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Why do all american cars suck so bad?

deco said:
Better yet, why do people even buy them?
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Some exceptions ... my 4 cylinder 2.3 liter Mazda designed Ford Ranger, Ford Crown Vics, Buick LeSabres, Dodge Cummings Diesels.
 
From all the american cars that I've driven or been in, come to think of it they were all pure junk. Even escalades and all your other fancy garbage. They drive like shit, they turn like shit and take up the most gas to do that out of all the cars taht I know off. Oh and the cars itself have a shit design, in and out.
 
deco said:
Better yet, why do people even buy them?
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As opposed to what? All foreign made cars arent better than all domestic ones. Which American cars have you owned that you think suck?
 
PICK3 said:
Some exceptions ... my 4 cylinder 2.3 liter Mazda designed Ford Ranger, Ford Crown Vics, Buick LeSabres, Dodge Cummings Diesels.
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The Ranger wasn't designed by Mazda, it just has a Mazda engine in it.
 
judging from families and friends cars which I've driven and been in and include ford explorer, expedtition, cadilac escalade, lincoln town car, chevy suburban, tahoe, jeep wrangler/cheorokee/grand and probobly few more that I can't remember now and rental cars if they count such as dodge stratus and ford f150, plymouth prowler and corvette

VS

Family owned cars (past/present) mercedes ml 430, s500, s430, land rover, range rover, toyota camry, nisan altima and other cars driven either friends or rented or loaned while one of the cars was being serviced in the dealeriship such as porcshe 911, several bmws, jaguars, toyotas and hondas, lexus, and probobly few more that i cant remember.
 
I'm not trying to bash on them but from my experience every single one of those cars delivered a far better driving pleasure and experience vs those of the american cars.

I just remembered that when I used to live in europe i also drove a few models of opel, renoult, pegout, citroen, shkoda, wv, audi and even the shitty yougo. From what I can remember, opel alone would tear any american midsize sedan a new hole.

and i dont know how to spell them so bite me
 
http://i.wp.pl/a/f/pjpeg/8777/antara-opel-01.jpg

tell me thats not better than some weak ass ford escape or some other bullshit car

http://www.thecarfanatics.com/shows/frankfurt/images/opel_insignia_01.jpg

or this one to a dodge. Keep in mind the engine will tear the dodge engine apart and use a whole lot less gas while doing it.

There's just no quality engeneering in american cars because people don't expect much out of them. No matter what they still buy them, even if its a piece of junk, so why change anything.

http://www.autointell.de/News-deutsch-2004/Juli-2004/Juli-2004-1/opel-insignia-115.jpg
 
my dodge neon couldn't even last 80k w/o major engine problem.

my honda accord is still kickin' ass at 200 clicks.
 
People love to say "buy American automobiles to support our economy"
and as much as I'd love to do that it just isn't smart.

If they want to also pay my numerous repairs and maintenance, then I would. Otherwise I will continue to buy reliable, fun imports.
 
alien amp pharm said:
People love to say "buy American automobiles to support our economy"
and as much as I'd love to do that it just isn't smart.

If they want to also pay my numerous repairs and maintenance, then I would. Otherwise I will continue to buy reliable, fun imports.
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wow dude, you do love your Bettle cabrio
 
I've seen my friends have a Camero, Chevy S10, Ford Explorer.....all seemed to have a problem every 2 months or so.

I am a Toyota loyal. My cars have included a
4x4 truck - had to replace a universal at 100K then sold it at 130K
Corolla - Sold at 55K not one problem
Camry - had to replace an alternator only then sold at 245K
Camry - Currently have at 155K - no problems so far
Tacoma - Currently have at 11K - no problems

So out of 596,000 miles total (all cars) I've had to replace an alternator and a universal joint.
Let's see American cars do that.
 
alien amp pharm said:
People love to say "buy American automobiles to support our economy"
and as much as I'd love to do that it just isn't smart.

If they want to also pay my numerous repairs and maintenance, then I would. Otherwise I will continue to buy reliable, fun imports.
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Exactly.

I believe the current stats say that an American car is TWICE as likely to have problems as a Japanese vehicle.
 
- poor quality standard

- highly unionized buttholes costing a fortune so they have to cut cheese somewhere....

- they just look ugly
 
manny78 said:
- poor quality standard

- highly unionized buttholes costing a fortune so they have to cut cheese somewhere....

- they just look ugly
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Are there Canadian cars?

I mean, US designed and built in Canada? is there a quaility difference to be noted?
 
alien amp pharm said:
I've seen my friends have a Camero, Chevy S10, Ford Explorer.....all seemed to have a problem every 2 months or so.

I am a Toyota loyal. My cars have included a
4x4 truck - had to replace a universal at 100K then sold it at 130K
Corolla - Sold at 55K not one problem
Camry - had to replace an alternator only then sold at 245K
Camry - Currently have at 155K - no problems so far
Tacoma - Currently have at 11K - no problems

So out of 596,000 miles total (all cars) I've had to replace an alternator and a universal joint.
Let's see American cars do that.
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Thats what I am talking about. Foreign cars are more relaible. Honestly I tend to lean on the Honda side only because they are cute IMO. We did however have a camry and it was nice. My sister had a 89 camry and that thing went on forever. We also had a nissan which really wasnt that bad.
I have a little over 100,000 on the car that my dad bought us (Ford taurus) He is all about american made..No wonder why he has a new car constantly. Any how, I have already put into this car almost as much as I did in my Honda and I had that for 6 years. Only thing she ever needed was a new oil pump. The Ford needed a new starter, needs to have a water pump foxed, and many other numerous issues with it. I however refuse to put any thing into it. My plan is to give it to my dad when I get my new car. Still havent decided what i want, but I do know it will NOT be american made.
 
deco said:
VS

Family owned cars (past/present) mercedes ml 430, s500, s430, land rover, range rover, toyota camry, nisan altima and other cars driven either friends or rented or loaned while one of the cars was being serviced in the dealeriship such as porcshe 911, several bmws, jaguars, toyotas and hondas, lexus, and probobly few more that i cant remember.
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lol at comparing regular american cars to luxury euro cars.'
no shit a porcshe 911 is a better car than a ford tarus
 
My first car was a Mazda 626, I beat the living hell out of that car and it just wouldn't quit. Put 200K miles and she remained a trooper.

I then had a Dodge Stratus, at 60K miles I was driving home from just getting 4 brand new tires put on and the transmission fucking dropped out from under my car. I was fucking pissed. Sent that bitch to the junk yard
 
pintoca said:
Are there Canadian cars?

I mean, US designed and built in Canada? is there a quaility difference to be noted?
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Most of the foreign automakers have plants in Canada. No quality difference that I know of although I admit, I have never seen a study comparing where the cars of particular manufacturers were built.
 
pintoca said:
Are there Canadian cars?

I mean, US designed and built in Canada? is there a quaility difference to be noted?
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Some of them are indeed. The collective agreements between canadian unions are the same. When a GM worker with no degree, makes as much as the average accountant you know there's a problem.
 
bluepeter said:
Most of the foreign automakers have plants in Canada. No quality difference that I know of although I admit, I have never seen a study comparing where the cars of particular manufacturers were built.
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Are there cars specially designed for the Canadian market? Like the Ford Mondeo was designed for the European market?

just curious if the quality are labor-related or it's more a corporate culture thing.

Thing is: Opel is a GM company... and Opel cars had in the past a very bad history of quality in germany until they understood that in order to thrive here, they needed to get their shit together, which they did.

Nowadays, Opel produces cars that are in direct competition with the other German manufacturers (of course in their relative markets) and have carved niches in other sectors, so here you see, an American driven company producing high-quality cars, basically because the market requires it.
 
pintoca said:
Are there cars specially designed for the Canadian market? Like the Ford Mondeo was designed for the European market?

just curious if the quality are labor-related or it's more a corporate culture thing.

Thing is: Opel is a GM company... and Opel cars had in the past a very bad history of quality in germany until they understood that in order to thrive here, they needed to get their shit together, which they did.

Nowadays, Opel produces cars that are in direct competition with the other German manufacturers (of course in their relative markets) and have carved niches in other sectors, so here you see, an American driven company producing high-quality cars, basically because the market requires it.
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I se what you're saying. The answer is no because that 'buy American' mentality has somehow permeated the Canadian market as well. It's ingrained in many people. God knows why. Not nearly as much as in the US itself but enough that American automakers can get away with the same trash.

Also, the American automakers offer huge incentives to buy their vehicles here. They are much more affordable up front which entices many people who don't have the cash to spend. I assume it's the same in the US. Nissan, Toyota, Honda etc. do not because they don't have to. If they did a little more, I believe they would squeeze most of the American cars from the Canadian market other than the brainwashed diehards.
 
bluepeter said:
I se what you're saying. The answer is no because that 'buy American' mentality has somehow permeated the Canadian market as well. It's ingrained in many people. God knows why. Not nearly as much as in the US itself but enough that American automakers can get away with the same trash.

Also, the American automakers offer huge incentives to buy their vehicles here. They are much more affordable up front which entices many people who don't have the cash to spend. I assume it's the same in the US. Nissan, Toyota, Honda etc. do not because they don't have to. If they did a little more, I believe they would squeeze most of the American cars from the Canadian market other than the brainwashed diehards.
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Interesting. I believe I can safely say that no other country is as diehard about "buy local" than Germany. I mean, every german driver there is prefer to buy a German car than anything else.

until recently.

Now I see more and more japanese cars on the road.... tides are turning and people are starting to realize that when it comes to an asset that loses value, it's all about getting the most bang for your buck. With quality not being a concern, the resell factor increases and that is something that everybody loves.

The younger generations are embracing this change faster, of course you still have all your 50-something and 60-something driving silver mercedes...

I drove German cars for 5 years, now I'm driving an "exotic" japanese
 
According to a Consumer Reports survey of 1 million vehicle owners.

Reliability: Top-ten ranked brands

1. Lexus

2. Honda

3. Toyota

4. Mitsubishi

5. Subaru

6. Acura

8. Mercury

9. Mazda

10. Suzuki
 
Y_lifter said:
According to a Consumer Reports survey of 1 million vehicle owners.

Reliability: Top-ten ranked brands

1. Lexus

2. Honda

3. Toyota

4. Mitsubishi

5. Subaru

6. Acura

8. Mercury

9. Mazda

10. Suzuki
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pretty daming evidence against the big 3...only mercury and mazda repping team USA...but i thought acura was a make of honda car?
 
Lexus = Toyota
Acura = Honda
Subaru = Toyota @ 9%, before them GM, before them Nissan

Unfortunately, the above survey was of Consumer Reports magazine and Web
subscribers. So most of them are likely to own the above vehicles as they get
the best ratings from the magazine. Vicious Circle .
 
Sad news is that even the Japs are starting to get lazy and sloppy..
and its showing in their quality control slipping.

I compromise and buy Japanese Designed vehicles that are manufactured
and assembled mostly in the US.
 
Ludendorf said:
lol at comparing regular american cars to luxury euro cars.'
no shit a porcshe 911 is a better car than a ford tarus
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No matter what you compare it to, american cars still fucking suck
 
Ludendorf said:
pretty daming evidence against the big 3...only mercury and mazda repping team USA...but i thought acura was a make of honda car?
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Well yeah, and Mercury is a brand of Ford.

LOL that Mercury would make the list and Ford not, since it's impossible for there to be any difference in quality. They're the same cars, made by the same hands, on the same assembly lines.
 
Mr. dB said:
Well yeah, and Mercury is a brand of Ford.

LOL that Mercury would make the list and Ford not, since it's impossible for there to be any difference in quality. They're the same cars, made by the same hands, on the same assembly lines.
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They dont clone every Fords out there and if I'm correct, they dont sell the Focus through their brand so that takes away part of the problems.
 
manny78 said:
They dont clone every Fords out there and if I'm correct, they dont sell the Focus through their brand so that takes away part of the problems.
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Perhaps. But every Mercury model has a direct Ford equivalent.
 
American cars suck because American roads are so good that most people don't notice that their cars have no real on-road ability. Pretty much anything with four wheels is adequate enough for our driving conditions.

The Europeans make good cars because they have, or had, superhighways with no speed limit, as well as crowded cities, narrow country lanes and winding mountain roads. The challenges their cars faced in the early days of the automobile created a auto culture that encouraged designs with good handling and high speed stability.
 
alien amp pharm said:
I've seen my friends have a Camero, Chevy S10, Ford Explorer.....all seemed to have a problem every 2 months or so.

I am a Toyota loyal. My cars have included a
4x4 truck - had to replace a universal at 100K then sold it at 130K
Corolla - Sold at 55K not one problem
Camry - had to replace an alternator only then sold at 245K
Camry - Currently have at 155K - no problems so far
Tacoma - Currently have at 11K - no problems

So out of 596,000 miles total (all cars) I've had to replace an alternator and a universal joint.
Let's see American cars do that.
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agreed.

but also, some toyotas for example are MADE IN THE USA.
 
Y_lifter said:
Tons of Toyotas and Nissans are manufactured and assembled in the US
by real actual Americans even..
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the real differentiator is 'design'.

american cars are designed poorly, and designed to blow up at 100k. More money for dealerships in selling more cars and service costs.
 
Smurfy said:
agreed.

but also, some toyotas for example are MADE IN THE USA.
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True. I read a statistic that compared a Toyota Sienna to a Mustang-
What's more American than the Ford Mustang? The Toyota Sienna, for one. The Mustang is assembled in Michigan. But 65% (by value) of the parts that compose it come from the U.S. and Canada. The Sienna, built in Princeton, Ind., contains 90% North American content.

http://www.forbes.com/business/forbes/2006/0508/058.html

It doesn't even matter anymore whether you buy "American" or "Foreign." True representation is nothing but a big clusterfuck these days.
 
velvett said:
Soon enough Ford will own a piece of all the car makers.
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Hardly. Ford are in almost as much financial trouble as GM right now.
 
I believe that US auto makers are a lot like Madison Avenue advertising directors -- they have contempt for the stupidity of the buying public and are looking for ways to sell them a bill of goods. Auto makers from other countries seem to be less cynical, although they're starting to catch up.
 
Mr. dB said:
Hardly. Ford are in almost as much financial trouble as GM right now.
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I know. Christ, they're totally on their ass now. Not good news.



I thought I read someone mention "buying American", which most Americans dont do anymore. Ford is now cutting it's work force in half, and GM has lost something like 30% of its former share of U.S. car sales over the last 25 years. Now we only have two major domestic manufacturers (Dodge/Chrysler is German owned now) and they both are going to be substantially smaller companies very soon.
 
...my 3.4L 97' 'yota 4x owns all american junk off-road... looking better too...
204k and running strong... if it were a '97 explorer of tahoe... it would fall apart it i tried to take it on the trails... and yes... ive had american cars...
lol @ my dad trying to sell me his chevy 1 ton van... tranny mis-shifts, oil leaks, half the guages dont work... rear door wont open right... and at only 90k...
another favorite of mine is his late 90's monte carlo... paint flaking off... oil leaks... more (what GM is famous for) tranny problems... ugly as sin...
they have to purchase a new suburban every other year... they just disetagrate... and they dont even drive theyre cars hard and they follow all the scheduled maintenance...
i change the oil on my 'yota around every 10k... go that long on an american car and its trashed
 
I'm glad American Auto makers (there's what 2 left?) got fucked.

As for workers - many have been hired by toyota, honda, etc.

You design shitty cars - that's what u get. American execs for years banding to make sure their cars would drive great - then fuck up. Then profit from selling newer cars to replace them. A 70s strategy that would amount to doom for them later downt he road.
 
Ford is already half dead

GM is in slighly better shape thanks to Kerkorian
 
Dont buy a durango, mine caught fire last month and I wasnt even driving it.. It was just parked and something ignited the electrical system. Truck was totalled.. Best built car in the world is Lexus! If i could afford one, thats what I would get..
 
Well what I'm mainly talking about is the design in/out, comfort and just overall driving experience.
To be honest, servicing and repairing some foreign cars can be just as much and way more in some cases. From what I've seen and heard, rovers and jaguars are probobly a nightmare for anyone without a complete bumper to bumper warranty.
 
deco said:
Well what I'm mainly talking about is the design in/out, comfort and just overall driving experience.
To be honest, servicing and repairing some foreign cars can be just as much and way more in some cases. From what I've seen and heard, rovers and jaguars are probobly a nightmare for anyone without a complete bumper to bumper warranty.
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Rover and Jaguar = Ford.
 
Apparently Toyota builds a higher percentage of cars in the US that are sold here than Ford. So the peeps that say buy US made should really be buying Toyotas.
 
well i had a supercharged 2000 corvette that fuckin pwned any european car besides the supercars, i will be buying a 2006 viper coupe and i dont think thats even close to being a piece of shit
 
Wootoom said:
well i had a supercharged 2000 corvette that fuckin pwned any european car besides the supercars, i will be buying a 2006 viper coupe and i dont think thats even close to being a piece of shit
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But your Corvette probably lost a lot more value than any euro. Aint only about specs.
 
manny78 said:
But your Corvette probably lost a lot more value than any euro. Aint only about specs.
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i know its not only about specs but im sick of hearing all this american car bashing, how can u say a viper is not a nice car. i buy a car firstly cause of looks, most mercedes/bmw never get noticed. why would i spend alot of money on a car that doesnt get noticed
 
Wootoom said:
i know its not only about specs but im sick of hearing all this american car bashing, how can u say a viper is not a nice car. i buy a car firstly cause of looks, most mercedes/bmw never get noticed. why would i spend alot of money on a car that doesnt get noticed
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if you live out in the country, those are nice cars to own. Shit even a mustang will do.
 
And I wouldn't worry about the looks all that much, it will get noticed by the right people.
 
Wootoom said:
i know its not only about specs but im sick of hearing all this american car bashing, how can u say a viper is not a nice car. i buy a car firstly cause of looks, most mercedes/bmw never get noticed. why would i spend alot of money on a car that doesnt get noticed
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Viper looks nice. Just not my type. 8.3L for 500hp is not the kind of engine I like. Different strokes for different folks.
 
theprofessor said:
...my 3.4L 97' 'yota 4x owns all american junk off-road... looking better too...
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....only if you exclude Jeep from the running (especially Rubicon). Plus they can be easily modded for lifts/other offroad gear. Hell, they're practically built with that in mind.
 
pintoca said:
Are there cars specially designed for the Canadian market? Like the Ford Mondeo was designed for the European market?

just curious if the quality are labor-related or it's more a corporate culture thing.

Thing is: Opel is a GM company... and Opel cars had in the past a very bad history of quality in germany until they understood that in order to thrive here, they needed to get their shit together, which they did.

Nowadays, Opel produces cars that are in direct competition with the other German manufacturers (of course in their relative markets) and have carved niches in other sectors, so here you see, an American driven company producing high-quality cars, basically because the market requires it.
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third reich opels

http://www.autogallery.org.ru/gopel.htm
 
Mr. dB said:
The Ranger wasn't designed by Mazda, it just has a Mazda engine in it.
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Thanks the clearing that up for me. Ok let me restate for the record, the Ranger wasn't designed by Mazda ... just the entire drivetrain :rolleyes:
 
PICK3 said:
Thanks the clearing that up for me. Ok let me restate for the record, the Ranger wasn't designed by Mazda ... just the entire drivetrain :rolleyes:
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Okay then, do you see the I-4 Ranger with Mazda engine as an entirely different design than a V-6 Ranger with a Ford engine? They're both the same vehicle except for the engine and (maybe) transmission, so one qualifies as a "Mazda design" and the other doesn't? Or a 2006 Ranger with the Mazda four, vs. a 1996 Ranger with a 2.3 liter Pinto engine?
 
Mr. dB said:
Okay then, do you see the I-4 Ranger with Mazda engine as an entirely different design than a V-6 Ranger with a Ford engine? They're both the same vehicle except for the engine and (maybe) transmission, so one qualifies as a "Mazda design" and the other doesn't? Or a 2006 Ranger with the Mazda four, vs. a 1996 Ranger with a 2.3 liter Pinto engine?
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Aint nothing wrong with a Pinto engine
 
I agree, I just looked and test drove a Toyota Avalon .. any thoughts I have never owned a toyota however I have a 02 lincoln with 62000.00 miles and the front ujoints and tie rods are worn out. Not to mention I just replaced the transmission $2675.00....
 
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