Who here has actually juiced and then gone back to prohormones?

[THeMaCHinE]

Re: Interesting...

Personally I'm considering a high dose 1-test + 4-AD + dbol (have plenty lying around) cycle, crossing my fingers, winking, clicking my heels together and hoping for the best.

My idea is as follows:

8 weeks =


weeks 1-8 40 grams of 1Test Ester from Kilo 714mgs per day spread out every 3 hours (100 every 3 hours)

weeks 1-4 560mg of dbol - 20mg per day spread out through day

weeks 4-8 20 grams of 4-AD - 714mg per day, transdermal in AM & PM

While this sound ridiculous the cost is quite reasonable - $200 for the 40 grams of 1-test from Kilo & $50 for 50 grams of 4-AD (enough left for another heavy cycle) - very cost effective. As far as the overload of 1-Test let's consider the following factors:

1-Test Ester is "maybe" 12-14% bioavailable and 1-Test at the very best is 40% as effective as tren mg per mg (probably worse than that though). The high dose of 1-Test should be effective orally due to the short half-life (3-4 hours) via spreading it out.

A comparable cost of Tren from our farm supply pals is about $300 for 16 grams - plus you have to conver for injection or transdermal use, oral is not a good option.

My theory is the above cycle can produce some nice gains and is doubtfully going to be that nasty as far as sides go, especially considering the cycles I've done before with AAS's.. After I finish my current bulking cycle (real AAS's) I'm going to wait about 8 weeks and try this..

Good information on the bioavailabilities... thanks Platehead

 

[pa1ad]

Is there anything else other than your new supplement, especially as I will require it in 6 weeks time and it will take a week to get to me over here.

There are products like tribulus, maca and other stuff but they really aren't going to affect your testosterone levels. They may give you a psychological boost of some sort though, perhaps placebo related

 

[notpuff]

Hey PA whats the deal with the PH industry rumor has it its coming to a end very soon due to contamination (not 1-test all PH contamination)

 

[Soma]

PA- about your new anti-estro?

PA you said that your up and coming product acts through the same mechanism as Arimidex. Do you mean just for the anti-aromatase activity or also as a test stimulator? Does Arimidex help to stimulate natural test post cycle?? Another thing - your product wont have any estrogen agonist properties like clomid does in some tissues will it(Don't want that crying crap girly feeling and other sides). With your product could one totally avoid having to use clomid ever again? I've got liquidex on hand and plan to use it post OX cycle, but your product sounds interesting b/c it will be a test stimulator- do you think there would be any reason to use both of them post cycle? Thanks for your input.

-Soma

 

[jacshelb]

bump

also curious about the testes rebound thing and the contamination controversy (concern)

jacshelb

 

[Mysterio]

Bump!

 

[jacshelb]

bump

 

[Mysterio]

Bump we want to know!

 

[Doktor Bollix]

Bump.

 

[gsxr]

I've tried prohormones (1-AD, andro, etc) and they are a joke compared to real juice. Plus prohormones are harsh on your body. Save your money.