Which is a better mass builder Deca or Fina??

[majutsu]

This is an old thread. I want to addend my statement on page 1. When I wrote that, I had done tren acet many times, and deca much more. Now, I am in the middle of a tren enan cycle. Let me say, "Holy shit!" I hit plateau at 210 5'10" 8-9%BF, been there for months. After 3 weeks I am 218! This is unbelievalbe at this point. I am stunned at the effectiveness of high dose tren enan. Also, while everything I wrote is pharmacologically true, 2 new studies about tren came out since then. One study showed tren increase IGF more than GH, and much more than test, through mechanisms independent of the anabolic receptor (it was blocked). In other words, tren is like test+GH right out of the bottle. A second study showed that tren improved "feed lot efficiency", meaning that if they filled the trough with the same feed, the tren cattle brought more meat to market anyway, without more food. This effect probably helped me as I was taking 7kcal a day at my plateau and just didn't feel I could get anymore in. On the same diet, I growing again anyway with tren. The enanthate ester seems more effective to me, maybe smoother blood levels. I may consider lowering tren by 30% and replacing it with 200-300 deca next time for a most ideal stack. Test/tren/deca all three compounds have unique properties and advantages in growth. It's not as clear-cut, either-or as I previously believed. BTW the myth about not mixing tren and deca started because of concerns of excessive progesterone. But tren is not so progesterone agonistic in real-life as it is in the test tube, so this doesn't matter much in actual practice.

 

[jubei]

NPP is a much better choice just because deca is a terrible ester. Way too long for any purposes I would use it for.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

NPP is a much better choice just because deca is a terrible ester. Way too long for any purposes I would use it for.

Agreed. As the price on powders come down on them I would like to try NNP with boldenone propionate at 50 mg a day each. It should be a nice, low side effect stack.

 

[jubei]

i totally agree. thow in some winny or var an voila....

 

[x_muscle]

is it a good i dea to run the 2 together on cycle while running nolva, and anti-progestrone like bromo on cycle!!!

 

[satchboogie]

I was told not to run them together but I had dramatic gains in size and strenghth.

throw in some anadrol while you're at it..
dont forget to pre purchase a few bras!

 

[geoboy]

NPP is a much better choice just because deca is a terrible ester. Way too long for any purposes I would use it for.

hey J

your avatar pic is awesome. Therefore I'm sure you get this question alot, but can you post some cycle logs (or links if you already did)?

thanks bro.

 

[georgie24]

throw in some anadrol while you're at it..
dont forget to pre purchase a few bras!

lol, your killin me

 

[geoboy]

THats very tough as they are close. Deca gives you the thick dense look of thick slabs of muscle, and tren solidifys and rips you. I have seen people do well ...but one of the biggest body transformations I have ever seen was when a good friend of mine ran ProLine's Tren (when he was still good). It was unbelievable.

Personally, I wouldnt run either of them for 10 wks ... looking for trouble. I personally would run NPP for 6 wks.

Mavy

1) is the "dense slabs of muscle" look a temporary phenomenon with the water, or does it persist (deca causes intramuscular fat accumulation if i recall)?

2) what dose NPP would u reccommend?

3) this might be a dopey question, but has anyone noticed if its harder to lose fat and get lean after a few deca cycles? maybe intramuscular isnt the only place it creates fat cells?

 

[Mavy]

1) is the "dense slabs of muscle" look a temporary phenomenon with the water, or does it persist (deca causes intramuscular fat accumulation if i recall)?

2) what dose NPP would u reccommend?

3) this might be a dopey question, but has anyone noticed if its harder to lose fat and get lean after a few deca cycles? maybe intramuscular isnt the only place it creates fat cells?

1. Eh bro ... I dont know to what degree the intra-musclular fat storage happens with deca. I have heard huck or macro mention this a few times. Nandrolone makes me hard! (muscles I am talkin about here .. lol). I feel very solid, not bloated or puffy at all, ... compared to test for example. Some do get blaot from Deca, but I would say you are going to get it worse from test.

2. Not to sure about your cycle history or not, but I am doing 200mg e3d, and liking the results so far. I would maybe be tempted to go 200mg e2d next time around.

3. I have only used Deca once before a long while ago, and havent noticed any problem like that, I can see what happens after my run with NPP this time.

Cheers,
Mavy