Who on this board would go to war if a full scale war broke out???????

[KA-BAR]

Ive already did my time in the Marines 1990-1996 but like the saying goes. Once a Marine always a Marine! If they need people they need People I would it a SECOND. I personally don't think they should have done away with the draft. I think its a part of growing up. I never went to Saudi but I was in Bosnia when the shit hit the fan. Give me a fucking M16A2 service Rifle and I'm ready to rock! Kill Kill Kill OOOORRRAAAAAAAA!!!

 

[KA-BAR]

Ive spent time in 6 different countries and Im here to tell you that while our country has its problems with corrupt Gov its still by far the best country in the world.

Freedom?

Freedom to wait 3 hours to get on a plane.

Freedom to be denied alcohol even though you're old enough to vote and go to war.

Freedom to be prohibited to use recreational drugs in the privacy of your own home.

Freedom to surrender half of your income to the government.

Freedom to get in trouble for hurting somebody's feelings.

Freedom to have all of your rights stripped if John Asscroft thinks you might be a terrorist.

Freedom to be forced to go to war instead of stay home.

Freedom? Riiiight.



Oh really? There's no justifiable excuse to stay home to learn, work, and raise a family as opposed to be shipped off to some fucking wasteland against your will to fight an enemy who poses a threat to your nation equivalent to that of an ant vs. the fucking Terminator? I bet you think anyone who didn't participate in the Gulf War was a coward, too.

Well guess what - I didn't give a fuck about Kuwait, and I don't give a fuck about Iraq, and if you wanted me to fight to help Israel against the Palestinians, I wouldn't give a fuck about them either - shit, I'd probably give less of a fuck if I had that option.

What am I saying?

Foreign soldiers parked on Miami Beach, unloading their guns, vehicles, artillery? Warplanes flying over FIU? Tanks driving up and down the Florida Turnpike? Is that the threat? Then even if all my bones are broken and I'm armed with a safety pin, I'll fight to the death... but Iraq...?

Lol... you're right, our freedom is at risk - and our own government is the threat.

-Warik

 

[FLASHMAN1]

Freedom?

Freedom to wait 3 hours to get on a plane.

to at least attempt to make it a safe trip for poeple on the plane.

Freedom to be denied alcohol even though you're old enough to vote and go to war.

I never NEEDED to drink alcohol when I was in the service at 18, so that rule didn't effect me. Besides, if you think that the drinking age stops servicemen from drinking, you're sadly mistaken.

Freedom to be prohibited to use recreational drugs in the privacy of your own home.

Well, I can't say I agree with all of the political opinions of our politicians. I personally don't use rec drugs, (I don't consider juice or MJ recreational), so it doesn't matter to me.

Freedom to surrender half of your income to the government.

Welcome to the middle class, we bear most of the tax burden, true, another thing I don't agree with.

Freedom to get in trouble for hurting somebody's feelings.

I don't know what you're talking about here, I've never gotten in trouble for hurting anyone's feelings, and I do it a lot.

Freedom to have all of your rights stripped if John Asscroft thinks you might be a terrorist.

Well, if the FBI has solid proof that you're involved in terrorist activity, then you don't DESERVE any rights. Besides, I don't like Ashcroft either, but Congress and the Senate can easily keep him in check, he can spew all the rhetoric he wants.

Freedom to be forced to go to war instead of stay home.

Any decent American should be HONORED to go to war for thier country. You shouldn't have to be forced. If you refuse, and say that it's because you don't believe in the war, that's (IMO) your mask for fear, and you're just a coward.

Freedom? Riiiight.



Oh really? There's no justifiable excuse to stay home to learn, work, and raise a family as opposed to be shipped off to some fucking wasteland against your will to fight an enemy who poses a threat to your nation equivalent to that of an ant vs. the fucking Terminator? I bet you think anyone who didn't participate in the Gulf War was a coward, too.

Actually, no I don't think that anyone who didn't serve in the Gulf is a coward at all. Currently, as well as back then (90-92) there is no draft, so it's all a matter of personal choice. What I AM saying is that if the draft were reinstituted, and your number comes up, you're a coward and a traitor if you don't go. Your perception of a "threat" is off I think. No matter what size an enemy is, they can still be a threat to us. 9/11 is a perfect example of that. There are an estimated 2500-3500 Al Qua'eda operatives WORLDWIDE, yet they were still able to mount a serious, devastating, complicated attack against our country. Iraq, on the other hand, has stated clearly that thier mission and thier wish is to see us destroyed, and as long as he has the oppurtunity to acquire weapons of mass destruction, then YES, he IS a threat, and we SHOULD take him out before he tries to take us out.

Well guess what - I didn't give a fuck about Kuwait, and I don't give a fuck about Iraq, and if you wanted me to fight to help Israel against the Palestinians, I wouldn't give a fuck about them either - shit, I'd probably give less of a fuck if I had that option.

I don't really like the fact that we play world's policeman either, but the fact is, we're expected to because we always have donr it in the past. Do I agree with every single mission I was EVER sent on? No, but I still obeyed my orders because I have faith in our country and our government in the long run.

What am I saying?

Foreign soldiers parked on Miami Beach, unloading their guns, vehicles, artillery? Warplanes flying over FIU? Tanks driving up and down the Florida Turnpike? Is that the threat? Then even if all my bones are broken and I'm armed with a safety pin, I'll fight to the death... but Iraq...?

I'm glad to see that at least you'd fight if the fight came to American soil, that's somewhat refreshing, but the odds of anyone other than terrorist groups having the strength to bring a war to us aren't very good. UNLESS, they have the means to deliver long-range, bio or chem or god forbid nuclear weapons. I for one, don't want to chance it.

Lol... you're right, our freedom is at risk - and our own government is the threat.

I agree there, TO AN EXTENT. I don't, however, believe that they are infringing upon our basic rights. I'd love to hear your theories on how they are stripping us of our freedoms. Are you stopped and asked to show papers when you travel state to state? Have you been subjected to a random house search by our government? I haven't.

-Warik

 

[SofaGeorge]

And why haven't we gone to war with other countries with nuclear capabilities? Why only Iraq?

-Warik

Take time to educate yourself on this issue. Sadam has been supporting international terrorism for more than 30 years. His history and his methods have helped shape the thumb print of Mid-East terroism.

My generation had Pol Pot. Your's has Sadam.

There isn't a head of state in the world like him. He has already used weapons of mass destruction of civilian populations. He continues to use weapons of mass destruction against civilian populations.

If he gets nuclear weapons, his history and methods indicate that he will use them against international cizilain targets.

We don't have that worry with other nuclear power countries. They have governments that are run be people who have not used weapons of mass destruction against civilians OR military targets. They have not supported terrorism as state policy. They have not massacred their own ethnic civilian populations as state policy. They have not stated that terrorist use of nuclear weapons against the United States and free world allies is an acceptable ambition.

Sadam has.

 

[beastboy]

Anyone see that interview with Saddam's mistress last night on Prime Time?

 

[CYBERNIGG]

Shit! I'd fight. I would rather go and get killed trying to make a difference than just sit there and wait for another attack that could kill my wife, family, and friends.

 

[FLASHMAN1]

And you need to do research on combat. -Warik

How cute, another armchair cowboy that never served, telling the Marine to do research on combat

I for one have done all the 'research' I'll ever need to do about the Middle East and who's a threat and who isn't FROM EXPERIENCE!!! Anyone who hasn't shouldn't have commentary on it. Besides, who said anything about sending untrained civilians into combat???

 

[FLASHMAN1]

Take time to educate yourself on this issue. Sadam has been supporting international terrorism for more than 30 years. His history and his methods have helped shape the thumb print of Mid-East terroism.

My generation had Pol Pot. Your's has Sadam.

There isn't a head of state in the world like him. He has already used weapons of mass destruction of civilian populations. He continues to use weapons of mass destruction against civilian populations.

If he gets nuclear weapons, his history and methods indicate that he will use them against international cizilain targets.

We don't have that worry with other nuclear power countries. They have governments that are run be people who have not used weapons of mass destruction against civilians OR military targets. They have not supported terrorism as state policy. They have not massacred their own ethnic civilian populations as state policy. They have not stated that terrorist use of nuclear weapons against the United States and free world allies is an acceptable ambition.

Sadam has.

Well said, bro... Sadaam IS a threat. He has assisted in financing and facilitating international terrorism for DECADES!!!! We should've finished him off 11 Years ago....

 

[cure]

Anyone see that interview with Saddam's mistress last night on Prime Time?

YES! That was great and he is a real sick fucker!

 

[FLASHMAN1]

How cute, another armchair cowboy that never served, telling the Marine to do research on combat

I for one have done all the 'research' I'll ever need to do about the Middle East and who's a threat and who isn't FROM EXPERIENCE!!! Anyone who hasn't shouldn't have commentary on it. Besides, who said anything about sending untrained civilians into combat???

I gotta add this, Warik, you're barely even old enough to REMEMBER the Gulf war, let alone have served, so you need to study some history before you start preaching to Vets about your stance on this country's war policies or history.