there is a difference between flaming and a certain level of frustration that vets may feel from time to time when the same questions get asked by bros that just do not understand the world of gear--it is not just about pinning or taking a pill that help you gain some weight--there is an entire science and many schools of thought therein about ways to use aas. that said, no school of thougt would advocte winny as a 1st cycle unless you were a sprinter---and even then.....