Why Are 500,000 Veterans Homeless This Year?

[MattTheSkywalker]

Or Pedro, or Latifah the ghetto crack whore, or Annie-Mae and her 9 kids.

They get less than .01% of the federal budget. Grandma gets half.

Don't lose sight of where the money goes. it is easy to blame welfare but welfare is not even a drop in the bucket of waste.

No one likes to blame old people because everyone has grandparents and they seem like such nice old coots.

But they are sucking the country dry.

 

[Y_lifter]

Good news is once all these damn baby boomers die off
things shoud get better, as the next generations won't live to retire..

 

[CFZB]

They get less than .01% of the federal budget. Grandma gets half.

Don't lose sight of where the money goes. it is easy to blame welfare but welfare is not even a drop in the bucket of waste.

No one likes to blame old people because everyone has grandparents and they seem like such nice old coots.

But they are sucking the country dry.

The Old Coots Payed Into It.

Its Thier Money.

Whats The Problem?

No One has Mentioned The HUGE FUCKING DEFICIT yet?

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

The Old Coots Payed Into It.

Its Thier Money.

Whats The Problem?

No One has Mentioned The HUGE FUCKING DEFICIT yet?

OK.

How about every worker stops paying, and we give retirees "their money?"

Ain't going to work, is it?

We get rid of the entitlements and we pay the deficit in 4 years.

2 e z

 

[AristotleBC]

have you guys ever noticed that even really, really, REALLY stupid people think that they have above average IQ?

anyway, Djufo, i would have thought that you would have had the decency to take the dick out of your mouth before you started talking to me. rude bastard. shame on u

Whenever I read one of your anti-American rants it occurs to me, yes

 

[CFZB]

OK.

How about every worker stops paying, and we give retirees "their money?"

Ain't going to work, is it?

We get rid of the entitlements and we pay the deficit in 4 years.

2 e z

I see You Are Taking an Irrational Approach To The Problem.

Deficit Is The Republicans Baby.

Not Grandmas Or Mine.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4576199&postcount=1

 

[WODIN]

Good news is once all these damn baby boomers die off
things shoud get better, as the next generations won't live to retire..

LMFAO!!!

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I see You Are Taking an Irrational Approach To The Problem.

Deficit Is The Republicans Baby.

Not Grandmas Or Mine.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4576199&postcount=1

Deficit has increased every year since 1980. Every year. Both parties have controlled the white house and congress during that time.

Democrats will tell you they created a surplus. It was "projected", and it assumed that the economic growth of 1996 - 1999 would continue. That growth was due to the Internet becoming open to the public, not any economic policy. We know that growth has stopped. There was no surplus in real dollars. Only deficit. So it is naive to blame only one party.

The actual deficit number is also not informative. That numnber includes all of the money owed to the (coincidentally) Social Security surplus. When there is a surplus, as there curently is, the money must be used (by law) to buy Treasury Securities. This increase the perceived "deficit" by trillions. It also gives the Treasury a loan every year, which is the real reason no one wants to touch SS yet.

You either excluded that to support your argument or were not aware of it. The deficit is abiut 50% owed to the SS trust fund.

Further, the idea of having foreign countries buy our debt is a sound fiscal policy that forces them to continue to trade with us if they expect repayment. we basically handed Asia the cost of the war in iraq in real dollars, and when the dollar recovers, we will pay it off cheaper. I am sure you knew that too, and just forgot to include it when you highlighted the deficit as a key problem in the current budget.

Also, you dodged the issue about old people paying in. What about my proposal - since grandma paid in, younger people can stop paying and grandma can have all the money she paid in?

Sound good? It does to me...or to anyone who does not want to make the young the slaves of the old.


So let's review

(1) both parties have created and increased the deficit.
(2) much of the deficit is due to the laws about social security, which predate the birth of most of our current policymakers,

(3) Old people are not receiving the money they paid in.

What were you saying again?

 

[CFZB]

Deficit has increased every year since 1980. Every year. Both parties have controlled the white house and congress during that time.

Democrats will tell you they created a surplus. It was "projected", and it assumed that the economic growth of 1996 - 1999 would continue. That growth was due to the Internet becoming open to the public, not any economic policy. We know that growth has stopped. There was no surplus in real dollars. Only deficit. So it is naive to blame only one party.

The actual deficit number is also not informative. That numnber includes all of the money owed to the (coincidentally) Social Security surplus. When there is a surplus, as there curently is, the money must be used (by law) to buy Treasury Securities. This increase the perceived "deficit" by trillions. It also gives the Treasury a loan every year, which is the real reason no one wants to touch SS yet.

You either excluded that to support your argument or were not aware of it. The deficit is abiut 50% owed to the SS trust fund.

Further, the idea of having foreign countries buy our debt is a sound fiscal policy that forces them to continue to trade with us if they expect repayment. we basically handed Asia the cost of the war in iraq in real dollars, and when the dollar recovers, we will pay it off cheaper. I am sure you knew that too, and just forgot to include it when you highlighted the deficit as a key problem in the current budget.

Also, you dodged the issue about old people paying in. What about my proposal - since grandma paid in, younger people can stop paying and grandma can have all the money she paid in?

Sound good? It does to me...or to anyone who does not want to make the young the slaves of the old.


So let's review

(1) both parties have created and increased the deficit.
(2) much of the deficit is due to the laws about social security, which predate the birth of most of our current policymakers,

(3) Old people are not receiving the money they paid in.

What were you saying again?

That Getting Rid Of the Only Sound Program We Have At This Point Would Be Really really Stupid.

Did you Even Read The Article I posted?

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

That Getting Rid Of the Only Sound Program We Have At This Point Would Be Really really Stupid.

Did you Even Read The Article I posted?

Your first sentence is opinion that ignores all facts and is completely subjective. In short, worthless in the context of the "discussion" you called for.

Also, I read the article, I am intimately familiar with Paul Krugman, and he is just plain wrong if you agree that taking money from group A and simpl,y handing it to group B is wrong.

It's theft. We'd all agree theft is wrong, yes? And we'd all agree that taking something from someone without their permission or consent is theft, right?