WHY CARDIO makes you FAT!

[jboldman]

Ah the proof. Nelson finally posts his logical proof that cardio does not work. let's see , what is it, oh, the fat finishers at marathons are those that have trained for so long that their bodies have adapted and are now fat because running 26 miles has no meatabolic effect. Go to the head of the class.

jb

Okay, why not...

Quick points.

Everyone who talks about how much weight they lost doing cardio started out overweight. ANY exersice will make you lose weight if you're overweight and overeating.

Fact:Cardio is exercise. PERIOD! It is nothing magical. It is simply activity. Anything it does, weight training does better.

Why are people dissing the author of that piece because he's a Chiropractor? Are the people who disagree any more qualified? I know many chiropractors who will tell you they see more messed up knees from...quess who? Runners.

And by the way, here in NY they hold the Mrtathon every fall and my wife and I usually go to Central Park for the finish -- and let me tell you -- we see A LOT of fat people crossing that finish line. (Except for the top guys from Kenya who weigh 120 pounds)

Zyg is right that the body adapts to any activity but he overlooked one simple fact -- weight training is by nature progressive. The resistance increases as you progress. That isn't the case with aerobics. And as proven by the fat finishers of the Marathon, after a while, the ability to execute the activity provides no alteration of body composition.

Now feel free to disagree. (But you'll be wrong).

 

[brownpaperbag04]

Ah the proof. Nelson finally posts his logical proof that cardio does not work. let's see , what is it, oh, the fat finishers at marathons are those that have trained for so long that their bodies have adapted and are now fat because running 26 miles has no meatabolic effect. Go to the head of the class.

jb

I find it fucking hilarious that you even posted that on this site. ...you tried to make your point by avoiding the facts:

1. Cardio (running) breaks down muscle
2. Most runners...although appearing to be skinny have a large BF% because they do so much running it continuously breaks down muscle to feed the energy their bodies needs to run.

If you want to support cardio, fine...yes calories in + calories out = gain/loss. BUT for overall BF loss for a prolonged period of time, weight training is much better. Weight training is also better because most people will be able to do it throughout their entire lives, unlike cardio.

If you want to make the point that cardio works just say you use it with roids/supplements while weight training and don't lose muscle...that is about the only viable example.

 

[variation]

note that many long distance runners eat mass amounts of carbohydrates to ensure their live/muscle glycogen stores are full.

nelson said exercise burns calories.. maybe I missed something but I don't think he said he was agreeing that it makes you fat, just that without progession your body will adapt to any particular situation, though I believe you can progress in running for example..

saying any one thing makes you fat is rediculous, 1 factor can mean very little in a large array of possible counter factors.

for every action, their is a reaction and for every reaction there is usually a possible counter action and it goes on... bottom line... you will find with most things there are many ways to accomplish similar end results.

hence why people will say 'oh this diet works it's the best'

then some other will tell how another diet is the best...

 

[brownpaperbag04]

The point I was making was directed to a lifelong scenario. I thought I made that clear. There are many things that make people start being less active throughout their lives (injury, laziness, social stuff, medical conditions, etc.). In any case, assuming they only do cardio, which has broken down their muscles...so they're not burning as many calories a day, then stop doing the cardio THEY WILL get fat faster.

When I say faster, I'm talking in relation to weight lifting.

The bottom line:
CARDIO ->
1) burns calories & breaks down muscle...causing less calories to be burned
2) is harder to do regularly throughout life

WEIGHT LIFTING ->
1) burns calories & builds muscle...causing more calories to be burned
2) easier to do regularly throughout life

 

[poantrex]

The point I was making was directed to a lifelong scenario. I thought I made that clear. There are many things that make people start being less active throughout their lives (injury, laziness, social stuff, medical conditions, etc.). In any case, assuming they only do cardio, which has broken down their muscles...so they're not burning as many calories a day, then stop doing the cardio THEY WILL get fat faster.

When I say faster, I'm talking in relation to weight lifting.

The bottom line:
CARDIO ->
1) burns calories & breaks down muscle...causing less calories to be burned
2) is harder to do regularly throughout life

WEIGHT LIFTING ->
1) burns calories & builds muscle...causing more calories to be burned
2) easier to do regularly throughout life

CARDIO >>

BURNS MUSCLE IF YOU DONT PRACTICE PROPER NUTRITION, DONT DO IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH WEIGHTLIFTING, AND DO IT EXCESSIVELY. PERIOD!

I do cardio reguarly and never have a problem with muscle wasting.

 

[variation]

everything is relative to other factors...

the amount of muscle burned during cardio(in the sense of aerobics such as running, will depend on certain factors, like intensity and amount of glycogen in the liver.

I don't see why it would be harder to do regularily throughout life, I guess that depends on the person....

weightlifting, burns calories and builds muscle(but pretty much only when consuming excess calories.. over maitanance) so factor 1 that it burns calories doesn't become a large issue if the person other wise would have eaten normally and not in excess to become obese.

and I don't see why it is nescaserrily easier to do then cardio in the sense of aerobics throughout life, but again I guess it depends on the person.

 

[BonerBoy]

FUCK CARDIO!

Word

 

[jboldman]

"fucking hilarious" is how i would describe this too. No one is suggesting cardio v weighttraining, we are on a bbing board, i think there might be an implicit assumption that most if not all of us here are doing weight training. What we are talking about is doing moderate amounts of non-resistance exercise which we term cardio for weight loss and fitness. No one is saying that weight training is bad, does not burn calories, yada yada, what we are saying is that moderate cardio in conjuction with weight training will allow for additional weight loss WITHOUT muscle loss.
What, cardio causes you to lose muscle? OK, show me! Just one teensy weensy study that shows moderate cardio in a healthy weight trained individual will cause a loss in lbm. Hmm, having trouble with that?

Did you check the title of this thread? It mentions cardio, i nowhere see lifelong marathon running mentioned as the cardio referenced. You are employing a typical montanarism, taking a very small subset of a class and using it to draw generalisms back to the much larger class.

Avoiding the facts? Huh? Can't do cardio all your life but can do weight lifting? Listen carefully, cardio can be many things including weight lifting, it is not exclusively running! Somehow i think the likelyhood that most of us will be able to walk around the block into our later years is much likier than bench pressing.

I really think you have missed the whole point of the discussion, we are not talking about either/or, we are talking about both!

Back to the muscle loss thing again? For something oft repeated but never proven all you have to do is come up that that single study. Afterall, the world is filled with exercise physiologists that have just about researched everything to death, surely ONE of them must have thought about this?

I'm not sure why so many folks have their undies in a bundle about this, it seems pretty simple, do it if it floats your boat, don't if it doesn't but until you can come up with something better than fat marathoners for proof leave well enough alone. Nelson really does not need any more sycophants.

jb

I find it fucking hilarious that you even posted that on this site. ...you tried to make your point by avoiding the facts:

1. Cardio (running) breaks down muscle
2. Most runners...although appearing to be skinny have a large BF% because they do so much running it continuously breaks down muscle to feed the energy their bodies needs to run.

If you want to support cardio, fine...yes calories in + calories out = gain/loss. BUT for overall BF loss for a prolonged period of time, weight training is much better. Weight training is also better because most people will be able to do it throughout their entire lives, unlike cardio.

If you want to make the point that cardio works just say you use it with roids/supplements while weight training and don't lose muscle...that is about the only viable example.

 

[JKurz1]

This is an absolute ridiculous post. Plain and Simple. If I was a moderator, I'd woud have deleted it WAY before it could get out of control, which is obviously has done. Here it is. Cardio is benefitial for dropping excess bodyfat (and possible some hard earned musle if done incorrectly.) It's extremely mundane and takes pure dedication to do it often enough for it to be benefitial. If nothing else, it's also key for a healthly heart and lifestyle. NOW, we aren't talking running a triatholon or taking to the streets for 30+ miles. A mere 30 minutes on the treadmill or eliptical will do many fat bodybuilders justice. I, for one, use it only when I feel it's necessary to get down to 5-6%bf. Currenty, I'm about 8%. I train my ass off and will toss in a little cardio 3-4x a week for shits and giggles so I'm not sucking wind when I need to drop a few more % points and do it 5-6x a week. Just for clarification, my bench is around 350 and military around 225, so I'm not too much of a pud. I see too many fat ass bodybuilders who train (well, thats what they call it, they are in the gym) using 5x5 and talking on their cell between sets. They are the ones I hear say "CARDIO? F- CARDIO!)

Anywho, point is to each his own. Many of my comp. bodybuilders do little-no cardio up until about 4 weeks out. Some, do it all through bulking and cutting. We all metoblize fat and calories differently......so don't generalize shit by saying Cardio will make you fat.........toss it in a little bit and see if you don't FIANLLY see that thing called a six pack hiding under your chub......

 

[pharmguy]

JKurz is right on the money.