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Why EQ instead of deca?
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TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT
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keep reading and you'll see they are very different. you need to decide what your goals are. one of those drugs (EQ) is VERY slow acting and is almost not worth it to me IMO. Deca, good for joints, never's done me wrong.kethnaab said:
southpaw45
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Deca and EQ have the highest collagen synthesis rates(what makes your joints feel good), though EQ has a little higher % than deca.
EQ hardens while deca usually gives you more bloat.
EQ hardens while deca usually gives you more bloat.
RADAR
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in more simple terms
EQ will change your body's composition and add some vascularity if your diet is in check, but its not as dramatic as tren
Deca is a mass builder, you want strength & muscle ? then deca packs it on!Deca also at higher dosages has side effects that you need to know how to avoid should they occur.
RADAR
EQ will change your body's composition and add some vascularity if your diet is in check, but its not as dramatic as tren
Deca is a mass builder, you want strength & muscle ? then deca packs it on!Deca also at higher dosages has side effects that you need to know how to avoid should they occur.
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satchboogie
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deca blows away eq and for that matter most steroids period!
Tux
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Personally I prefer EQ for the appetite increase, I can never eat enough to gain weight while bulking without it anymore. Deca I never got anything from at lower doses. Npp at 100mg/day however, kicked ass, too bad I started getting some sides and had to run dostinex and drop the NPP. Next time I'll use a little less nandrolone and some EQ at the same time!
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Anthony Roberts
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Deca and Eq aren't really that alike...
Deca most likely (primarily) stimulates collagen sysnthesis via immunological boosting properties (TH1 and TH2 cells, anti-inflammatory properties, etc...), while Eq likely has bone/collagen stimulating effects via (again, primarily) IGF/GH mediated mechanisms.
One is derived from Testosterone and the other from Nor-Testosterone, so...they aren't really alike in too many ways (very different Anabolic:Androgenic ratios, etc...).
Deca most likely (primarily) stimulates collagen sysnthesis via immunological boosting properties (TH1 and TH2 cells, anti-inflammatory properties, etc...), while Eq likely has bone/collagen stimulating effects via (again, primarily) IGF/GH mediated mechanisms.
One is derived from Testosterone and the other from Nor-Testosterone, so...they aren't really alike in too many ways (very different Anabolic:Androgenic ratios, etc...).
Alex H
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I think you just have to try both before you can make a decision on which is better. These two anabolics are so personal, meaning that most bros who love EQ won't touch Deca and most bros that love Deca won't touch EQ.
I prefer EQ basically for three reasons:
1. Increased appetite. If your bulking, the more food the better.
2. No bloating. The gains made on EQ tend to be of higher quality and are easier to keep. Increased vascularity is always nice too.
3. Low sides - Really don't hear much about EQ dick.
Granted you have to do alot of EQ for a long cycle to get where you want to go, I still prefer it.
I prefer EQ basically for three reasons:
1. Increased appetite. If your bulking, the more food the better.
2. No bloating. The gains made on EQ tend to be of higher quality and are easier to keep. Increased vascularity is always nice too.
3. Low sides - Really don't hear much about EQ dick.
Granted you have to do alot of EQ for a long cycle to get where you want to go, I still prefer it.
Alex H
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Boldenone Undecylenate (Equipoise)
Today, the substance boldenone undecylenate can only be found in steroids for veterinary medicine. The American Equipoise is for horses; the Columbian Ganabol is used for cattle; and the German Vebonol for dogs. Athletes do not care, which shows the enormous popularity and far-reaching application of these steroid compounds. Boldenone undecylenate is also very effective in humans and offers the athlete interesting characteristics which other steroids simply do not have.
Equipoise has a relatively high anabolic effect which is usually connected with a moderately distinct androgenic component. For this reason, Equipoise is not the steroid that will cause enormous gains in strength and muscle mass in the shortest time. Equipoise has a very favorable effect on the organism's nitrogen balance so that the main effect consists of a distinctly increased protein synthesis in the muscle cell. The resulting gain in body weight consists of a solid quality increase of the muscles which occurs slowly and evenly. The high quality is caused by low water retention of the substance. An additional advantage is that Equipoise aromatizes only slightly, thus making it an effective drug to use when preparing for competitions. Athletes who are dieting combine Equipoise with Winstrol Depot and report a dramatic increase in muscle hardness. Together with a sufficiently high supply of calories and protein this combination offers its users a large increase in strength and a rapid gain in quality muscles. Many will notice that Equipoise stimulates the appetite. The advantages achieved can usually be well-maintained over several weeks after use of the compound is discontinued. Equipoise also stimulates the erythropoiesis which is manifested by improved development and the formation of red blood cells. Bodybuilders thus experience an improved pump effect during workout and an improved vascularity
Men have few problems with Equipoise. Since water and salt retentions are low, the blood pressure usually does not increase. Acne, gynecomastia, and increased aggressiveness occur only in rare instances. The feared "steroid fever," which can occur when using veterinary steroids, is rare with Equipoise since the product by Squibb is highly sterile and pure. Those who experience flu-like symptoms when they begin taking the compound should reduce the dosage for a short time.
Today, the substance boldenone undecylenate can only be found in steroids for veterinary medicine. The American Equipoise is for horses; the Columbian Ganabol is used for cattle; and the German Vebonol for dogs. Athletes do not care, which shows the enormous popularity and far-reaching application of these steroid compounds. Boldenone undecylenate is also very effective in humans and offers the athlete interesting characteristics which other steroids simply do not have.
Equipoise has a relatively high anabolic effect which is usually connected with a moderately distinct androgenic component. For this reason, Equipoise is not the steroid that will cause enormous gains in strength and muscle mass in the shortest time. Equipoise has a very favorable effect on the organism's nitrogen balance so that the main effect consists of a distinctly increased protein synthesis in the muscle cell. The resulting gain in body weight consists of a solid quality increase of the muscles which occurs slowly and evenly. The high quality is caused by low water retention of the substance. An additional advantage is that Equipoise aromatizes only slightly, thus making it an effective drug to use when preparing for competitions. Athletes who are dieting combine Equipoise with Winstrol Depot and report a dramatic increase in muscle hardness. Together with a sufficiently high supply of calories and protein this combination offers its users a large increase in strength and a rapid gain in quality muscles. Many will notice that Equipoise stimulates the appetite. The advantages achieved can usually be well-maintained over several weeks after use of the compound is discontinued. Equipoise also stimulates the erythropoiesis which is manifested by improved development and the formation of red blood cells. Bodybuilders thus experience an improved pump effect during workout and an improved vascularity
Men have few problems with Equipoise. Since water and salt retentions are low, the blood pressure usually does not increase. Acne, gynecomastia, and increased aggressiveness occur only in rare instances. The feared "steroid fever," which can occur when using veterinary steroids, is rare with Equipoise since the product by Squibb is highly sterile and pure. Those who experience flu-like symptoms when they begin taking the compound should reduce the dosage for a short time.
Alex H
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Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca-Durarolin)
Deca-Durabolin is a brand name of Organon Company, the manu-facturer of the drug containing the substance nandrolone decanoate. Although nandrolone decanoate is still contained in many generic compounds, almost every athlete connects this substance with Deca--Durabolin. Most common are the administrations of 5 0 mg/ml and 100 mg/ml. Deca-Durabolin is the most widespread and most commonly used injectable steroid. Deca's large popularity can be attributed to its numerous possible applications and, for its mostly positive results. Deca-Durabolin causes the muscle cell to store more nitrogen than it re-leases so that a positive nitrogen balance is achieved. A positive ni-trogen balance is synonymous with muscle growth since the muscle cell, in this phase, assimilates (accumulates) a larger amount of pro-tein than usual. The same manufacturer, however, points out on the package insert that a positive nitrogen balance and the protein--building effect that accompany it will occur only if enough calories and proteins are supplied. One should know this since, otherwise, satisfying results with Deca cannot be obtained. The highly ana-bolic effect of Deca-Durabolin is linked to a moderately androgenic component, so that a good gain in muscle mass and strength is obtained. At the same time, most athletes notice considerable water retention which, no doubt, is not as distinct as that with injectable testosterones but which in high doses can also cause a smooth and watery appearance. Since Deca also stores more water in the connective tissues, it can temporarily case or even cure existing pain in joints. This is especially good for those athletes who complain about pain in the shoulder, elbow, and knee; they can often enjoy pain-free workouts during treatment with Deca-Durabolin. Athletes use Deca, depending on their needs, for muscle buildup and in preparation for a competition.
Deca is suitable, even above average, to develop muscle mass since it promotes the protein synthesis and simultaneously leads to water retention. The optimal dose for this purpose lies between 200 and 600 mg/week. Scientific research has shown that best results can be obtained by the intake of 2-mg/pound body weight. Those who take a dose of less than 200 mg/week will usually feel only a very light anabolic effect which, however, increases with a higher dosage. Most male athletes experience good re-sults by taking 400 mg/week. Steroid novices usually need only 200 mg/week. Deca works very well for muscle buildup when combined with Dianabol and Testosterone. The famous Dianabol/ Deca stack results in a a fast and strong gain in muscle mass. Most athletes usually take 15-40 mg Dianabol/day and 200-400 mg Deca/week. Even faster results can be achieved with 400 mg Deca/week and 500 mg 5ustanon 250/week. Athletes report an enormous gain in strength and muscle mass when taking 400 mg Deca/week, 500 mg Sustanon 250/week, and 30 mg Dianabol/day. Deca is a good basic steroid which, for muscle buildup, can be combined with many other steroids.
A conversion into estrogen, that means an aromatizing process, is possible with Deca-Durabolin but occurs at a lower rate than ex: testosterone. During competi-tions with doping tests Deca must not be taken since the metabo-lites in the body can be proven in a urine analysis up to 18 months later. The risk of potential water retention and aromatizing to estro-gen can be successfully prevented by combining the use of Proviron with Nolvadex.
Although the side effects with Deca are relatively low with dosages of 400 mg/week, androgenic-caused side effects can occur. Most problems manifest themselves in high blood pressure and a pro-longed time for blood clotting, which can cause frequent nasal bleed-ing and prolonged bleeding of cuts, as well as increased production of the sebaceous gland and occasional acne. Some athletes also re-port headaches and sexual overstimulation. When very high dos-ages are taken over a prolonged period, spermatogenesis can be in-hibited in men, i.e. the testes produce less testosterone. The reason is that Deca-Durabolin, like almost all steroids, inhibits the release of gonadotropins from the hypophysis.
Deca-Durabolin is a brand name of Organon Company, the manu-facturer of the drug containing the substance nandrolone decanoate. Although nandrolone decanoate is still contained in many generic compounds, almost every athlete connects this substance with Deca--Durabolin. Most common are the administrations of 5 0 mg/ml and 100 mg/ml. Deca-Durabolin is the most widespread and most commonly used injectable steroid. Deca's large popularity can be attributed to its numerous possible applications and, for its mostly positive results. Deca-Durabolin causes the muscle cell to store more nitrogen than it re-leases so that a positive nitrogen balance is achieved. A positive ni-trogen balance is synonymous with muscle growth since the muscle cell, in this phase, assimilates (accumulates) a larger amount of pro-tein than usual. The same manufacturer, however, points out on the package insert that a positive nitrogen balance and the protein--building effect that accompany it will occur only if enough calories and proteins are supplied. One should know this since, otherwise, satisfying results with Deca cannot be obtained. The highly ana-bolic effect of Deca-Durabolin is linked to a moderately androgenic component, so that a good gain in muscle mass and strength is obtained. At the same time, most athletes notice considerable water retention which, no doubt, is not as distinct as that with injectable testosterones but which in high doses can also cause a smooth and watery appearance. Since Deca also stores more water in the connective tissues, it can temporarily case or even cure existing pain in joints. This is especially good for those athletes who complain about pain in the shoulder, elbow, and knee; they can often enjoy pain-free workouts during treatment with Deca-Durabolin. Athletes use Deca, depending on their needs, for muscle buildup and in preparation for a competition.
Deca is suitable, even above average, to develop muscle mass since it promotes the protein synthesis and simultaneously leads to water retention. The optimal dose for this purpose lies between 200 and 600 mg/week. Scientific research has shown that best results can be obtained by the intake of 2-mg/pound body weight. Those who take a dose of less than 200 mg/week will usually feel only a very light anabolic effect which, however, increases with a higher dosage. Most male athletes experience good re-sults by taking 400 mg/week. Steroid novices usually need only 200 mg/week. Deca works very well for muscle buildup when combined with Dianabol and Testosterone. The famous Dianabol/ Deca stack results in a a fast and strong gain in muscle mass. Most athletes usually take 15-40 mg Dianabol/day and 200-400 mg Deca/week. Even faster results can be achieved with 400 mg Deca/week and 500 mg 5ustanon 250/week. Athletes report an enormous gain in strength and muscle mass when taking 400 mg Deca/week, 500 mg Sustanon 250/week, and 30 mg Dianabol/day. Deca is a good basic steroid which, for muscle buildup, can be combined with many other steroids.
A conversion into estrogen, that means an aromatizing process, is possible with Deca-Durabolin but occurs at a lower rate than ex: testosterone. During competi-tions with doping tests Deca must not be taken since the metabo-lites in the body can be proven in a urine analysis up to 18 months later. The risk of potential water retention and aromatizing to estro-gen can be successfully prevented by combining the use of Proviron with Nolvadex.
Although the side effects with Deca are relatively low with dosages of 400 mg/week, androgenic-caused side effects can occur. Most problems manifest themselves in high blood pressure and a pro-longed time for blood clotting, which can cause frequent nasal bleed-ing and prolonged bleeding of cuts, as well as increased production of the sebaceous gland and occasional acne. Some athletes also re-port headaches and sexual overstimulation. When very high dos-ages are taken over a prolonged period, spermatogenesis can be in-hibited in men, i.e. the testes produce less testosterone. The reason is that Deca-Durabolin, like almost all steroids, inhibits the release of gonadotropins from the hypophysis.
Slyder190
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If bulking, i would go with Deca over EQ. You'd be looking at more gains and the benefit of lubebricated joints for heavy lifting. Deca is a better mass builder. If you're looking for some hardness and doing more of a lean bulk, I'd still say pass on EQ and go with Winny. While neither is a great mass builder, the Winny will hit you much faster than the EQ. EQ takes like5-6 weeks to rreally get goin. Who the hell wants to wait that long? And then you're looking at like almost 3 weeks for the EQ to clear before you start PCT. Fuck EQ.
Alex H
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Winny is pretty tough on the liver. Most cycles with winny don't last over 6 weeks. The mass gains are tough to realize if a winny user has a moderate to high bodyfat percentage. Im not knocking winny by any means. Substituting winny for EQ on a mass cycle does not make much sense to me. Now EQ and Winny together for lean mass - now thats a whole nother story.
I dunno, I liked deca, but I'm trying EQ for the next cycle, hopefully, if i can get some 
. Thinking I might make some eq base suspension, anyone who has done/used this drop me a pm!
. Thinking I might make some eq base suspension, anyone who has done/used this drop me a pm!
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Anthony Roberts
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Nate82 said:I dunno, I liked deca, but I'm trying EQ for the next cycle, hopefully, if i can get some
Right now, I'm using a 50mg-Test-Prop and 25mg-Boldenone-base (so a total of 75mgs/ml) mixture, along with some Synthelesen (from Synthetek)...I'll let you know how it goes.
TRAINHD
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TRAINHD
If your bulking its great for increasing your appetite.
Originally Posted by TRAINHD
If your bulking its great for increasing your appetite.
I'm going on experiance I prefer Eq over Deca.I felt a great increase in appetite while on Eq,although the gains are slow they were for me easy to keep,not alot of water retentiondullboy said:
RADAR
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To me EQ is over rated,and when my blood was low(from the ulcer) it still registered low on a blood test so EQ doesn't increase RBC count as much as previously thought, and i couldn't tell the difference bet 500 Wk & 800wk except it ran out faster . and last but not least -the EQ appetite increase never came.
RADAR
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wayneboard1
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RADAR said:
You know....as far as a general increased hunger it never came for me either. I did have some days where the hunger would hit me hard, but that was few and far between. I am still a big fan of EQ because of the low sides, more keepable gains, and slow build.
doyouyahoo
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If taken EQ alone with test it will increase appetite, but if taken along with deca or dbol...that's another story.RADAR said:
swordfish151
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Thinking Next cycle after im done with the sust/dbol will be test prop, tren ace, and EQ...
doyouyahoo
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I see. For me, EQ works but not all the time. It seems like with deca it doesnt work at all, because deca gives me bloat and that seems to decrease my appetite. Mostly for me EQ will increase my appetite (which is normally low anyways) sometimes I just cant stop eating, even eating peanut butter will not decrease it.RADAR said:
wwebound4life
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RADAR
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wwebound4life said:
Studies have shown it to suppress
the progesterone receptors.
Also Nolvadex is a weak blocker of progesterone receptors. It will do it, but it's not very strong. I suspect if you combine winstrol with nolvadex you will be fine.
RADAR
wwebound4life
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RADAR said:
Cool, Thanks K to you.........
"you must spread some karma around before giving it to RADAR again"
get you soon!!!
kethnaab
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interesting answers, thank you gentlemen muchly.
my biggest desire to use gear (once I can do so legally) is that I have had so darn many aches and pains and joint "issues"
between shoulder surgery, aggravating elbow tendonitis, sore knees and ankles...oy, the military beats the body.
so deca and EQ both have "joint strengthening" properties? that is intriguing...
my biggest desire to use gear (once I can do so legally) is that I have had so darn many aches and pains and joint "issues"
between shoulder surgery, aggravating elbow tendonitis, sore knees and ankles...oy, the military beats the body.
so deca and EQ both have "joint strengthening" properties? that is intriguing...
