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Why does everyone want to run cutting cycles?!?

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WCP

Elite Mentor
This is a repost put up by Pusher over at Ripped Mass, good read I thought!
Peace,
WCP


Why does everybody want to run cutting cycles!?!?
Why? Do you have a contest coming up? A photo shoot for a magazine or supplement company? Why do it!?

I see it all the time, so and so just finnished a bulking cycle and wants to start up a cutting cycle. WTF? Why? Why diet away hard earned (and paid-for) muscle using weaker drugs? The more muscle you carry, the faster your metabolism works and the more fat you burn at rest.

Rookie steroid users doing a "bulking" cycle for the first cycle to get up to 210lbs, and a "cutting" cycle for their second cycle to get back down to 200lbs. What is this nonsense? What happend to packing on as much muscle while staying hard? Why not put on as much muscle as you can until you have a legitimate reason to get down to 5% bodyfat? Unless you're 15%-18% bodyfat you have no business doing a "cutting" cycle. What you should be doing is concentrating on adding lean mass and not getting so damn bloated!

I've always held to the belief that the only thing the seperates a cutting cycle from a bulking cycle is DIET! It's not the drugs that alter your appearance, it's the sh*t you put in your mouth that alters your appearance. A cycle of test, tren, arimidex/aromasin/femara and watching carbohydrate intake while eating your weight in protein W I L L produce a quality physique.

I just cannot help but shake my head and roll my eyes at guys who think 250mg test, 400mg deca and 20mg anavar is going to make them look better than 1g of test and an anti-estrogen will.

Sorry for the rant, just had to get some of that off my chest.

--Pusher
 
Good post

I agree, diet decides results. Eat "everything in sight" is the advice you always hear when on test. Do that and you get fat.

Eat everything in sight on (insert favorite "cutting" drug here) you will also get fat.

Test with a clean diet and plenty of protien with anti e's will do wonders for you!
 
Yes yes and yes. I don't like to diet without a powerful androgen in there like fina. And I always bulk first then cut a bit to keep myself around the same bf% (10% or so) while I get progressively bigger. When I prep for a show though obviously I'll have to really cut. Obviously.
 
I agree. But, I do think it would be a good idea to try to put on lean body mass with some of the less androgenic steriods from time to time. As stated diet is key.
 
Someone speaks the truth. I personally don't understand why people who aren't competitive or making money modeling cut so frequently and agressively. Just my view point here, but going on vacation, beach season, summer, or clubbing aren't legitimate reasons to cut. Unless you're fat, which most people who use AS and train hard aren't, there is no reason to kill oneself cutting trying endlessly to get to 5%bf. For what? Why not spend that time and energy to build something that actually looks impressive once it is cut. I've trained with and been around all types of people in the gym and to me the least impressive are the 150 pound "perpetual cutters" who think that because they have thier six pack they have acheived the pinacle physique. When you hang around guys whom are 240-250 pounds ripped and pushing 3 bills in the offseason you come to apreciate what ripped means. Ripped is not 5% body fat at 150 pounds....That's just called being tiny. I just don't get why people obsess with being cut year round and for no good purpose. If you've got a show there's a reason to diet. If you've got a photo shoot there's reason to diet. If you're >15%bf there's reason to diet. Otherwise why not try to get bigger if you're already a devoted and loving slave to the iron.
 
Beezers said:
Someone speaks the truth. I personally don't understand why people who aren't competitive or making money modeling cut so frequently and agressively. Just my view point here, but going on vacation, beach season, summer, or clubbing aren't legitimate reasons to cut. Unless you're fat, which most people who use AS and train hard aren't, there is no reason to kill oneself cutting trying endlessly to get to 5%bf. For what? Why not spend that time and energy to build something that actually looks impressive once it is cut. I've trained with and been around all types of people in the gym and to me the least impressive are the 150 pound "perpetual cutters" who think that because they have thier six pack they have acheived the pinacle physique. When you hang around guys whom are 240-250 pounds ripped and pushing 3 bills in the offseason you come to apreciate what ripped means. Ripped is not 5% body fat at 150 pounds....That's just called being tiny. I just don't get why people obsess with being cut year round and for no good purpose. If you've got a show there's a reason to diet. If you've got a photo shoot there's reason to diet. If you're >15%bf there's reason to diet. Otherwise why not try to get bigger if you're already a devoted and loving slave to the iron.
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i like the way you put up the scenario then explained the reason for it.

well said!!
 
WCP said:

I just cannot help but shake my head and roll my eyes at guys who think 250mg test, 400mg deca and 20mg anavar is going to make them look better than 1g of test and an anti-estrogen will.



--Pusher
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my point exactly, why bother with expensive/harsh shit like anavars winny, fucking primo.....primo (chick drug), not to mention bros with 5 dollar bodies running sophisticated drugs like gh and the ever popular/non excesable masterone when a better effect can be acheaved with a gram of test along with anti-aromatise
 
Hey WCP, your a newbie......280 posts...hehe. Couldn't agree more with your point here, btw. Mass is where it's at.
 
Nathan said:
When I prep for a show though obviously I'll have to really cut.
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N:rainbow:th:rainbow:n, this is a "bodybuilding" site. No one cares about the :rainbow: Gay Pride :rainbow: "show" you're "prepping for".
 
That post wasn't directed to anybody in specific, I was just making a general point.

I'm glad I'm not alone in those beliefs.

What's up WCP, see you over at R-M. Let me know if you have any more questions bro. Later.
 
Dam

I cant take it anymore. Bulk cut Bulk cut bulk cut bulk cut.

AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know what the hell I want anymore.

One day its more size the next its more cuts.

I do agree with the post, but see why people use diffeent drugs to cut. Some raise estrogen and that aint good. Its best to go with drugs that don't do that. Some make you hold water and that might kill your pyshce when dieting.

But all in all you can cut on any dam thing as long as diet is in order.
 
cutting cycle=muscle preservation while dieting(keto,ckd,etc....) and doing cardio in hopes of shedding fat FASTER, i see nothing wrong with that

an all out bulk might help ectomorphs,but for the majority of ppl slow gradual clean pounds is where its at
 
I couldnt agree more. But i am guilty of being indecisive. First cycle kept 15ish, then proceeded to start a EQ/Win cycle to "cut" i went from 12-8% within the first 4 weeks. Now that I'm at 8, I dont wanna cut anymore. In fact, for the next 4 weeks I ate big, had some great workouts stayed at 8 (clean eating but big). Going to continue to eat good foods but lots of em for the next 6 weeks, i reintroduce winny at week 8 and I have decided to add fina for the last 6 weeks as well. I realize that I'm not doing a show and im not gonna beat myself up over my love handles. THe money spent on cuttin cycles could more than pay for liposuction.

If you say that you wanna look good for the beach/clubs/girls than you are doing this for all the wrong reasons. The work put in the gym can change your life way more than getting a girl. You don't need a six pack to get the girls, you don't need to be in a perpetual state of a tanktop to get the girls.
 
This post just hits on everything I beleive in about training. When you really think about it this game of ours (bodybuilding/competitive or just recreational) it is very political and almost religious. There are dozens of ideals and practicies with which we as individual bodybuilders have to sculpt our "gym philiosophy" around. Some people adhere to a training and diet regimine that prevents them from ever getting big, but allows them to be quite lean year round. Some people are mass addicts and don't mind carrying 12%bf so long as they're growing animals.

I personally have never seen the point in the perpertual cutter. Why go into the gym day in day out to not gain an ounce of muscle. Why sacrifice 5 pounds of muscle for an extra 1% reduction in bodyfat. Many people don't compete and have no need to be at ridiculously low bodyfat levels, but we see it all the time here on the board and in our gyms. Why are these people putting themselves through this? It makes you wonder whom they're doing it for and who they're really training for. Dieting to 8% or so(reasonable for most) is fine. It's a challenging new goal to keep your time in the gym exciting and fresh. But why this nonsense about going beyond that when there is no pay day involved and no judges to win over?

My philosophy since nearly day one of my training was to get f**k'n huge. Why the hell not? I'm putting a lot of my soal into this life, why not walk around and draw jaw dropping stares wherever I go. I'm putting a passionate dedication into my gym time, diet, and lifestyle, why not put all that effort and knowledge to work and get something truely remarkable to show for it. In my eyes 6%bf at 160 pounds isn't remarkable. We all went to school with kids whom already had this physique without ever touching a weight and simultaneously eating doughnuts and dorittos. If you're going to be using AS why not put them to work for you and see how muscle muscle you can grow? In my opinion that's more of a challenge than cutting.

Honesty compells me to say that if you feel you have to carry sub7-8% bodyfat in an effort to impress and even attract the opposite sex you are not only doing this for the wrong reason, but you're a weak individual and severly lacking in self-value. I think most of us know that it doesn't take much to impress people. The only person you need to impress is yourself. So if you're dieting to challenge yourself and find your pottential then more power to you, but if your the "I'm going on vacation and need to drop fat overnight" type then maybe you need to find your spine.
 
what if someone wants to lose some extra fat..... im at around 15% but am only 180..... i know i should gain a lot more weight ... but i just cant stand the extra fat around the waist... when ur saying cutting, you mean cutting (AAS) cycle.... what about cardio.... if ur saying get as huge as possible, then cardio shouldnt be done cause u want the extra cal's. correct??
 
aky said:
what if someone wants to lose some extra fat..... im at around 15% but am only 180..... i know i should gain a lot more weight ... but i just cant stand the extra fat around the waist... when ur saying cutting, you mean cutting (AAS) cycle.... what about cardio.... if ur saying get as huge as possible, then cardio shouldnt be done cause u want the extra cal's. correct??
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I'm personally talking about guys who are already at low body fat(10-12%) but just continue to push it as a means of justifying thier self-worth. If you want to drop some fat and tighten up then by all means make that your goal. But unless you have a show or a paycheck don't get too carried away for the sole means of impressing others. If you have to do this to gain confidence in yourself then you're doing it for the wrong reasons. If you're doing it to challenge yourself and better yourself then it's a worthwhile project. Keep in mind that 15%bf is not fat.
 
Beezers said:


I'm personally talking about guys who are already at low body fat(10-12%) but just continue to push it as a means of justifying thier self-worth. If you want to drop some fat and tighten up then by all means make that your goal. But unless you have a show or a paycheck don't get too carried away for the sole means of impressing others. If you have to do this to gain confidence in yourself then you're doing it for the wrong reasons. If you're doing it to challenge yourself and better yourself then it's a worthwhile project. Keep in mind that 15%bf is not fat.
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so at 6ft, 180 and 15% you'd recommend i bulk? That was my original plan (on fina(75) and prop(100) ED shots with 1mg l'dex ED) but i started to change my mind...... i dont want to get too sluggish and be out of breath climbing the stairs... this is what happened last time to me at 190.
 
Best post I've read all week!!! Exactly my beliefs! Bravo to the man who wrote this! Hell I'm 300lb. at 14% bodyfat right now and I still bulk, so this post should say something to you fellas.

Gram of Test + Anti-E = Great Results (only for experienced, see my post otherwise on how to save money); Diet is key. I love it!!! It's basically everything I stand for in the game!
 
WCP you're just a crackhead juice newbie, everyone knows cutting is the way to go, bulking on large test doses is just BAD!!!!!!!!!
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aky said:


so at 6ft, 180 and 15% you'd recommend i bulk? That was my original plan (on fina(75) and prop(100) ED shots with 1mg l'dex ED) but i started to change my mind...... i dont want to get too sluggish and be out of breath climbing the stairs... this is what happened last time to me at 190.
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Contrary to the popular and exagerated belief that you always gain fat while bulking this simply is not true. In fact, if you eat right and traing right your body fat percentage will go down as your lean body mass increases. You won't actually loose fat, but you'll look as though you did and the percentage of fat mass will decrease with an increase in lean body mass weight. It's like spreading the same amount of water over a larger area. It gets shallower and looks like less volume. You're not fat from a health perspective, so there really is no other reason to drop fat other than vanity. It all comes down to your goals. If you want to get bigger then do it. With a clean diet you can gain mass without added fat.
 
maybe the fact that it's summer has something to do with it. people have their shirts off, and want to be cut. in case you didn't know....chicks dig cut guys. i don't know why it's so hard to understand........
 
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Re: bulk or cut

georgie24 said:
i think its noones buisness but the individuals!
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LOL Exactly. I can not believe there are people in the world who 'get mad' at others for wanting looking ripped or shredded.b Please people...:p

It's your decision, and yours only. Ok...you want to be huge and bloated? Fine! I won't call you a water grenade. But to come on an internet site and rant about how people like staying lean, I'm really wondering where the motivation came from in that respect. Why can't I cut for the beach? Why can't I cut for a vacation? Is there some rule out there that is keeping me from doing just that.:rolleyes: I understand where you are coming from...kind of.. , but to each his own.:kiss: cheers!
 
Beezers said:
This post just hits on everything I beleive in about training. When you really think about it this game of ours (bodybuilding/competitive or just recreational) it is very political and almost religious. There are dozens of ideals and practicies with which we as individual bodybuilders have to sculpt our "gym philiosophy" around. Some people adhere to a training and diet regimine that prevents them from ever getting big, but allows them to be quite lean year round. Some people are mass addicts and don't mind carrying 12%bf so long as they're growing animals.

I personally have never seen the point in the perpertual cutter. Why go into the gym day in day out to not gain an ounce of muscle. Why sacrifice 5 pounds of muscle for an extra 1% reduction in bodyfat. Many people don't compete and have no need to be at ridiculously low bodyfat levels, but we see it all the time here on the board and in our gyms. Why are these people putting themselves through this? It makes you wonder whom they're doing it for and who they're really training for. Dieting to 8% or so(reasonable for most) is fine. It's a challenging new goal to keep your time in the gym exciting and fresh. But why this nonsense about going beyond that when there is no pay day involved and no judges to win over?

My philosophy since nearly day one of my training was to get f**k'n huge. Why the hell not? I'm putting a lot of my soal into this life, why not walk around and draw jaw dropping stares wherever I go. I'm putting a passionate dedication into my gym time, diet, and lifestyle, why not put all that effort and knowledge to work and get something truely remarkable to show for it. In my eyes 6%bf at 160 pounds isn't remarkable. We all went to school with kids whom already had this physique without ever touching a weight and simultaneously eating doughnuts and dorittos. If you're going to be using AS why not put them to work for you and see how muscle muscle you can grow? In my opinion that's more of a challenge than cutting.

Honesty compells me to say that if you feel you have to carry sub7-8% bodyfat in an effort to impress and even attract the opposite sex you are not only doing this for the wrong reason, but you're a weak individual and severly lacking in self-value. I think most of us know that it doesn't take much to impress people. The only person you need to impress is yourself. So if you're dieting to challenge yourself and find your pottential then more power to you, but if your the "I'm going on vacation and need to drop fat overnight" type then maybe you need to find your spine.
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i agree with your phylosophy about gaining mass, but i think your gains will improve if you cycle your training into cutting/bulking. i dont beleave in perpetual bulking (im aware that you dont either) and i do like to drop my bf down to between 5-6%, and really do enjoy seeing every girls head turn when i pass by them in the club
 
No offense . . . But

Beezers said:
Someone speaks the truth. I personally don't understand why people who aren't competitive or making money modeling cut so frequently and agressively. Just my view point here, but going on vacation, beach season, summer, or clubbing aren't legitimate reasons to cut. Unless you're fat, which most people who use AS and train hard aren't, there is no reason to kill oneself cutting trying endlessly to get to 5%bf. For what? Why not spend that time and energy to build something that actually looks impressive once it is cut. I've trained with and been around all types of people in the gym and to me the least impressive are the 150 pound "perpetual cutters" who think that because they have thier six pack they have acheived the pinacle physique. When you hang around guys whom are 240-250 pounds ripped and pushing 3 bills in the offseason you come to apreciate what ripped means. Ripped is not 5% body fat at 150 pounds....That's just called being tiny. I just don't get why people obsess with being cut year round and for no good purpose. If you've got a show there's a reason to diet. If you've got a photo shoot there's reason to diet. If you're >15%bf there's reason to diet. Otherwise why not try to get bigger if you're already a devoted and loving slave to the iron.
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I usually here this from guys that are overweight or can't seem to cut. Some people would rather be 150 lbs (not me) but they feel good about themselves - why not?.
I dream of being 185 @ 5% BF I need 13lbs to go. I just think it looks cool when you are ripped and have a six pack. Just my .02
 
WCP said:



I just cannot help but shake my head and roll my eyes at guys who think 250mg test, 400mg deca and 20mg anavar is going to make them look better than 1g of test and an anti-estrogen will.

Sorry for the rant, just had to get some of that off my chest.

--Pusher
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Test? Yeah right...........more like

TREN

Fonz
 
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