Why does this happen every time I end???

[burnthiscorpse]

The last two times I have ended a cycle.....in 2009 it was after 10 mos of 600mg wk test and in 2010 it was after 12 weeks of test, I forget the dose....500-600mg wk.(long ester both times) About 3 weeks after my last pin I start to get palpitations that last apx 10 days to two weeks. Then they dissapear. Mostly its at night and especially when I lay down to go to sleep. Sometimes I notice it during the day. But I could still go and do hardcore cardio (sprints ect) and it doesnt affect me at all during that. So anyways....fast forward to this year.... 12 weeks of test at a whopping 375mg/wk and I decided to drop to a 125mg wk cruise to see how I do with the PT type workout that Im relegated to now due to some uncooperative tendons. Basically doing a ton of core work (which im loving amazingly) and some PT stuff and lots of Dips and a chin/pullup variation. Enough to maintain some mass at least.
Anyways....i noticed recently after aboout 3 weeks of cruising that I was getting palpitations again...im like wtf....this is kinda freaking me out. This time during the day too. After apx 2 weeks of dealing with it I realized its my test levels going back to normal again....3 weeks or so post larger dose!! I didnt connect it before because I'm still actually using test every week. But its only 125mg....a real world TRT dose. Which puts my levels in a normal healthy range. So synthetic or not my test levels are back where they should be and I'm reacting to the adjustment the same way i did in 09' and 10'. Since I figured that out a few days ago the palpitations have mostly stopped as they had gone on for their customary 2 weeks apx.

So why then....why, when my body goes from elevated test to normal test do I get this happening? Any opinions? Its not something I am freaking about.
Also when I start up from nothing I could go 250, 375, 500, 600 wk..... I have no issues then with the adjustment. Its just kinda wierd.
I had the same thing happen when I tried to start GHRP-2 the first time. palpitations for days. Then I stopped. Waited a couple weeks and decided to try again. No issues the second time. Fucking wierd.

 

[shirlene29]

hmmm...that is weird from an endocrinological standpoint...you've got me curious enough to go explore pituitary axis a little more

 

[burnthiscorpse]

hmmm...that is weird from an endocrinological standpoint...you've got me curious enough to go explore pituitary axis a little more

Pre 2009 I had been out of the game for at least 3 years. But no issues before that ever.

 

[UA_Iron]

Yeah this is most likely a complicated chemical function of the body.

Cortisol can cause it, hydration, stimulants, could be intestinal disturbances (esophagus). You feel more anxious when you're on gear?

If a doc is concerned about it he will hook you up with a device that tracks your heart beats over the course of a few days.

Usually they're not too concerning though, but the potential is there for a bigger issue.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Unsure but I do know that ppl that are in shape have a slow heartbeat bc their heart doesn't need to work as hard to pump blood.

 

[shirlene29]

yeah i was gonna say...id look into getting an ekg done...makes me wonder if its unrelated ...but at the same time ...idk..Im really stumped
you really have me thinking about what the disruption and biological function be thats making the body kind of twirl to keep homeostasis

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Maybe its a murmur?

 

[shirlene29]

no...a murmur doesnt present like that.....people that have murmurs dont know they have them
sounds more like a-tach but Im wonderin why


do you get anxiety when it happens? like upsets you when it happens or feel ill?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

No murmurs here. Its only happened when my test has gone from elevated to normal the last 3 times.

I'm overdue for an echocardiogram so i'll likely get one this summer just because. I usually get one every 18-24 mos. Not because I have an issue but because I dont want to get one. Or if I ever do I want to catch it ahead of time. I didnt start getting them because of AAS I just figured the insurance covers them so why not check everything over. My father had an anurism that they were watching for quite some time. Thats not what killed him but I figure better safe than sorry.
Only thing thats ever come of an echo for me was 2-3 years ago they noticed the one valve (i forget the name) that has the 3 flaps in a single valve. One of the flaps was off time to the point that it was barely noticable. My doc said it was so minute that its something that some people reading an echo wouldnt even document. Likely its been that way forever and this particular tech decided to highlight it.
I never got palpitations until I got into cocaine for a few months when I was 20. stayed up all night one night and did an assload of it. ended up with my heart palpitating and pounding super hard...my nuts felt like a blowtorch was on them and my hands and feet got all tingly...i thought i was going to have a heart attack and die. Got palpitations here and there for 2-3 years after that then they stopped. Had numerous EKG, Echo, stress test ect....and all they docs were like dude....your not going to die...fucking calm down... Obviously I havnt touched the stuff since. (16 yrs)

 

[rich_89]

I will be very interested to hear the results of your test mate. Please post up the results.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Shirlz, no anxiety or ill feeling.

Family heart history is ok. Grandfather had 2 heart attacks. BUT....he never went to the doc, was from the depression generation, ate 2 huge meals every day, Mashed potatoes and gravy all the time type deal... put salt on everything, didnt take care of himself at all. So I chalk that up to his own fault.

The coke thing was only for about 4 months culminating with the above incident. Again this was 16 years ago and before ever using any aas.

 

[rich_89]

Shit sorry, just seen Steves's edit above.

Had to edit, but good luck dude, let us know how it goes.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

And FWIW my BP is like 126/66 ....<that would be about an average reading. The top doesnt really get over 132 and the bottom doesnt really get over 72 unless i take stims or dring sugar free red bull.
Resting HR is apx 56.

I'm going to order some HCgenerate and Unleashed and a few other things and just drop the test and run a 6 wk or so PCT. Clean everything out of my system thats synthetic and see how I feel.
As I said, the palpitations have all but stopped (98%) I do notice off and on throughout the day I feel a little wierdness in the bottom of my throat at the base of my neck thats heart beat related but theres no skipping or palpitating.

Also you more knowledgable folks, Shirlene, ect.... I have started alot of core work EOD as I stated before. Which is obviously killer cardio. Very stressful. Could my heart be reacting just as a normal muscle would because im working the fuck out of it. Meaning...a little off the next day ect...?
Last night I did among other things a bunch of sets of 35 lb kettel bell snatches. Totally kicked my ass...heart pounding like a fucker.(no skips though)

 

[shirlene29]

Im just not sure...could your heart be reacting to stress?? sure...but increased hr and or palps (which dont need to have an increased rate to occur) would occur during that stress or ocurr after that stress if there is an underlying damage
your hr increases because of adrenaline
and I'm linking a good explanation in how this fits in here
Epinephrine - used, first, blood, body, produced, function, Early Research and Use, Hormones and the Body, Catecholamines, Vasopressors

palps can also be a problem with release of this hormone but are better described as a "misfire" of the nodes of the heart....
Im wondering if this is a case of correlation being confused with causation however because Im not coming up with a good rational reason why this might be the case unless your adrenals are simply incredibly stressed and coming off test somehow helps trigger a bigger stressor
endocrinology is my strong suit but Im still not wrapping my head around this

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Im just not sure...could your heart be reacting to stress?? sure...but increased hr and or palps (which dont need to have an increased rate to occur) would occur during that stress or ocurr after that stress if there is an underlying damage
your hr increases because of adrenaline
and I'm linking a good explanation in how this fits in here
Epinephrine - used, first, blood, body, produced, function, Early Research and Use, Hormones and the Body, Catecholamines, Vasopressors

palps can also be a problem with release of this hormone but are better described as a "misfire" of the nodes of the heart....
Im wondering if this is a case of correlation being confused with causation however because Im not coming up with a good rational reason why this might be the case unless your adrenals are simply incredibly stressed and coming off test somehow helps trigger a bigger stressor
endocrinology is my strong suit but Im still not wrapping my head around this

I know I do have some added life stress right now as of the last few weeks. Will be resolved soon. I know its affecting me more than I think because i have bouts of my left eye twitching non stop. Thats a key indicator for me that im stressed when I may not realize it.
Using the term "misfire" in your analogy is dead on for a description of feel though.

 

[shirlene29]

do you take a B vitamin supplement?

 

[shirlene29]

let me rephrase that...entirely...I would suggest a B vit based stress complex supp which will probably include zinc and C too
and an additional 250mg of magnesium a day on top of any multi you may be taking
and unless youre cutting...eat a baked potato and its skin daily (way higher in potassium than a banana) ...and for all of the above I dont really care what supps or vitamins youre already taking
if you are cutting substitute the baked potato for an avocado (also way higher than potass than a banana) and see what all of the above does for the palps

 

[Nelson Montana]

Anxiety isn't always nervousness. It's a wrong signal that send cortisol and adrenaline into the bloodstream for no apparent reason. A fluctuation of hormones -- even from high to normal, can trigger it, even if it doesn't necessarily cause it. My guess is, you have an ongoing condition -- it's just showing itself at those times.

 

[shirlene29]

actually...anxiety always includes a surge of adrenaline/cortisol...when its inappropriate or exaggerated in relation to the stressor its a short circuit of the "fight or flight" response
so you're spot on ...more or less

 

[burnthiscorpse]

let me rephrase that...entirely...I would suggest a B vit based stress complex supp which will probably include zinc and C too
and an additional 250mg of magnesium a day on top of any multi you may be taking
and unless youre cutting...eat a baked potato and its skin daily (way higher in potassium than a banana) ...and for all of the above I dont really care what supps or vitamins youre already taking
if you are cutting substitute the baked potato for an avocado (also way higher than potass than a banana) and see what all of the above does for the palps

I take a B12 liquid and a b-complex cap. But havnt taken them in a couple weeks.
Im also not cutting in a strict sense. Being relegated to the type of work out i mentioned previously I have been slacking on everything diet wise for a few weeks. Which I dont mind so much taking a month or so break from discipline every now and then.
I'll get back on the B-vit wagon this afternoon though.

Nelson, are you referring to possibly an ongoing anxiety condition? Anxiety from stress or being a worry monger possibly?
I suppose it could be possible. Definatley not the nervous type or the typical anxiety attack type though. Stress does eat at me more than I think when I do have it though.

 

[shirlene29]

the magnesium helps smooth and relax muscle as well as helps nerves "fire" correctly...the potassium Im honestly taking a stab in the dark with
the b-vit because you mentioned the eye twitch...its one theory about eye twitches

 

[burnthiscorpse]

The eye twitch will go away. its stress. Happens sometimes.

 

[shirlene29]

and it'll go away faster with the b-vit ...Im wondering if theres a relationship is what I was trying to establish

 

[burnthiscorpse]

and it'll go away faster with the b-vit ...Im wondering if theres a relationship is what I was trying to establish

No, I gotcha.... I believe the stress/twitch is related to the little extra than normal duration of post cycle palpitations.
Grabbing some HCG this evening to begin heading towards PCT. Well....thats the plan anyways. If the Palps dissapear completely like they should I may just stick with .5ml test wk for a while until my PT has worked enough for me to get back to full blown workouts. Sucks...I have a few hundred 20mg var tabs burning a hole in my dresser drawer (never tried var before)

 

[burnthiscorpse]

....and if it helps contribute any, my bloods at about 8 weeks in showed what i feel is normal for being on test. All 3 cholesterol readings were perfect. Triglycerides were perfect. The things that were elevated were things directly affected by higher test. MPV (mean platelet value), RBC, Hemocrit, ect all were elevated. Nothing too drastic.

 

[shirlene29]

ya, Im pretty perplexed with the whole thing to be honest

if their burnin a hole that bad send em on over! lol

 

[burnthiscorpse]

ya, Im pretty perplexed with the whole thing to be honest

if their burnin a hole that bad send em on over! lol

Haha....sorry I'm gonna run em sooner or later. I will say however that I'm all done with my post cycle palpitations. Been absolutely perfect for 2 days. Fri-sat I filled in at my old bouncer gig and drank a bunch of sugar free red bull (yeah I know) and nothing. Usually that shit is like crack for me. Hardcore cardio ect.....not a single palp. I even tried hard to overdo it. Nothing.