Which was a bigger tragedy?

[Lestat]

God takes care of those that take care of themselves.

lmao. i hope you are not serious.

 

[Smurfy]

Yes. I've worked with an agency that provides support to distressed children. Children in the court system that have been taken from their parents and just need some stability and support in their lives.

Its through experiences like that which show me that my life has been a cake walk to some. Girls who are not even teenages getting beat or raped by one or BOTH parents. BABIES who are less than TWO YEARS OLD yet physically abused and sexually molested by their fathers.

Then 20 years later you have people like jnevin and Gambino saying they should take care of themselves, build a stock portfolio, or just die due to darwinism.

Nice, real nice.

That's funny. I spent over 12 years as a Licensed Child Welfare Professional. I investigates homes, took kids from their drug-abusing and criminal parents. I also sent a few kids successfully home to parents who turned things around for t hemselves and their families. In my experience, the majority of the adults/parents/relatives I worked with were able to work but instead chose to milk the system or worse yet, scam the system unbeknownst to the government agency- be it AFDC, Medicaid, SSI, DCFS, etc.

It's like Ive said many times before, people's attitudes of the world are largely a result of their experiences within it.

 

[Frisky]

God takes care of those that take care of themselves.

I can agree ....... well... partially!

Some can't take care of theirselves, and the majorty that died were those that were dependant on others.

I just don't get the hostility twords those that were left to die there, drown there, stuck in attics, or starve to death... in body bags on the side of the road, in stairwells in the cajun dome, sitting out in the road in a wheel chair, or a baby seat... because they couldn't care for theirselves. I don't condone the behavior of those that stole, or raped, or stayed around to take advantage of the situation... I speak of those whom suffered a very tragic and horrid death.

In 9/11 were there not luding, stealing... etc... YES there was, but it didn't haave the magnifing glass on it like katrina had... why? Well, the towers housed very well educated induviduals... Both men and women. The 9th ward had more than their fair share of poverty. Its eaiser to focus on the poor than it is the success.

Both were tragic, no on in any instance deseverd the death or the turmoil.

 

[Lestat]

That's funny. I spent over 12 years as a Licensed Child Welfare Professional. I investigates homes, took kids from their drug-abusing and criminal parents. I also sent a few kids successfully home to parents who turned things around for t hemselves and their families. In my experience, the majority of the adults/parents/relatives I worked with were able to work but instead chose to milk the system or worse yet, scam the system unbeknownst to the government agency- be it AFDC, Medicaid, SSI, DCFS, etc.

It's like Ive said many times before, people's attitudes of the world are largely a result of their experiences within it.

I agree, some of the parents are the worst individuals that exist.

But I look at the children and feel sorry for them, but the reality is, they are more likely to grow up and be just like their parents than they are to be me.


With your experience I am sure you know the proufound impact that being subjected to physical abuse at such a young age has on someone.

here is the organization I was referring to by the way:
http://www.voices4children.com/

 

[Smurfy]

I agree, some of the parents are the worst individuals that exist.

But I look at the children and feel sorry for them, but the reality is, they are more likely to grow up and be just like their parents than they are to be me.


With your experience I am sure you know the proufound impact that being subjected to physical abuse at such a young age has on someone.

here is the organization I was referring to by the way:
http://www.voices4children.com/

sure. but Lestat, not everyone who is being supported by the government instead of working or even looking for work or other opportunities for themselves was abused as a child. and it wasnt just the parents I saw abusing and scamming the system, it was something I saw consistently in the communities and environments I worked in across the board.

 

[Lestat]

sure. but Lestat, not everyone who is being supported by the government instead of working or even looking for work or other opportunities for themselves was abused as a child. and it wasnt just the parents I saw abusing and scamming the system, it was something I saw consistently in the communities and environments I worked in across the board.

agreed.

but If I track them back through their childhood I will see a lot of common themes. Single parent homes. Poor living conditions. Unstable family life. etc. That is my point.

 

[Smurfy]

agreed.

but If I track them back through their childhood I will see a lot of common themes. Single parent homes. Poor living conditions. Unstable family life. etc. That is my point.

of course, but that doesnt mean they arent able to work IMO. by your logic, no one who was raised in such a community should be accountable for their own existence or means because they grew up so poorly. that just doesnt make sense to me. not a very empowering view on humankind.

 

[a creed]

i agree that life is all about compromise, and things change slowly.

in the 1920's, many of today's common views and practices would have seemed so liberal they would have been illegal!

It doesn't matter how the thread starts it always seems to end up with the same few arguments, and arguments.

Lestat - I know you have your own agendas (just like all of us do) but it seems - SEEMS - that you are always trying to get us to change our ways to YOUR way. I mean - I disagree with about 70% of your beliefs (Religious, political, domestic) but I can live with that and still get along with you.

It seems you would have a hard time doing the same.........

 

[Lestat]

of course, but that doesnt mean they arent able to work IMO. by your logic, no one who was raised in such a community should be accountable for their own existence or means because they grew up so poorly. that just doesnt make sense to me. not a very empowering view on humankind.

don't misread what I am saying. I am not for handouts, I think it is critically important for us as a society to keep people productive and motivated.

The see the problem as people in a certain segement of society are not productive or motivated, they feel helpless to some degree, and I'd love to see that "fixed." Like I've said before, with such a wonderful and rich nation we have, there is no excuse for us to have any homeless, or extreme poverty.

Not EVERYONE can be a lawyer, doctor, or CEO, that is just not how it works. We will always need people to take our fast food orders, or to mop and sweep our floors, or tend to our lawns. I'm not saying pay these guys 6 figures, not by any means, I am saying that when something like Katrina happens to a big bunch of them, why not help them out! We obviously had no problem helping out the few thousand WTC victims to the tune of MILLIONS, but we can't give 20,000K to smoeone to rebuild their home in new orleans? they somehow deserved it?

 

[Mr. dB]

The worst tragedy in US history is surely Justin Timberlake's new CD.