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Why are PRO's so weak! Curling 35 dumbells with soi much trouble!

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I can't beleive how some people with 20 inch guns are straining under heavy loads of 25-40pound dumbells! HOW is it possible that these guys with such massive guns curl so little? Any ideas? I know I know, the roids. But aren't they supposed to make you stronger as well? How much did the pros curl naturally? 5 pounds??


reply please!
 
I have a friend who's been working out for about 3 years now, he's never touched any drugs but eats clean and he can do 3 sets of 10 with 25kg dumbells. That's 55 lb. I couldn't believe it when he told me. I can't even lift that for 1 rep!
Yeah ok I'm just starting out, can't you tell :D
I tried a chinup last night. I almost made it. How embarrassing!!!
 
I could do it too but my form would be the same as 90% of the people in the gym. Maybe he does all of the reps with strict form but I never believe people until I see them do it.
 
I have a friend who's been working out for about 3 years now, he's never touched any drugs but eats clean and he can do 3 sets of 10 with 25kg dumbells. That's 55 lb. I couldn't believe it when he told me. I can't even lift that for 1 rep!

It's good but not amazing bro. I was able to do reps of 5 at 60lbs in one year. I know it's all different for all of us but some natural guys out there can use 100+lbs for dumb bell curls.
 
pros dont do that, i curl from 50-60's with reps, and i am all natural. i knew a guy that was curlin 90's one day at the gym. i've read about some pros curlin 275 on the barbell for about 6 reps or somethin like that
 
#1 why do you think they are weak?

Pros are very strong. my buddy curls 80's for 6 reps with GOOD form and on the easy curl a 45+25lb plate on each side for 6 good reps. his upper arms are about 18.5" I got stronger tris than biceps but I can still take the 65's for a ride with decent form.

I'm sure any half-ass pro can curl with 75-100's. However most those guys curl less for more reps because that will produce more growth (typically).
 
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Pro bodybuilders generally aren't weak. They are very strong compared to the average population but their strength generally pales in comparison to even lower-mid level powerlifters. They use light weight for training photos because they have to hold the dumbbell or barbell in a static position for minutes at a time to get the proper angle & lighting for a pic. And likewise the pics you see of bodybuilders benching 700 & squatting 8-900 are faked as well, wooden or hollow aluminum plates are used with 2 45 lb plates for balance. Dorian was one of the strongest bodybuilders in recent history but he would get blown out of the water at even a mid level powerlifting meet. Then again, Dorian had a much better physique than most powerlifters, its all what you want out of it I guess, maximum strength or a very pretty physique.
 
I think Jeremy21 and Valdez both got it right. I don't believe, that pro-bodybuilders consider 25-40 pound dumbbells even close to heavy.

It has to be said, that being a powerlifter myself, I don't know much about bodybuilding, but in my gym 25-40 pound dumbbells are definitely for the mediocre lifters, who only lift for fun and don't have any ambition of ever participating in any competition. You know, lifters closing in on their forties, growing grey hair and having trouble reaching below their oversized stomach. Damn, that sounds like me! :)

Anyway, I've just started doing dumbbell curls again after a few months break and yesterday I did 7 reps with 50 pound dumbbells. So I find it very hard to believe that pro-BB's will be using 25-40 pound dumbbells for anything else than warm-up.
 
I would Imagine during a Photo Shoot, the model has to do many, many reps until they get the shots they need.
That would be one reason why the weights they are using are lighter in those shots.
 
Every once in a while, SSAlexSS posts something that makes me think he has some sense. And then he goes and posts something like this... What a freakin' idiot.

FYI, Please think about what you are posting before you hit the "submit" button.
 
The only time these boys lift light weights are usually back stage at a show when they are pumping up and that is the only time!!!
 
tag166 said:
The only time these boys lift light weights are usually back stage at a show when they are pumping up and that is the only time!!!

uh what? so how did they get the way they did again? Electrical stimulus? Plyometrics? Bowflex? It's not like they can simply take AS and grow w/o weight training, you know.

oh wait... you said LIGHT weights... time for me to have my eyes checked
 
pros aretn week they curl with like 70 lb dumbells i dont konw wehere u r seeing this 35 lb dumbless
 
uh what? so how did they get the way they did again? Electrical stimulus? Plyometrics? Bowflex? It's not like they can simply take AS and grow w/o weight training, you know.

oh wait... you said LIGHT weights... time for me to have my eyes checked [/B][/QUOTE]

What another waste of space on the poll
 
When I was 220 pounds my arms were 18 inches cold now that I am 185 pounds they are just under 17. At 220 pound, as well as now, I couldn't curl 50 pounds for three reps using good form. I usually use 30 pounds for my dumbell curls. Preacher curls I do a max of 65 pounds. I've never being good at curling heavy weights in the gym but my arms are my best part. I think I could use 20 pound dumbells and still build good arms. The people I see lifting big weights on dumbells look like they are practicing their ten pin bowling. I'm sure their are some strong people out there who can lift 80 pounds with good form but to say that people who train with 25-40 pound dumbells are mediocre in there training is a joke as far as I'm concerned. I don't care how much I lift; I'm only worried about my form and been able to go to failure. If I was worried about the weight I would take up powerlifting. The biggest mistake I see in training is people being too worried about the weight the guy next to them is lifting. As far as I'm concerned bodybuilding is not about how much you can lift.
 
I know a pro who alternates light weights with superheavy, but he really knows how to make the most out of a light weight, really milking out the form and still build grueling intensity

- 100 procent focus
- no momentem
- squeeze the hell out of a top contraction
- shortening the rest period to about 45 seconds

ME, i am a natural, i can do 6 somewhat sloppy reps with 60 pounds db or 10 decent reps with 50's

That's good if u are a female pro but male pros do this for warmup hehe
 
Some possibilities:

- You're doing preacher curls and they're doing isolation curls.
- You caught them on the tail end of a drop set and didn't realize they were using the 80s a few minutes ago.
- They are doing something different, like moving the weight very S L O W... om mani padma hum, om mani padma hum...
- They have plastic bicep implants. Yuck! That's one
thing I would never do to look good. That, and the crystals
that swell up in your muscles. Ick.
- They are trying to mess with your mind because they hate people watching and rating them while they're trying to train.
- They are doing 200 reps to lose fat from their biceps. I do this instead of treadmills for my cardio. Works great.

I've heard in an interview with a guy who trained
with Arnold S. that he used 50-lb dumbells for his
biceps.
 
goahead said:
"I know a pro who alternates light weights with superheavy, but he really knows how to make the most out of a light weight, really milking out the form and still build grueling intensity

- 100 procent focus
- no momentem
- squeeze the hell out of a top contraction
- shortening the rest period to about 45 seconds

ME, i am a natural, i can do 6 somewhat sloppy reps with 60 pounds db or 10 decent reps with 50's

That's good if u are a female pro but male pros do this for warmup hehe"



I don't know any pros.
 
Most of you make it sound like all pro bodybuilders are the same. There are pro bodybuilders that have superior strength and then there are weak bodybuilders that have huge bodies but they are chemically enhanced for the most part. Then there are pro's that are in the middle. WTF
 
ThickLEE said:
It never fails, another dumb fucking post.
Where do you get your info?
You must be a pure fucking idiot!!!

Dear ThickLee:
I can never be completely amused at replies that people do! I learn quite a bit about people on the board!!

I don't know about you, but I have stoped swearing behind my computer on a chat boards after I turned 15!
I hope you are 15 and we can all forgive you!

sincerely yours,

SSAlexSS
 
DEAR FAGGOT:

Believe me, people learn plenty from you. (THAT YOU DONT KNOW DICK).
I'm far from 15 little man.

HEY, DONT GET MAD AT ME BECAUSE YOU GET FLAMED FOR STUPIDITY!!!

LOOK AT THE THREAD, OBVIOSLY I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT FEELS THIS WAY
 
I have to side with Thick Lee
SSALexSS = moron
Im not flaming for no reason but you truly deserve it
Go do some fucken research first before you do any assumptions
and post stupid threads like this

I scroll down the page and whenever I see a thread from you
Its always guaranteed its a stupid poll or another retarded
thread
 
Chris V. said:
I have to side with Thick Lee
SSALexSS = moron
Im not flaming for no reason but you truly deserve it
Go do some fucken research first before you do any assumptions
and post stupid threads like this

I scroll down the page and whenever I see a thread from you
Its always guaranteed its a stupid poll or another retarded
thread

This question is VERY REASONABLE. Nothing is stupid about it!

As for me doing research. I HAVE DONE IT. I seen movies and pictures of pro's moving tiny amounts of weight and many people ALREADY KNOW how benching 315 pounds is a lot for some of the pros.

I am not a moron, I post much more intelligent posts. Since I know quite a bit I don't post "conventional" posts, like "Will pec flyes build my chest" or "will leg extensions work as good as squats"? Those questions are truly "ignorant". Note, I don't say "dumb" or "retarded" etc.

Again, when I post truly interesting and worthy discussion questions, all posts with your name on it have very negative answers.

C'mon, I am not being negative like some. \

21inch arms, jeremy, playdo, sniperwor, all had something GOOD to say. They actually went thinking into the question. Not ignoring it and calling names. That truly shows their intelligence.

"A mans weakness can be determined by the amount of critism that comes from his mind"
 
when you say benchin 315 is hard for some of the pros who are you talkin about? just wondering if you actually know who they are or are they worthy pro's and some rookie that will never go anywhere.
 
mikelong23 said:
when you say benchin 315 is hard for some of the pros who are you talkin about? just wondering if you actually know who they are or are they worthy pro's and some rookie that will never go anywhere.

I can't remember any names in particular. But I read that on THIS site. And remember most pros stick to 8-10 reps, so you do not move a lot of weight.
Again pros are concerned with the size not the strenth.

I do know that Ronnie benches alot (he was a powerlifter). So didn arnie. But even arnold schwrtznegger who was a powerlifter benched in 400s, not that much. AND HE WAS A POWERLIFTER TOO! So I can imagine what non-powerlifting bbers lift...

I can tell you that Flex Wheeler is the laziest bb'er out there. He would be on top of my list on "weak" pros. I wish I had his genetics... I saw him (on tv) doing lat pulldowns with like 150 pounds! And he only did few reps..... Again, with his back muscles, theoretically he should be doing lats in 250-300 range, yet he doesn't.

It is not really that surprising about strenth, some of the muscle size is due to water accumulation rather than actual muscle fiber increase. After all, muscle size + strenth is only LOOSELY related. If powerlifters are so damn strong, why aren't they so damn big?

Use me as an example: My legs are naturally big, but I am weak with them. While one guy was the exact opposite, his legs were small but he was strong.
 
lmao at this thread.

*tries to think of way to phrase everything he wants to say in rebuttal*

*fails*

*brain leaks out of ears*
 
do you know flex wheeler personally? just because you saw him on tv doing lat pulldowns with 150lbs doesn't mean that is his max. you sound like a complete dickhead when you make these statement's. in other words, SHUT THE FUCK UP!:doublefi:
 
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THE BOUNCER said:
do you know flex wheeler personally? just because you saw him on tv doing lat pulldowns with 150lbs doesn't mean that is his max. you sound like a complete dickhead when you make these statement's. in other words, SHUT THE FUCK UP!:doublefi:

EVERYONE KNOWS HIM!

Even arnie kept telling us how lazy Flex is. That is why he never won Mr 0, unlike dorian yates who trained his a&& off, wheeler just sleeps.

Half of the pro's sleep when they train!
 
SSAlexSS said:


EVERYONE KNOWS HIM!

Even arnie kept telling us how lazy Flex is. That is why he never won Mr 0, unlike dorian yates who trained his a&& off, wheeler just sleeps.

Half of the pro's sleep when they train!
another smart statement!:destroy:
 
SSAlexSS A.K.A FUCKIN MORON...Do you actually believe flex wheeler does lat pulldown with 150lb's just because you saw it on tv??? Your a fuckin schmuck!!!! it was probably his fuckin warmup set..btw where did you see this?? And you think the only reason flex didnt win the Olympia was because he was lazy?? hahaahhaha...oh yeah i guess because hes lazy and slacks off he only gets 2nd place!!!!!! and hes won the arnold classic a handful of times.. Do you believe everything you hear??? Do us all all a favor and go kill yourself.....your a waste of space.
 
dmxdmx112v said:
SSAlexSS A.K.A FUCKIN MORON...Do you actually believe flex wheeler does lat pulldown with 150lb's just because you saw it on tv??? Your a fuckin schmuck!!!! it was probably his fuckin warmup set..btw where did you see this?? And you think the only reason flex didnt win the Olympia was because he was lazy?? hahaahhaha...oh yeah i guess because hes lazy and slacks off he only gets 2nd place!!!!!! and hes won the arnold classic a handful of times.. Do you believe everything you hear??? Do us all all a favor and go kill yourself.....your a waste of space.


MY EXACT THOUGHTS!!!!!!!!

THIS KID IS A FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!!!
 
dmxdmx112v said:
SSAlexSS A.K.A FUCKIN MORON...Do you actually believe flex wheeler does lat pulldown with 150lb's just because you saw it on tv??? Your a fuckin schmuck!!!! it was probably his fuckin warmup set..btw where did you see this?? And you think the only reason flex didnt win the Olympia was because he was lazy?? hahaahhaha...oh yeah i guess because hes lazy and slacks off he only gets 2nd place!!!!!! and hes won the arnold classic a handful of times.. Do you believe everything you hear??? Do us all all a favor and go kill yourself.....your a waste of space.

Flex Wheelr has a very rare defect in myostatin. He gains muscle much easier than other people. While normal people have to use big poundages to get ANY size gain, he can gain muscle with less weight used.

2nd place thing. GENETICS! he is one of the if not THE MOST GENETICALLY GIFTEAD PERSON. Seing how bodybuilding at an elite level is 99.9% genetics, it explains how lazy people can get high up there...

Just because YOU are the one who doesn't know the facts, it gives you no right to attack other people.
 
ThickLEE said:



MY EXACT THOUGHTS!!!!!!!!

THIS KID IS A FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!!!


Me idiot? ummm....


I have things to say, YOU DON'T! All you can do is swear! If the word isn't 4 letter and starting with F, you don't get it! I ask a legitmate question, and what do you get?????

Powerlifters are very strong but not that huge (muscular wise), while bodybuilders are huge they aren't as strong. Something has to be going on in there. Obviously some people can't reply with decent replies, that is fine not everyone is born to be Einstein...
Just I don't want to know who is immature.

As I said. Just because some stuff is too hard to handle, don't handle it at all! We don't allow children in a Air Traffic Control room!
 
SSAlexSS said:


Flex Wheelr has a very rare defect in myostatin. He gains muscle much easier than other people. While normal people have to use big poundages to get ANY size gain, he can gain muscle with less weight used.

2nd place thing. GENETICS! he is one of the if not THE MOST GENETICALLY GIFTEAD PERSON. Seing how bodybuilding at an elite level is 99.9% genetics, it explains how lazy people can get high up there...

Just because YOU are the one who doesn't know the facts, it gives you no right to attack other people.
where have you heard about the defect in his myostatin gene? I would just like to know were you find these facts of yours.
 
Belial said:
This thread makes my crack itch.


Me too! Thick lee and such have nothing to add other than their stupidity!


Belial, don't be sad. Thicklee will grow up, eventually! People at 15 behave strange! Lots of testerone! He may not be 15 year old but only 15 year olds behave that way!
 
THE BOUNCER said:
where have you heard about the defect in his myostatin gene? I would just like to know were you find these facts of yours.

Search for BALCO laboratories in any search engine. They specialize in studieynbg the athletes....

I posted the article which I originally found at
http://208.17.144.14/Anabolic/Anafo...+info+RE:+Flex+Wheeler.&Forum_Title=TNT+FORUM

Some quotes from the article

"Flex was one of only nine extreme responders that had the very rare "myostatin mutation." Myostatin is the gene that "limits muscle growth." Specifically, Flex had the rarest form of myostatin mutation at the "exon 2" position on the gene. This simply means Flex has a much larger number of muscle fibers compared to the other subjects or the normal population. "

and the best quote
"Its a pity depite having the best genetics and favourable conditions (read drugs) for producing muscle, Flex has all but pissed his chance away at ever claiming a Sandow."






-----------------------
October 1, 1998

Re: Flex Wheeler

To whom it may concern:

I am writing this letter per the request of Flex Wheeler.

I would first like to briefly provide you with some background information regarding BALCO
Laboratories. BALCO has been working with elite Olympic and professional athletes for over
fifteen years. BALCO has provided testing and consultation for over 250 NFL players including
the entire 1998 Super Bowl Champion Denver Broncos team and the entire Miami Dolphins
team. BALCO works with professional athletes in many sports including teenis (Michael Chang,
Jim Courier, etc.), hockey, bodybuilding (10 of the 16 1998 Mr. Olympia contestants), track and
field, soccer and basketball (Seattle SuperSonics).

BALCO Laboratories has been testing and monitoring Flex on a routine basis during the last
year. We have performed tests including blood chemistry (SMAC), complete blood count (CBC),
PSA, anabolic hormone levels, genotyping as well as comprehensive testing for nutritional
elements. Flex's test results have been compared to twenty-four other professional
bodybuilders and overall he has one of the healthiest profiles. Basically, Flex is in excellent
health and has demonstrated the discipline necessary to maintain a peak level of conditioning.

Flex was a participant in a study we recently conducted in collaboration with the Department
of Human Genetics at the University of Pittsburgh involving 62 men who made unusually large
gains in muscle mass in response to strength training (extreme responders). Flex was one of
only nine extreme responders that had the very rare "myostatin mutation." Myostatin is the
gene that "limits muscle growth." Specifically, Flex had the rarest form of myostatin mutation
at the "exon 2" position on the gene. This simply means Flex has a much larger number of
muscle fibers compared to the other subjects or the normal population. We believe that these
are the very first myostatin mutation findings in humans and the results of this landmark study
have already been submitted for publication. Flex was also found to have a very unusual type
of the IGF-1 gene. In fact, Flex was the only participant in the study that did not have a
"match." All of the other extreme responders had at least three other subjects with a matching
IGF-1 gene. Based upon Flex's very unique genetic profile, we plan to expeditiously publish a
scientific paper that reveals his complete genotype in specific detail. The publication of his
remarkable genetic data should generate an enormous amount of media exposure.

Hope this information will be helpful and please call if I can be of assistance.

Sincerely,

/s/ Victor Conte

Victor Conte
President
BALCO Laboratories, Inc.

I thought it was really interesting. Especially the part concerning the myostatin mutation that Flex posesses.
Myostatin is a protein that inhibits muscle growth, and if the gene that produces myostatin is removed, then
an increase in the number of muscle fibres increases.

Also interesting was the fact, "Flex was also found to have a very unusual type of the IGF-1 gene. In fact,
Flex was the only participant in the study that did not have a "match."

Its a pity depite having the best genetics and favourable conditions (read drugs) for producing muscle, Flex
has all but pissed his chance away at ever claiming a Sandow.

See boys its true. In the long run it all comes down to what genes mummy and daddy passed on to us. It's
what we make with those genes that counts.
 
That is a very interesting article. I wonder why the magazines don't make that more known to the public? Thanks for the good read! You should post that in a new thread so others can read.
 
Just like someone mentioned earlier, the weight you see in the pictures of the magazines are just for the camera. They want to give the public a look of perfect form. This way they cut out most dumb injuries that might accur during the picture shoot.
 
SSAlexSS said:


Powerlifters are very strong but not that huge (muscular wise), while bodybuilders are huge they aren't as strong. Something has to be going on in there.

Seen Dave Fisher recently.......the bros very strong.............also see kovacs!
 
THE BOUNCER said:
That is a very interesting article. I wonder why the magazines don't make that more known to the public? Thanks for the good read! You should post that in a new thread so others can read.

This is a very respectful counter post I must say. I wonder if thicklee would post such a retraction statement.
 
I usually don't respond to such opinionated topics but here it goes. Most photo shoots are done after a major competetion that is why the bodybuilder are so ripped. The weight they use is light because of the intense strain it takes to compete then do a photo shoot, where you lift weights for hours to get the proper angle symmetry and flex. This is why the weight is very light, In an article with Tom Prince and I think David Derth they explained how they go light at photo shoots so they don't rip anything because their bodies are still recooping from the severe dieting and dehydration factor.

In general bodybuilders are very strong, but they are not as strong as powerlifters, because powerlifters train to lift maximun weight, were as bodybuilders go for size leaness and symmetry.
 
Alex, if I were you I'd seriously consider shooting myself. Have you noticed that everyone hates you and think you're a fucking retard (that's right, I sweared, cry about it if you like)??

You keep reading and viewing pointless shit and everytime you come back a bit dumber. You never seem to learn anything.

-Zulu
 
Lots of bodybuilders go heavy...lots go light with high high high reps.

B True
 
Who awakened this thread from the dead? I remember this from over a year ago. How embarrasing for SSidiotSS. I hope you have learned a little since you posted this...
 
I don't know where you got the impression they're weak...
IF you saw some Dudes in gym's curling this... and thought (man they're weak) maybe it was the end of the work out, stirp sets or something of that sort... When I do my strip sets at the end of my work out, I usually use really light weight! And I'm sure guys in the gym are watching thinking (wtf??? I can lift more than that!) But if they worked out with me... they wouldn't even lift there arms at that point in my work out!!!!
 
Hey, for all the villification SSAlexSS gets, he does stir debates and his threads go on for long times, and I usually actually learn something from reading the threads he starts.

I agree that he is usually wrong, and the stuff he says upsets me a lot too, but there's no reason to tell him to shoot himself. Please, guys, if you hate him that much just ignore him. I know I'd rather spark an interesting debate than have my thread drop to the bottom of the list with no replies. THAT's the worse feeling.

JC
 
Can some moderator erase this thread please?

I was stupid when I posted this...

I now know the REAL answer to the topic of this thread.


hey we all have to learn some day!



erase this entire thread please!
 
SSAlexSS said:
Can some moderator erase this thread please?

I was stupid when I posted this...

I now know the REAL answer to the topic of this thread.


hey we all have to learn some day!



erase this entire thread please!

funny, how you said in this post that it is not very good to insult other members on the board, yet you do it to me :mad:
 
La0Tz3 said:
I have a friend who's been working out for about 3 years now, he's never touched any drugs but eats clean and he can do 3 sets of 10 with 25kg dumbells. That's 55 lb. I couldn't believe it when he told me. I can't even lift that for 1 rep!
Yeah ok I'm just starting out, can't you tell :D
I tried a chinup last night. I almost made it. How embarrassing!!!


when i was 17, i was curling 20kg dumbells no worries....
 
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