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Why is Isreal attacking...airports???

Phenom78 said:
Sublime

The platform of Hezbollah is the non negotiable complete destruction of Israel. To that aim Lebanon has allowed them to train tens of thousands of soldiers within its borders, to stockpile weapns and material, and launch attacks against the State of Israel. Not for a month or a year, but for decades.

They launch those rockets from within southern Lebanon. Rockets which have a limited distance, often measured in miles. Any sensical nation in the world would create a buffer zone large enough to protect its country.

But thats besides the point

Hezbollah entered Israel from Lebanon to kill its citizens, and take others captive. Please tell me what other country in the world would not take action against Lebanon as they are now requesting Israel not to do?

If they were US citizens what would we do? We'd have leveled them decades ago, and no one would have blinked an eye. If you dont believe me see Afghanistan as an example.
lol that didnt address my post at all.
 
SublimeZM said:
lol that didnt address my post at all.


Actually I did. Or at least the relevant portion

As to why I said anti semitic nonsense, if thats what you are referring to, read the totality of his statements. If you disagree with my conclusion so be it.

But when someone ignores every provocation, little things like firing hundreds of missiles into Israel, then exxagerates the israeli response, I feel Im on pretty solid intellectual ground here. There is not even the pretense of balance in his posts. Just the evil jews startign up again like one day they woke up and decided to kill some Lebanese for shits and giggles.
 
Phenom78 said:
Actually I did. Or at least the relevant portion

As to why I said anti semitic nonsense, if thats what you are referring to, read the totality of his statements. If you disagree with my conclusion so be it.

But when someone ignores every provocation, little things like firing hundreds of missiles into Israel, then exxagerates the israeli response, I feel Im on pretty solid intellectual ground here. There is not even the pretense of balance in his posts. Just the evil jews startign up again like one day they woke up and decided to kill some Lebanese for shits and giggles.
there is no balance in your posts either, buddy.

since ur so friendly with israel can u tell me why they are bombing tourist areas and places that have absoultely nothing to do with military or "terrorist" business whatsoever?

sounds like israel is just using this as an excuse to completely ravage a country "for shits and giggles" as u put it
 
IDF forces surrounded the camps and prevented the occupants from fleeing while IDF directed Maronite militias wiped out the occupants. The militas exited the camps several times to take food, water, and ammo resupply, from the IDF forces surrounding the camps. The IDF provided parachute flares for illumination over the camps while the militias did the deed.

Now, if the accounts of Sabr and Chatila are accurate (to the degree that they are) I would say genocide IS part of the Israeli playbook and civilians are routinely targeted. I don't know who to believe on the matter. Everyone other than Israel gives these accounts plenty of credibility.
 
SublimeZM said:
there is no balance in your posts either, buddy.

since ur so friendly with israel can u tell me why they are bombing tourist areas and places that have absoultely nothing to do with military or "terrorist" business whatsoever?

sounds like israel is just using this as an excuse to completely ravage a country "for shits and giggles" as u put it


Bro

Don't involve me in your arab/ israeli nonsesne. Saw enough fo that in college. I dont have a dog in the fight, and half of me is content to let y'all blow each other to pieces.

But neither am I oblivious to reality. Israel exists. Should it have been formed? Reasonable people can disagree.

60 years later though they arent leaving unless you kill em all. So you either come to grips with their existence and work out some peace accord, or continue to imagine you can throw them into the ocean. Not perfectly, but Israel has demonstrated good will towards a peace effort over and over again. Hezbollah, Hama, Syria, and Iran among others continue to maintain a destruction of Israel platform with no concession to peace possible.

Thats fine. They can do as they wish. But dont expect me to get my underwear bunched up when they decide to smaclk around those who attack them in pursuit of that objective. If you guys want to fight, then fight. But that doesnt obligate me to join the chorus of mindless stupidity that tries to paint every act of self defense by Israel as an unreasonable act of hostility.

I understand you'd like to attack them continously without consequence, but most reasonabloe people understand that if you hit someone more than likely they're going to hit you back. And if you are dumb enough to pick on someone who can kick your ass, dont come crying afterwards that he was a bully for doing so.
 
good for the jews.they have bin thr brunt of evry ones jokes for centerys.why.....
they have bin putting up with other cuntrys shit for as long as I have bin alive and longer.evry other minit some other cuntry is trying to make a clame on there land.
they have bin getting bombed and terized since they got there own land.they have bin forced to give up land sevral times to other cuntrys.
I am glad to see them finaly saying fuck this shit were droping bombs.I hope they go all out and wipe that fucken cuntry cleer of the map.then move on to serra and kill all of them to.
 
bignate73 said:
Is there a shot of the ship to see if they have Seawhiz?

"The Israeli warship, which had been carrying several dozen sailors, was towed to Haifa after suffering heavy damage." -AP

doesn't specify if it was large or small.

hmmmm...wish there was.

pretty distinct look they have. Awesome defense tool! Loud as shit



ciws-label.jpg

They now have identified the ship as a SAAR5. There are two variants, one has a CIWS mount forward of the bridge and the other had a 76mm gun. Not sure which it was.

It wasn't a drone, but a C802 missile of Iranian origin and Red China design. Based on the French Exocet, the design is similar to the exocet only in airframe. This large missile is beyond the capability of Hezbollah to deploy, suggesting it was fired by Iranian commandos.

Here's a pic of a SA'AR5 corvette, The Eilat.

saar5-3.jpg


Here's one of Red China's C801 missile, the predecessor to the one fired.

j203-001.jpg
 
phenom and needto, the media brainwashing in the U.S. has been wholly successful on you. Turn off the TV and check out a credible alternative viewpoint. ("bin thr brunt of evry ones jokes for centerys"...please tell me you're kidding). What you see/hear/read in the U.S. is the product of what jews WANT you to see/hear/read. Look into it!

phenom, while I won't be drawn into nonsensical name-calling, I recognize and see through your ignorance. You're NOT on solid intellectual ground because you only see the jewish side of the issue. (One man's terrorist is the other's freedom-fighter). Have you missed the fact that Israel is not the only country where terrorist acts occur? (But they're the one who cannot control themselves and blindly lash out at their neighbors, like a cat with a sock on its head, when a soldier is captured?) WTF?? Who DOES that other than Israel?! I would like to see both sides annihilate each other, so that we can focus on more important things....such as why we are content to watch our politicians give our country away to illegal mexicans.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Sweet. Israel has handed an ultimatum to Syria. This is getting really interesting.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3275886,00.html


Aaah, man and Mr Cowboy GW Bush will byte. As much as we shouldn't I think he will.

I agree, I wish they would destroy eachother so we can focus on domestic issues. Enough already with jumping in every world crisis/situation


Anyway,
W to send troops ins 3 , 2 , 1 ....
 
boss_ said:
phenom and needto, the media brainwashing in the U.S. has been wholly successful on you. Turn off the TV and check out a credible alternative viewpoint. ("bin thr brunt of evry ones jokes for centerys"...please tell me you're kidding). What you see/hear/read in the U.S. is the product of what jews WANT you to see/hear/read. Look into it!

phenom, while I won't be drawn into nonsensical name-calling, I recognize and see through your ignorance. You're NOT on solid intellectual ground because you only see the jewish side of the issue. (One man's terrorist is the other's freedom-fighter). Have you missed the fact that Israel is not the only country where terrorist acts occur? (But they're the one who cannot control themselves and blindly lash out at their neighbors, like a cat with a sock on its head, when a soldier is captured?) WTF?? Who DOES that other than Israel?! I would like to see both sides annihilate each other, so that we can focus on more important things....such as why we are content to watch our politicians give our country away to illegal mexicans.


It's amazing how many people don't or aren't even willing to acknowledge this possibility, or further more realize how much sense it makes. I think the residual guilt throughout the decades over the Holocaust might have something to do with it. Really, out of all the other genocides and mass killings in history, which one do you constantly hear the most of, and often described as being the worst? Have you ever seen a Jew being negatively portrayed in any tv show/cartoon/movie like most other groups have been?

I.m.o., Jews bring anti-Semitism on themselves more than anything.
I wondered myself when I was more naive why anyone would be hostile towards Jews, until I thought outside the box for a change. All it takes is to ask oneself some questions and be willing to look at it from an underdog's point of view.

And Boss, the last couple of succeeding points you brought up could very possibly take care of themselves, one after another.
 
boss_ said:
phenom and needto, the media brainwashing in the U.S. has been wholly successful on you. Turn off the TV and check out a credible alternative viewpoint. ("bin thr brunt of evry ones jokes for centerys"...please tell me you're kidding). What you see/hear/read in the U.S. is the product of what jews WANT you to see/hear/read. Look into it!

phenom, while I won't be drawn into nonsensical name-calling, I recognize and see through your ignorance. You're NOT on solid intellectual ground because you only see the jewish side of the issue. (One man's terrorist is the other's freedom-fighter). Have you missed the fact that Israel is not the only country where terrorist acts occur? (But they're the one who cannot control themselves and blindly lash out at their neighbors, like a cat with a sock on its head, when a soldier is captured?) WTF?? Who DOES that other than Israel?! I would like to see both sides annihilate each other, so that we can focus on more important things....such as why we are content to watch our politicians give our country away to illegal mexicans.


fuck sera,fuck iraqi,fuck hasbala,and fuck the palastinans to.fuck all them towel head peacis of shit.I hope they all die a horable death at the hands of a jew,or even better an american airborn ranger kills them with his bat hands.

I foght against them.I know what there like.there fucken sick and damanted.
this sick fucks wont think twice about straping bombs to 3 year olds or droping nerve gas on the world.do you see the jews doing sick shit like that.
no cuz there not fucken sick and barbaric.the jews are defanding what is theres.the reast are just sick basterd that want to take shit that ant theres or hate people in the name of there fucked up religons and gods.
the are full of hate greed and they are a blamish to all man kind.
they blow up youre fellow amercans"or are you even true to youre cuntry"
and laugh about it.evry one of them fucken pricks ether helped to fund atacks on the us or did it,or injoyed the fact that it happend.
they would love to kill you me and evry one elce on this forum just for being an amercan or any thing elce but a towel head that beleaves what they beleave.
like I said fuck them all I hope they die.die for all that they are.for what they have don to me and evry one of my brothers.if asked I will gladly pic up my rifle and hope on the next plan over there to help kill them all.
 
"The Israeli vessel, a Saar 5-class missile ship named the “Spear,” was heading to its home port in Israel on Saturday, the army said.


A military official said the ship is one of the most technologically advanced in the Israeli fleet, boasting an array of Harpoon and Gabriel missiles, along with a system for electronically jamming attacking missiles and other threats.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information, said the missile detection and deflection system was not operating, apparently because the sailors did not anticipate such an attack."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13875121/
 
4everhung said:
"The Israeli vessel, a Saar 5-class missile ship named the “Spear,” was heading to its home port in Israel on Saturday, the army said.


A military official said the ship is one of the most technologically advanced in the Israeli fleet, boasting an array of Harpoon and Gabriel missiles, along with a system for electronically jamming attacking missiles and other threats.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information, said the missile detection and deflection system was not operating, apparently because the sailors did not anticipate such an attack."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13875121/

Repeating the mistakes of the Starke. The CIWS wasn't turned on and was hit by the same style missile.
 
heh heh...NICE!!! While I agree with the killing parts, I am "a bit" less apt to blindly allign myself with Israel because the big black box told me to. I actually agree with "the terrorists" and share their disdain for Israel. (However, when the dust clears, I hope they're ALL gone). Also, the reason that suicide bombers are used against Israel is that they're successful. (When you're out-gunned, sometimes you must resort to extreme measures to be able to continue fighting).

Also, does anyone else find humor in the reporting of "battle statistics"? Every time Israel fires any munitions, they take out some terrorists. Every time the other side attacks, they hit a grandmother and her grandkids!!! Fuckin' Hilarious. What a load of shit.

Gjohn, I'm afraid GW already bit (Iraq was Israel's #1 enemy in the middle east when we went in). But it IS funny to watch how he and his cabinet respond to recent developments!

Hansel, you are correct. The jews' BEST defense is to victimize themselves. Throughout history, that is all they have ever done. Hell, it works for everyone else, too! Against affirmative action? RACIST! Against illegal immigration? RACIST! Question Israel and jews? ANTI-SEMITE!

Those of us who "think outside the box", as you put it, definitely get it. I just wish more people would wake up and think for themselves.
 
boss_ said:
heh heh...NICE!!! While I agree with the killing parts, I am "a bit" less apt to blindly allign myself with Israel because the big black box told me to. I actually agree with "the terrorists" and share their disdain for Israel. (However, when the dust clears, I hope they're ALL gone). Also, the reason that suicide bombers are used against Israel is that they're successful. (When you're out-gunned, sometimes you must resort to extreme measures to be able to continue fighting).

Also, does anyone else find humor in the reporting of "battle statistics"? Every time Israel fires any munitions, they take out some terrorists. Every time the other side attacks, they hit a grandmother and her grandkids!!! Fuckin' Hilarious. What a load of shit.

Gjohn, I'm afraid GW already bit (Iraq was Israel's #1 enemy in the middle east when we went in). But it IS funny to watch how he and his cabinet respond to recent developments!

Hansel, you are correct. The jews' BEST defense is to victimize themselves. Throughout history, that is all they have ever done. Hell, it works for everyone else, too! Against affirmative action? RACIST! Against illegal immigration? RACIST! Question Israel and jews? ANTI-SEMITE!

Those of us who "think outside the box", as you put it, definitely get it. I just wish more people would wake up and think for themselves.


The Zionist Jews definitely need their homeland so they can (hopefully speaking) stop using America as their puppet for their own gains. Think about it: how much hatred did Arabs have for America before we, the most powerful nation on earth, endorsed Israel/Jews and funded them with practically whatever they needed for their righteous cause? I'm guessing quite a bit less.
Although in the Jews' defense, why Arabs, given all the other land they occupy already, can't let the Jews have what according to religious history is theirs (as small a piece of land as it is), is beyond me. Although I doubt that would satisfy them entirely, it would certainly be a good start.
 
Your home gets ravaged, destroyed, obliterated; your family and loved ones die and perish as a result of a criminal act by an external agent, for instance a criminal or an enemy.

What do you do or what is the thought that runs through your head....Revenge.

You then go seek retribution and exact revenge in the way you feel is appropriate. The legal system, media and Publin label you as a killer, murderer, criminal.

Now, the israel army goes in to Palestine, responds to children throwing stone and meets it with artillery fire from a tank. It destroys civillian homes and kills civillians as a result of indiscriminate airstrikes and a cohort of military action.

This is classed as "Israel defending itself against the terrorists" etc speech.

The palestinian who seeks revenge as a result of losses incurred, whether this be a suicide bombing mission is labelled a terrorist.

Now, in the UK if i was to even show any kind of sympathy to Palestinians and suggest Israel is the brutal aggressor, i would be perceived as being anti-semetic and be arrested under bogus laws.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
It's amazing how many people don't or aren't even willing to acknowledge this possibility, or further more realize how much sense it makes. I think the residual guilt throughout the decades over the Holocaust might have something to do with it. Really, out of all the other genocides and mass killings in history, which one do you constantly hear the most of, and often described as being the worst? Have you ever seen a Jew being negatively portrayed in any tv show/cartoon/movie like most other groups have been?

I.m.o., Jews bring anti-Semitism on themselves more than anything.
I wondered myself when I was more naive why anyone would be hostile towards Jews, until I thought outside the box for a change. All it takes is to ask oneself some questions and be willing to look at it from an underdog's point of view.

And Boss, the last couple of succeeding points you brought up could very possibly take care of themselves, one after another.

Where's our slave reparations??
Where's my tribal nation genocide reparations??

Ooh , there were going to give me a few dollars in college for being Cherokee weren't they...
 
gjohnson5 said:
Where's our slave reparations??
Where's my tribal nation genocide reparations??

Ooh , there were going to give me a few dollars in college for being Cherokee weren't they...


I wouldn't know, I'm not Indian or African American. Although the government says they're making strides to compensate past ill treatments of minorities. What, you didn't get any money yet? :rolleyes:
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
I wouldn't know, I'm not Indian or African American. Although the government says they're making strides to compensate past ill treatments of minorities. What, you didn't get any money yet? :rolleyes:


I just wanted you to think how stupid your statements were. No ,they were moronic and preschoolish. :rolleyes:

And no I don't take money for reasons such as that
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
The Zionist Jews definitely need their homeland so they can (hopefully speaking) stop using America as their puppet for their own gains. Think about it: how much hatred did Arabs have for America before we, the most powerful nation on earth, endorsed Israel/Jews and funded them with practically whatever they needed for their righteous cause? I'm guessing quite a bit less.
Although in the Jews' defense, why Arabs, given all the other land they occupy already, can't let the Jews have what according to religious history is theirs (as small a piece of land as it is), is beyond me. Although I doubt that would satisfy them entirely, it would certainly be a good start.
my grandfather did a lot of business with aramco in the 50s and 60s
I got some cool souveniers
aramco is the saudi national oil company
I have pictures of him with arabs and around the pyramids and shit
 
gjohnson5 said:
I just wanted you to think how stupid your statements were. No ,they were moronic and preschoolish. :rolleyes:

And no I don't take money for reasons such as that


Your statements were off the mark to begin with; either that or we're not on the same page.


4ever, yep it was a different world back then.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
Your statements were off the mark to begin with; either that or we're not on the same page.


4ever, yep it was a different world back then.

It could be that we are off the mark, but I don't think so

I would like you to go read around the internet and find just one 1/2 way credible source who thinks that America will enter a war over guilt for the holocaust and I will take back everything I said.

If this is not the point of these comments
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6436883&postcount=113
Then please explain further...

I've read how neoconservative lobbyist may have influenced Bush to attack Iraq and may do it again here. I simply don't believe a religious group has that much influence much less a minority one.
 
neither "side" has the moral high ground
the US should walk away from this shit
Iran is winning this so far
 
gjohnson5 said:
I've read how neoconservative lobbyist may have influenced Bush to attack Iraq and may do it again here. I simply don't believe a religious group has that much influence much less a minority one.

AIPAC one of the biggest lobbies in DC

not a religious group, per se.
 
gjohnson5 said:
It could be that we are off the mark, but I don't think so

I would like you to go read around the internet and find just one 1/2 way credible source who thinks that America will enter a war over guilt for the holocaust and I will take back everything I said.

If this is not the point of these comments
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6436883&postcount=113
Then please explain further...

I've read how neoconservative lobbyist may have influenced Bush to attack Iraq and may do it again here. I simply don't believe a religious group has that much influence much less a minority one.

SOme people think Bush attack Iraq so Saddam wouldn't be a threat to Israel. So now that the US is occupying Iraq , Iran will have to go through Iraq to attack Israel.

Here's this is pretty interesting

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/pathtowar.html

William Hamilton "Bush Began to Plan War Three Months After 9/11"
The Washington Post (USA)
April 17, 2004

Now, a new firsthand account of life in the US Defense Department shows just how pro-Israeli groups exerted their influence from within the government. Karen Kwiatkowski retired as a lieutenant colonel in the US Air Force after two decades of distinguished service. Her last posting was at the Near East South Asia (NESA) directorate at the Pentagon. In a lengthy article in the online journal Salon.com, Kwiatkowski writes, "From May 2002 until February 2003, I observed firsthand the formation of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans and watched the latter stages of the neoconservative capture of the policy-intelligence nexus in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq." The "seizure of the reins of US Middle East policy," Kwiatkowski recounts, "was directly visible to many of us working in the Near East South Asia Policy office, and yet there seemed to be little any of us could do about it." All this happened under the watch of Bill Luti, the deputy secretary of defense for NESA, and went up and down the chain of command. Some of the specific incidents Kwiatkowski recalls are illustrative: "Longtime office director Joe McMillan was reassigned to the National Defense University. The director's job in the time of transition was to help bring the newly appointed deputy assistant secretary up to speed, ensure office continuity, act as a resource relating to regional histories and policies ... Removing such a critical continuity factor was not only unusual but also seemed like willful handicapping." Kwiatkowski said "the expertise on Mideast policy was not only being removed, but was also being exchanged for that from various agenda-bearing think tanks, including the Middle East Media Research Institute, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs." The main agenda of all these organizations is advocating closer US-Israel ties. She saw the "replacement of the civilian head of the Israel, Lebanon and Syria desk office with a young political appointee from the Washington Institute, David Schenker. Word was that the former experienced civilian desk officer tended to be evenhanded toward the policies of Israeli Premier Ariel Sharon of Israel, but there were complaints and he was gone." As the personnel changed, so did the atmosphere; Kwiatkowski recalls that a "career civil servant rather unhappily advised me that if I wanted to be successful here, I'd better remember not to say anything positive about the Palestinians." In an official meeting at which Kwiatkowski was present, Luti openly called Marine General, former Chief of Central Command, and Middle East envoy Anthony Zinni, a "traitor" for having reservations about the march to war, and open contempt and calls for Secretary of State Colin Powell to resign were common. What she observed until her voluntary early retirement was nothing less than a full- scale assault on the intelligence and policymaking apparatus of the United States. She witnessed intelligence and careful analysis being replaced with propaganda, falsehoods and manipulation and fed to the Congress and the Executive Office of the President. This "fear peddling" was, Kwiatkowski writes, "designed to take Congress and the country into a war of executive choice, a war based on false pretenses." Ali Abunimah "It's worse than you thought: pro-Israel influence on US policy" The Electronic Intifada (USA)
March 15, 2004 http://electronicintifada.net/
v2/article2503.shtml
 
gjohnson5 said:
It could be that we are off the mark, but I don't think so

I would like you to go read around the internet and find just one 1/2 way credible source who thinks that America will enter a war over guilt for the holocaust and I will take back everything I said.

If this is not the point of these comments
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6436883&postcount=113
Then please explain further...

I've read how neoconservative lobbyist may have influenced Bush to attack Iraq and may do it again here. I simply don't believe a religious group has that much influence much less a minority one.


I shouldn't have to explain myself any further than what I have, and no, guilt over the Holocaust has nothing to do with this war. Before jumping on my back with an emotion-charged response, calling my comments "childish" and "stupid", perhaps using a little more discretion and acknowledging the fact that there are possibilties you might not have previously thought of before would keep things more civil around here. :)


4ever, I agree with you; we need to stay out of this war, although it seems unlikely. As you probably know it will only further anger the Arabs and incite more terrorism and hostility towards us, but then if we abandon our support of Israel we'll be pissing them off too. Fun times. Ehh.
 
well now it's coming together
Iran has to seriously consider our 140000 or so combat seasoned troops on both of their asses
Iran and Iraq futzed around for 8 years in the 80s trying to gain an advantage against each other
you do know Iran and Iraq fought an 8 year war
and not in the middle ages either
 
good reading...

this will end in nuclear warfare... all the predictions are right in front of us. this is the start of the 30 year war in the ME.

geez, i may have to head to church for the first time in 25 years.
 
gjohnson5 said:
Noone said anything about this war, including yourself in post 113.

Or better yet , what this war could possibly turn into

Without another interpretation, my comments will stand.

Originally Posted by gjohnson5

I would like you to go read around the internet and find just one 1/2 way credible source who thinks that America will enter a war over guilt for the holocaust and I will take back everything I said.


Given the topic of this thread it safe to say you were implicitly referring to this war. But anyways like I said maybe we were on different pages there.

Your comments will stand, as will mine. I credit the First Amendment.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
Originally Posted by gjohnson5

I would like you to go read around the internet and find just one 1/2 way credible source who thinks that America will enter a war over guilt for the holocaust and I will take back everything I said.


Given the topic of this thread it safe to say you were implicitly referring to this war. But anyways like I said maybe we were on different pages there.

Your comments will stand, as will mine. I credit the First Amendment.

No, I think we were on the same page and you just don't have a better answer because your comments were stupid , preschoolish and moronic... Just as I stated

Yes , the first Amendment is a wonderful thing isn't it....
 
4everhung said:
"The Israeli vessel, a Saar 5-class missile ship named the “Spear,” was heading to its home port in Israel on Saturday, the army said.


A military official said the ship is one of the most technologically advanced in the Israeli fleet, boasting an array of Harpoon and Gabriel missiles, along with a system for electronically jamming attacking missiles and other threats.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information, said the missile detection and deflection system was not operating, apparently because the sailors did not anticipate such an attack."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13875121/
Whooops!
 
SublimeZM said:
im just gunna point out two things i dont like:
2) "terrorists at war with israel". so the israelis attacking the palastenians and souther lebanon are soldiers, but those attacking the israelis are terrorists? lol@that. in my opinion the terrorists are the ones blowing up airports,
The Hezbollah operate a muslim militia that has de facto contol over Southern Lebanon. The nation of Lebanon has allowed this to occur, so in effect they condone Hezbollah's actions. There has been a status quo for several years, allowing the Hezbollah to kidnap any Israeli soldiers in a DMZ. & Israel has counterred with attaqcks on things like Electrical plants & such. Hezbollah has frequently stated their intent to enter Israel with the intent of kidnapping, & Israel in turn has said, do not do it, or we will retaliate, like never before. These Israeli soldiers were taken from inside Israel's borders, basically from an invasion. Israel has retaliated.
I think the nation of Israel has sunk to the level of their aggressors, but they have been in that quagmire since '47.
 
gjohnson5 said:
No, I think we were on the same page and you just don't have a better answer because your comments were stupid , preschoolish and moronic... Just as I stated

Yes , the first Amendment is a wonderful thing isn't it....


What do you want me to say, that you were right? I'm done arguing with you, since apparently that is all that would please your one dimensional train of thought. I've looked at the issue from all angles, and that was my conclusion imo. Attacking me for it only proves your immaturity. But if you think you've gotten the world figured out, by all means, correct me, almighty one.
 
this could be a cityfight
I love cityfights
I'm watching Isreali self-propelled arty with stacks of shells indiscrimately firing into Beirut
 
some son of a bitch w/o too much education has to haul those heavy ass 155mm shells to SParty
 
self-propelled and protected arty was designed to follow a breakthrough and provide "on the run" arty support for advancing friendlys
not to just sit back and shell
 
If you think the tech edge IsreaL enjoys gives an edge
backtrack to the beginning of the Iraq war
when so called surgical strikes got saddam
welcome to cityfight
 
the best answer
George says
lets rid the holyland of these fuckin' jews
just kind of wipe the slate
alright you can have this holy real estate
cut the rest of the crap out and we'll help you realize profits
 
4everhung said:
they're just as fuckin' sick and polluted minded as their targets
That's what I meant in my quote above. They've been duking it out since the '40s & have almost sunk to the level of their attackers. With a little thought, over the past coupla decades, they could've P.R.'d this to their advantage.
 
HiDnGoD said:
That's what I meant in my quote above. They've been duking it out since the '40s & have almost sunk to the level of their attackers. With a little thought, over the past coupla decades, they could've P.R.'d this to their advantage.


They have been, but I think they're slowly losing their edge out there.
 
Success does not breed more terrorists. Nor does failure. Birth breeds more terrorists. These people have been conditioned for centuries to hate Isreal and the jews. It is not going to stop. Isreal civilians are considered to be nothing but targets too. Attacks are not limited to just Isreali military units. There is no distinction between soldier and civilians for the Muslim. Any Isreali, any jew is the enemy. I honestly do not care a bit about Isreal killing off a few civilians. It's sad, but for Isreal it is a way of life as every single one of their citizens are despised and marked for death by neighboring enemies. This shit isn't going to change. 500 years from now, barring natural disaster that sends all the Middle East under the sea, or beneath the Earth, this shit will still be taking place.

Personally what I am hoping for is that Iran jumps the gun and does some dumb shit to piss off Isreal. Then we can sit back and watch Isreal take care of all our Iranian concerns for us. If I were President I would tell the Middle East "if you can't get along then you need to get it on". And then watch Isreal just blow them all away.
 
Because Isreal is just looking for an excuse to blast Lebanon.. and it gives them the opportunity to do so.. but also to tease Syria into a fight. And Im sure they'd love to bitch slap Syria around.

I dont like Isreal's politics but you gotta admit.. they can pretty much roll over all of their neighbors thanks to all the hardware we have given em and the years of combat experience they have.

Isreal is going to cause a lot of problems for the western world if they dont stop this shit now
 
milo hobgoblin said:
Because Isreal is just looking for an excuse to blast Lebanon.. and it gives them the opportunity to do so.. but also to tease Syria into a fight. And Im sure they'd love to bitch slap Syria around.

I dont like Isreal's politics but you gotta admit.. they can pretty much roll over all of their neighbors thanks to all the hardware we have given em and the years of combat experience they have.

Isreal is going to cause a lot of problems for the western world if they dont stop this shit now


Israel isn't going to war with Syria

They are going to attempt weakening Hezbollah enough that the Lebanese Government has a chance of taking back their country from this group without sparking an out civil war again between the Sunnis and Shia.

Israel wants the new regime in Lebanon to work, but they are second rate power in their own country and have largely had to cede the south to Hezbollah.
 
AAP said:
Success does not breed more terrorists. Nor does failure. Birth breeds more terrorists. These people have been conditioned for centuries to hate Isreal and the jews. It is not going to stop. Isreal civilians are considered to be nothing but targets too. Attacks are not limited to just Isreali military units. There is no distinction between soldier and civilians for the Muslim. Any Isreali, any jew is the enemy. I honestly do not care a bit about Isreal killing off a few civilians. It's sad, but for Isreal it is a way of life as every single one of their citizens are despised and marked for death by neighboring enemies. This shit isn't going to change. 500 years from now, barring natural disaster that sends all the Middle East under the sea, or beneath the Earth, this shit will still be taking place.

Personally what I am hoping for is that Iran jumps the gun and does some dumb shit to piss off Isreal. Then we can sit back and watch Isreal take care of all our Iranian concerns for us. If I were President I would tell the Middle East "if you can't get along then you need to get it on". And then watch Isreal just blow them all away.

Likely what it comes down to. Iran is a big foe however.
 
Isreal can't decide who to oppress more : Gaza or Lebanon. Jews hate muslims and have no desire to leave them alone and let them form their own country. Which would end all this.

Thus, i feel no sorrow for Isreal. They know how to end this. Stop oppressing and killing innocent muslims. When people are oppressed, people inevitably fight back.
 
Thus, i feel no sorrow for Isreal. They know how to end this. Stop oppressing and killing innocent muslims. When people are oppressed, people inevitably fight back.

Amazing.. they still havnt stopped bitching about the Nazis.. yet they treat muslims the same way Nazis treated them. But instead of sticking them in camps.. they use some bullshit excuse to bomb the fuck out of em in their own homes.
 
milo hobgoblin said:
Amazing.. they still havnt stopped bitching about the Nazis.. yet they treat muslims the same way Nazis treated them. But instead of sticking them in camps.. they use some bullshit excuse to bomb the fuck out of em in their own homes.

word

To a muslim child growing up in gaza - jews ARE the nazis to him. Guess who's gonna bomb his house and kill his parents sometime in his childhood. It's no surprise it's easy to recruit suicide bombers.
 
Razorguns said:
word

To a muslim child growing up in gaza - jews ARE the nazis to him. Guess who's gonna bomb his house and kill his parents sometime in his childhood. It's no surprise it's easy to recruit suicide bombers.

Why then is the Muslim minority in Israel treated so well?
 
Razorguns said:
word

To a muslim child growing up in gaza - jews ARE the nazis to him. Guess who's gonna bomb his house and kill his parents sometime in his childhood. It's no surprise it's easy to recruit suicide bombers.


By your logic we were the nazis to the nazis in WWII
 
Phenom78 said:
By your logic we were the nazis to the nazis in WWII

we bombed and oppressed innocent germans and took over their government for ages?

Tell ya this much - after hiroshima, if the us was next door to japan, we'd probably get lots of suicide bombers too. Only an ocean protected us.
 
redguru said:
Daylight bombing raids were primarily against civilian targets in Berlin.
actaully all over
german armaments production peaked when our bombing campaign peaked
we wiped out the cities and the "regular" jobs
people survive and under the direction of the quite capable Albert Speer german industry was moved underground and into the countryside
the peeps with no jobs went to work making bullets
they ran out of fuel and men eventaully
 
gjohnson5 said:
Where's our slave reparations??
Where's my tribal nation genocide reparations??

Ooh , there were going to give me a few dollars in college for being Cherokee weren't they...

Are you proud to be standing there with your hand out?
 
Birth breeds more terrorists.

Worng. Birth creates a human being, a neonate that shows no real cerebral involvment other than the functions that are necessary for its survival.

These people have been conditioned for centuries to hate Isreal and the jews.

What makes you so sure?

There is no distinction between soldier and civilians for the Muslim.
Any Isreali, any jew is the enemy.

Not for all muslims or muslims in general, i assume you mean extremists. Get it right.

I honestly do not care a bit about Isreal killing off a few civilians.

I find your lack of concern for loss of innocent life sad and somewhat more, but i won't go into the adjectives.

Personally what I am hoping for is that Iran jumps the gun and does some dumb shit to piss off Isreal. Then we can sit back and watch Isreal take care of all our Iranian concerns for us. If I were President I would tell the Middle East "if you can't get along then you need to get it on". And then watch Isreal just blow them all away.

You want to see a full blown conflict where isreal obliterates, mass murders all, including millions of innocent civillians.

Are you completrly insane, irrevocably stupid or mentally deficient?
 
I don't concern myself with the loss of "innocent" life
If I did I wouldn't have any space remaining for other thought
 
Blue Star said:
Worng. Birth creates a human being, a neonate that shows no real cerebral involvment other than the functions that are necessary for its survival.



What makes you so sure?

There is no distinction between soldier and civilians for the Muslim.

Not for all muslims or muslims in general, i assume you mean extremists. Get it right.



I find your lack of concern for loss of innocent life sad and somewhat more, but i won't go into the adjectives.



You want to see a full blown conflict where isreal obliterates, mass murders all, including millions of innocent civillians.

Are you completrly insane, irrevocably stupid or mentally deficient?

#1 If you quote me, leave my name in there. I am rather narcisstic like that.

#2 If you disagree, then post something contrary rather than mindless drivel and objection.
 
Razorguns said:
word

To a muslim child growing up in gaza - jews ARE the nazis to him. Guess who's gonna bomb his house and kill his parents sometime in his childhood. It's no surprise it's easy to recruit suicide bombers.


Hezbollah troops being sworn in-
Lebanese_Hezbollah_recruts_being_sworn_in.jpg


Hmmm that looks kinda familiar! Scare tactics, anyone?

Actually the Romans are the ones who invented the salute from the get go; although it was slightly different than the variation the Nazis much later adopted, and now these guys.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
Hezbollah troops being sworn in-
Lebanese_Hezbollah_recruts_being_sworn_in.jpg


Hmmm that looks kinda familiar! Scare tactics, anyone?

Actually the Romans are the ones who invented the salute from the get go; although it was slightly different than the variation the Nazis much later adopted, and now these guys.


can't anybody be original, how about they do the funky chicken as a salute?
 
Lmao!!
 
#1 If you quote me, leave my name in there. I am rather narcisstic like that.

You mean you're stupid and have the mmeory of a ameoba because you can't remember what you wrote?


#2 If you disagree, then post something contrary rather than mindless drivel and objection.

I did disagree, and it was you who posted mindless drivel amongst other things.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Israel is surrounded by Islamofascists who do not recognize their right to exist and who also are committed to their extermination. They are not in the mood to fuck around right now.


dullboy says this is the point that seems to get lost on so many.

we don't have to figure out on our own the goal of most of the surrounding states of israel, because they come right out and say it. just to be clear - it's the total destruction of israel.


also - people to seem to be conviently forgetting that lebanon constantly fires these missle into isael as a means of terrifying israel. this isn't something new.


dullboy thinks that rather than engage in hyperbole, people should just be honest and admit whether or not israel should exist.
 
dullboy, when you say lebanon fires missiles, do you mean hezbollah?

yes it comes from lebanon but its them firing. it is similar to the way the distinction between al Quaeda and Iraq or Afghanistan and Taliban get blurred. am I following correctly?
 
bignate73 said:
dullboy, when you say lebanon fires missiles, do you mean hezbollah?

yes it comes from lebanon but its them firing. it is similar to the way the distinction between al Quaeda and Iraq or Afghanistan and Taliban get blurred. am I following correctly?



the lebanese people/government allow hezbollah to operate unfettered in their nation.

if the reason is because the lebanese government is powerless against hezbollah, then how should israel protect itself?


most people don't seem to understand the dynamics here.

once again, sadly, the only solution to this issue is the destruction of israel.

the most dangerous rhetoric comes from ahmadinezhad. he's educated and he's a smart motherfucker. he argues that if israel was created by the national guilt of the germans for ww2, then israel should exist in germany or somewhere else.

logically, he makes it almost impossible to argue intellectually against his claim.
 
dullboy said:
once again, sadly, the only solution to this issue is the destruction of israel.


or the destruction of islam.
or the destruction of palestine.

or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
or someone giving up jerusalem.
 
Blue Star said:
You mean you're stupid and have the mmeory of a ameoba because you can't remember what you wrote?




I did disagree, and it was you who posted mindless drivel amongst other things.


#1 I know exactly what I wrote. I want my name in there so other people know I wrote it as well.

#2 The fact you have yet to master the simple task of quoting someone automatically with their name included is the pinnacle of irony for you calling someone stupid.

#3 You have yet to disagree, all I have seen thus far is simpleton whining and braying. All of which gives an accurate portrait of the dimwitted person sitting behind the keyboard attempting a shallow debate with inane posts and replies. Perhaps you should stick to things more on your intellectual level. Say, Candyland?
 
milo hobgoblin said:
Amazing.. they still havnt stopped bitching about the Nazis.. yet they treat muslims the same way Nazis treated them. But instead of sticking them in camps.. they use some bullshit excuse to bomb the fuck out of em in their own homes.

Exactly!
 
Phenom78 said:
How awful. Please name me which town was entirely destroyed by the jews in this effort. Apparently everyone but you missed it.

You dipsticks amaze me. Here you have a terrorist organization in Hezbollah indiscriminately lobbing hundreds of missiles into civilian populations indiscriminately, without even a pretense of trying not to hit civilians with the strikes. This after starting the conflict by invading a soveriegn nation and killing and kidnapping their citizens.

But what pisses you off is targeting specific terrorist properties, through which they run their operations, which at times unfortunately leads to the deaths of some civilians who either consciously or unconsciously (I choose the former) lived near these places. Then you make up shit about leveling towns





And I make no effort to hide my contempt for your being such an ignorant backward piece of shit.

Im glad you're upfront about acknowledging your stupidity. It saves me the effort of having to pretend you arent the moron you clearly demonstrate yourself to be.

Great post. The ignorance I see being demonstrated here is frightening. I can't figure out if it's a lack of intelligence, education, or immaturity.
 
Award for best post goes to.................4everhung.

As he so eloquently stated, neither side has the moral high ground.
 
Originally Posted by AAP

#1 I know exactly what I wrote. I want my name in there so other people know I wrote it as well.

#2 The fact you have yet to master the simple task of quoting someone automatically with their name included is the pinnacle of irony for you calling someone stupid.

#3 You have yet to disagree, all I have seen thus far is simpleton whining and braying. All of which gives an accurate portrait of the dimwitted person sitting behind the keyboard attempting a shallow debate with inane posts and replies. Perhaps you should stick to things more on your intellectual level. Say, Candyland?

Your name was not quoted due to laziness on my behalf, for which it seemed to irk you. Personally, your comments deserved zero recognition but i felt it sensible to offer an alternative viewpoint or corrective stance, if you wish.

You still seem intent on making disparaging comments of a personal nature. Is that because you can't debate, argue or discuss rationally and intellectually about the topic in hand or simply because you don't have your own views, and are merely parroting others?

Candyland, honestly never heard of it. But you seem to be well versed, so maybe thats indicative of your IQ.
 
Blue Star said:
Your name was not quoted due to laziness on my behalf, for which it seemed to irk you. Personally, your comments deserved zero recognition but i felt it sensible to offer an alternative viewpoint or corrective stance, if you wish.

You still seem intent on making disparaging comments of a personal nature. Is that because you can't debate, argue or discuss rationally and intellectually about the topic in hand or simply because you don't have your own views, and are merely parroting others?

Candyland, honestly never heard of it. But you seem to be well versed, so maybe thats indicative of your IQ.


LOL

AAP pwned once again

Dont feel too proud though it happens about 50 times a day
 
Phenom78 said:
LOL

AAP pwned once again

Dont feel too proud though it happens about 50 times a day


Hardly. Unlike you who was cornered over a very simple yes or no question and unable to answer.

It will take more than an idiot to pwn me. Such as you are.
 
Blue Star said:
Your name was not quoted due to laziness on my behalf, for which it seemed to irk you. Personally, your comments deserved zero recognition but i felt it sensible to offer an alternative viewpoint or corrective stance, if you wish.

You still seem intent on making disparaging comments of a personal nature. Is that because you can't debate, argue or discuss rationally and intellectually about the topic in hand or simply because you don't have your own views, and are merely parroting others?

Candyland, honestly never heard of it. But you seem to be well versed, so maybe thats indicative of your IQ.


I see you finally got the quote thing right. Good going, that shows improvement. Once again I see rather than offer anything contradictory to my original post that got your prepubscent panties in a twist you instead deliver the typical harangue speech that is expect of ones like you that have nothing to say yet continue to babble gibberish.

More your speed here dare I say?

http://www.trinityofiniquity.com/srs3/candyland.jpg
 
BigRupe said:
Great post. The ignorance I see being demonstrated here is frightening. I can't figure out if it's a lack of intelligence, education, or immaturity.

Yeah, bigrupe, way to enlighten me and share your "knowledge" and intelligence. Jesus Christ. :rolleyes:
Go to your room (and take some cock pictures). STFU: The adults are talking...

phenom, since I missed that post, let me set you straight.

1. Which town? How about the whole of Lebanon, ass wipe. Not too good at analogies in English class, were ya? Make no mistake, Lebanon is being destroyed.

2. SOLDIERS were kidnapped, not civilians, you dumbass. Did the U.S. start bombing entire areas of Iraq when our soldiers were captured? (NO, because that would not get them back, it would only kill innocent civilians). Israel jumped at the chance to start fucking shit up. End of story. If it was ANY other country than Israel, the U.S. would be bombing the shit out of it and sending in troops.

3. SOME civilians? Check out the ratio of innocents killed / number of "terrorists". (It's the other way around, smart guy). And who the fuck are you to determine what parts of town civilians live? Ridiculous. Nor did I "make shit up" about leveling towns. (See #1)

4. If this wasn't an online forum, I GUARANTEE you that you would hide your contempt for me. But I get it. You're an online tough guy who gets his "intelligence ammunition" from CNN and Fox News (sounding boards for the U.S. administration). But I'M the moron, blah blah blah, (insert some silly name)...whatever.

My hope is that these animals will bring Iran into it, get nuked, and then everyone will kill each other off. No more problem. (However, I don't think we'll get out of it without thousands more of our troops dying for Israel).

You need to do some independent research to be able to see the big picture. Stop watching TV (The big 'Israel Infomercial'). It's dumbing you down---if that's possible. In general, the stereotype that Americans don't give a shit about what happens outside of the U.S. is dead-on, from what I've seen. Couple that with our gullability for propaganda and you have a deadly combination.

-You have been, once again, intellectually raped...with bigrupe's dick. Goddamn, I feel sorry for ya.
 
Talking about the Hezbollah and terrorists lol..... didnt the jews have something called Irgun and the Stern Gang back in the 30's/40's ? I believe they were responsible for a few deadly bombings (including the King David hotel)....
 
I have yet to be pwned, let alone by simpleton bitches like either of you.

Shouldn't you be formulating some 6 paragraph whining nonsense to post in return? Isn't that how you normally operate? Dodge and whine?
 
You must be desperate. You quote the same post twice just to add more lame comments.

Maybe tomorrow will not be so suckalicious for you than today was. Then again, I doubt it.

In the meantime continue to show the EF village what an e-idiot you truly are. Which isn't hard as everyone already knows it.
 
AAP said:
You must be desperate. You quote the same post twice just to add more lame comments.

Maybe tomorrow will not be so suckalicious for you than today was. Then again, I doubt it.

In the meantime continue to show the EF village what an e-idiot you truly are. Which isn't hard as everyone already knows it.


You're right

I'm being mean

Tell you what, I'll ask all the other guys to type slower to help you keep up
 
Originally Posted by AAP
I see you finally got the quote thing right. Good going, that shows improvement.

Thankyou for the compliment, did it stick in your throat?

Once again I see rather than offer anything contradictory to my original post that got your prepubscent panties in a twist you instead deliver the typical harangue speech that is expect of ones like you that have nothing to say yet continue to babble gibberish.

prepubscent panties? Candyland? How old are you exactly mate? Are you intellectually and cereberally retarded or are you just plain old stupid? Either way, i'm sorry to add, there is no cure for either condition.

And what exactly do you think you're doing? I certainly don't see any intellectual material being served up here. I think you seem intent on getting retribution for getting panned online, and it probably takes you all day to respond due to slow neuronal activity.

So stop contradicting yourself because you only seem to serve the purpose of dumbing yourself down, and looking like a juvenile with a dick in his hand.

Originally Posted by Phenom78

Don't try to debate retards bro. Just smile and ignore them

Ha, i wouldn't even call this a debate. I think AAP is just irritated that no matter how hard he tries to sound intellectual by his monosyllable adjectives, he's only creating the opposite effect by posting material that has no relevance.

It's ironic really. But i suppose somebody better explain irony to him before he falls short on that one. ;)

Originally Posted by AAP

I have yet to be pwned, let alone by simpleton bitches like either of you.

Denial, the most predictable of human responses, and he certainly seems that.

Originally Posted by AAP

Shouldn't you be formulating some 6 paragraph whining nonsense to post in return? Isn't that how you normally operate? Dodge and whine?

There you go again, contradicting yourself. Ironic, you see, there's that word. Now stop whining and go suck on a candy or something. You seem like to candyland as you post it everytime. The beauty of kids.
;)
 
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