If you want to keep the muscle and do the cardio you gotta take the drugs. My friend and i have done about 6 cycles together. When we do a cutter, we do a cutter. Cardio out the ass, and good clean strict diet. You gotta do the cardio, diet alone aint enough, to get really ripped. When we do the cut cycles, we always keep the muscle we gained form the previous bulk cycle and we even put on a few pounds of lean muscle in the process. Well his girl found out what he was doing and said "me or the steroids". He quit, right before we were getting ready to start a cutting cycle, we had finished up a nice bulk cycle and were ready to shed some of the fat we put on. Well, I got on some winny, anavar, and a little test. He stayed natural. I aint lying when I say I could see the muscle coming off of him after about 2 weeks of doing cardio. I told him since he was natural he might want to cut back or even stop the cardio and stick to a strict diet. Well he went on for another 3 weeks of the cardio (5-6 times a week) and the fool got smaller then he has ever been. Finally he agreed what was happening and he stopped the cardio. He is finally putting some muscle back on. Now he aint getting as ripped as me like he usually does when he is doing cardio, (which is pissing him off) but at least he aint losing muscle. The point is, I guess, if you wanna get shredded, I mean shredded, you have to do THE CARDIO! Diet alone aint gonna do it. And from my experience to keep the muscle while doing the cardio, you gotta be on the juice.