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Why I don't believe in God. Those who believe, please help me understand...

unOwho -

Im a Christian. Not a good one, but I beleive in Christ. Im not Catholic. Early in my faith, I was introduced to Pentacostalism/fundamentalism. I had a personal experience with Christ, so i could never truthfully say, he doesnt exist.

Im not a big fan of Catholicism because they emphasise the preist as intercessor, rather than Christ. But as youve read, Ive got problems with God, so I dont know what Christian sect I fall in.

HumorMe-

thanks for the compliments man. I appreciate it. Actually, your posts and a couple other peoples motivated me to write what I did.
 
strongchick said:
religion. useful for controlling the masses for political ends.

When I die, everything will go black. Nothing more.

I'm sorry you feel like that! Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
 
to paraphrase Arthur C Clarke again, "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, the nonexistence of Zeus or Thor, but they have few followers now"

I move for a no-confidence vote in God, and the election of a new Supreme Deity.
Who seconds the motion?
 
uNOwho... I appreciate you writing in a language I can understand. And what you write has a lot of relevance. As this thread continues, there are many things pointed out to me, by you guys, and even in my own mind, that I didn't notice before. Some of it makes a lot of sense to me, some of it does not. I'm glad you have taken the time to write what you have.

That post made a lot of sense to me.

Buddy28.... WHERE THE HELL DID THAT COME FROM!? Very nice. As Crazier said... I was totally into that post... and was actually disappointed when it ended. I think you pointed out many good things, along the lines of what the guys are saying here.

It angers me in a way, because that's what I've always understood. God knows what's going to happen to all of us... when it's going to happen... and why. Such as the case when my brother died. He died 10 feet in front of me, screaming out my name... did I blame God?

No.

I blamed myself. I still do. He drowned. And I didn't get to him to help him when he needed me. So I feel as if I might as well have put my foot on his head and held him under.

That's another story. My point is that I didn't blame God for that. In reality, there was no one holding him under. No one was intentionally trying to kill him. It was just life taking an unexpected turn, and his life ending.

Someone smashing in their children's ribs, or killing them by laying A FUCKING SPACE-HEATER DOWN ON THE CHILD... now THAT to me is why I question God.

He knew the guy was going to literally cook his child. That the child would suffer in unimaginable pain... then die. And God not only knew it would happen, but allowed it.

Why?

If he knows the guy will do it... why have it happen at all?

He knows who will follow him, and who will not. He knows what we will all do, so there isn't really any free will. It's all a plan... we all will follow the plan, be it good or evil, and that's it.

A child, at this very second, is in pain, and afraid, because she was taken from her home... and she will be dead soon. AT THIS VERY MOMENT! If the Pope himself prayed for her, would it change?

No.

Why?

Because it's in the plan for that little girl to go through what she is, because the man is evil, and chose to do evil to her. But God thinks that's okay, because he wants his followers.

And a God who will allow that to happen, even though he knows it's going to, proves he doesn't care about the suffering. He doesn't care how many are harmed...

Why?

Because he wants his followers. He wants us to believe in a book written a very long time ago... with no real basis for our beliefs.

If our civiliation is wiped out, and someone a million years from now, when the life cycle repeats, finds a copy of a Stephen King novel that somehow survived after being buried for all those years... will they interperet the book, and call it their gospel?

How can God just expect us to believe?

You believe what you are taught.

As children we believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny. Why? Because our PARENTS tell us they are real.

Why?

If Santa isn't real, why keep up the charade? What's the point?

I truly don't know. I just know it brings my children joy. They love the Santa thing.

Then they realize that there isn't a Santa out there. There isn't a man in a red suit who loves children the world over, and brings them toys with flying reindeer. They were misled. They were lied to.

But if they aren't raised in church... and don't believe in all that stuff... then they can go to hell, because they don't believe... yet they were never taught... and when they have a mind of their own, they read the bible and it sounds like a bunch of shit. Guys living to be more than 900 years old... building a giant boat to take 2 of every animal.... sorry... but that's just too much to believe.

So we go to hell because we don't believe. Yet he gives us nothing to believe in.

What you wrote kicks total ass. And I appreciate you taking the time. And it sort of backs up what I say... the man is not a father. There isn't a loving father on Earth who would put his children through what God puts his kids through, just to see if they'll praise him.

That isn't love. That's arrogance. And arrogance is evil. So I don't know what to make of it.

Thanks again. That was a fantastic post... I think I'll go read it again.

Island Son... I don't know if I'd go that far. I know there is a higher power... a GOD of some sort. I don't know what he is, or who he is... but I sure as hell don't think he's a "father".
 
Yeah, I'd reccommend reading the deamon haunted world by Carl Sagan or any of his books for that matter. I have read every one of his books and have learned lots.
 
Big Brother Val -

I totally understand what ur saying. Life is a funny thing. I hope God is good, or else what do we have to look forward too? We will see.
 
BBVal; sorry but i don't think you'll find a logically (note the word) satisfying answer.
If we wait for God, there will never be peace and happiness on Earth, or anywhere else we spread to. Why not? Because it's not here now. If a Supreme omnipotent being wanted it, we'd all be born with the knowledge of a million centuries, and hardwired to do the right thing. Either peace is not wanted or not possible.
If it's not possible, then there's either God is different from what we think (more of a demigod with limited powers) or there is none. Maybe a superintelligent presence who could predict a few years into the future, and bring the smackdown on some people who didn't own nukes yet. I could write a convincing sci-fi about it.

If as a true God, master of all time and space, I needed the adoration of a few billion schizoid people on one piddly planet then that couldn't be the legendary God, could it? And if there is,
we're just pets. If I swing back that way, I'll show the Big Being the proper respect, ask for a favor or two, get my mental waves in tune or whatever, but not spend my life bootlicking.

And if "God" created "Satan", there must be evil in him too.
 
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