 months, and all show estrogen is WAY off the chart!
Utler...did you get your estrogen checked to see if it lowered it, or are you just going by how you "feel"?
Has anyone got their estrogen measured while using anti-Es during a cycle with testosterone?

 

[biggerthanu450]

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[Nelson Montana]

A normal level for a man is supposed to be btween 10 and 30ngs.

Less than 10 is extremely rare and would result in a low libido, loss of skin tone and increased risk of Heart attack. I believe 30 is closer to average. You can go to 40 or 50 without noticing anything one way or the other.

Anti-e's are touchy and many people don't respond well to them but it's unusual that it would take so long to work. Even with natural substances suuch as Chrysin and Calciumd Glucerate, I can see and FEEL a difference in a couple of days. I can also tell if I take too much. It's pretty fast acting.

 

[biggerthanu450]

Nelson, you are talking about ng/L. My results were in pg/ml for my saliva hormone test. My blood test results were 121 ng/L. This is WAY high.
You stated: "Even with natural substances suuch as Chrysin and Calciumd Glucerate, I can see and FEEL a difference in a couple of days. I can also tell if I take too much." ...but have you ever measured your estrogen before and after?
I could see and feel it (femara) too....but this was placebo effect.
I may try DIM or I3C if someone convinces my they work after posting blood test results. The literature on these substances are weak...much has been done using in vitro models.

 

[OXANDRIN]

did you get your estrogen checked to see if it lowered it, or are you just going by how you "feel"?

i can tell you from personal experience that if you take too much femara you will know it because your penis will not work..... i use femara to boost testosterone and reduce estrogen when i cut. the key is finding the optimum dose that gives you enough of an increase in LH and doesn't reduce aromatase too much

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, you are talking about ng/L. My results were in pg/ml for my saliva hormone test. My blood test results were 121 ng/L. This is WAY high.
You stated: "Even with natural substances suuch as Chrysin and Calciumd Glucerate, I can see and FEEL a difference in a couple of days. I can also tell if I take too much." ...but have you ever measured your estrogen before and after?
I could see and feel it (femara) too....but this was placebo effect.
I may try DIM or I3C if someone convinces my they work after posting blood test results. The literature on these substances are weak...much has been done using in vitro models.

That's next on my "to do" list. I just had a blood test and puposely took no chrysin and CDG for the last few weeks. (I'm on 100mgs of HRT every 5 days). My e was a little high (40ngs) but nothing noticabe except that I havne't had the usual touch of acne on my back that accompanies the T injections. I'm going back in a couple of months and will have it tested again to see where the numbers are while using Chrysin and CDG. I'll post the results.

It's definitely not placebo. Morning erections are not placebo. When I take the Chrysin with biotene, Mr. Happy is back to greet me when I wake up. But if I take too much for too long, Pamala Anderson can be masterbating on my couch and it might as well be my grandmother knitting a sweater.

Estrogen balance is every bit as important as optimum testosterone levels when it comes to libido.

I wouldn't ecommend DIM (although I have in the past ) or 13C. They work as weak estrogens and as everyone should know by now, in some people that backfires and increses e. Go with Chrysin with biotene and CDG.

 

[biggerthanu450]

I also felt a reduction in libido when i took femara, and thought it was because my estrogen was too low, when in fact it was too high.
I have never seen anything to suggest aromatase inhibition increases LH. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the small rise you get in testosterone is due to less testosterone being converted to estrogen during aromatase suppression.
I actually experienced a slight decrease in LH while using (prescription) arimidex, although my free test levels went up about 10% after 6 weeks.

 

[biggerthanu450]

You're doing the same HRT as me. I found out through experience that 100mg E5D is optimal...for me at least. My strength and size continue to improve, and my lipid profile, blood pressure, general health...etc is also excellent compared to pre-HRT.
I also plan to use chrysin and CDG. Keep us posted....I'll be interested to see your test results after using them.

 

[biggerthanu450]

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[Enigmaxxx7]

I thought this thread would be as good as any to just come out and say that The Terminator's avatar keeps poking me in the eye. I love that pic.