Which company do you despise most?

[RipDsel]

I'd say Cytodyne for all the false pics...And and one of their newer products "phosphaplex." The ads i've seen show dramitic gains of fat guys changing to bodybuilders in only 7 days. when i was younger i bought it hoping it would work for me, and the only result i saw was a decrease in strength and energy, and as soon as I got off I went up in everything.
Rip

 

[Blkout]

EAS is my pick. Average products at an above average price.

Muscletech makes some of the finest products on the market. I am sick of reading their damn 45 page ads myself, but that has nothing to do with the product itself.

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

Muscletech makes some of the finest products on the market. I am sick of reading their damn 45 page ads myself, but that has nothing to do with the product itself.

You're kidding right? Lets forget about the fact that their products are way, way overpriced.

Hydroxycut is way underdosed and most users have to take way more pills. If you don't like the jitters, don't use an underdosed product, use one that adds ingredients to fight that effect like Betalean and Charge.

A lot of people think Nitro-Tech is 97% isolate. Nope, it contains isolate, but is a blend of other proteins and the entire bottle is about 70% protein. No better than any other protein.

Cell-Tech could use 300% more ALA. I make my own for 1/6 of what they charge and that's with an added 15 grams of glutamine to each serving.

Acetabolan, Nortesten just plain suck. Zinc-Tech?! LOL Extremely underdosed. 1/8 the strength of AST's 19-Nors (but still, they cost more).

I think I covered most of their overhyped products. They're bars taste extremely good, but that doesn't make it an excellent supplement because no bar is that.

 

[Blkout]

You're kidding right? Lets forget about the fact that their products are way, way overpriced.

Hydroxycut is way underdosed and most users have to take way more pills. If you don't like the jitters, don't use an underdosed product, use one that adds ingredients to fight that effect like Betalean and Charge.

A lot of people think Nitro-Tech is 97% isolate. Nope, it contains isolate, but is a blend of other proteins and the entire bottle is about 70% protein. No better than any other protein.

Cell-Tech could use 300% more ALA. I make my own for 1/6 of what they charge and that's with an added 15 grams of glutamine to each serving.

Acetabolan, Nortesten just plain suck. Zinc-Tech?! LOL Extremely underdosed. 1/8 the strength of AST's 19-Nors (but still, they cost more).

I think I covered most of their overhyped products. They're bars taste extremely good, but that doesn't make it an excellent supplement because no bar is that.

No, I'm not kidding and your post is ridiculous.

Where is your proof that most people have to take way more pills? Maybe some people are abusing the product in order to try to accomplish something it was not designed for.

Where is your proof that Nitro-Tech is not 97% isolate? Also do you not understand that Nitro-Tech has more advantages than just being a whey protein? Guess not.......


Why must Cell-Tech contain 300% more ALA? I guess it depends on what your trying to accomplish. Cell-Tech works very well by adding dextrose to spike insulin levels to make the body absorb more creatine. Havine ALA is nice a benefit, but not what the product was created around. Its only been here recently that the ALA surge arrived on this board. Where is the hardcore proof that ALA works the wonders that everyone here claims it does? Have any of you do a blind placebo? How do you know Cell-Tech requires 300% more ALA? Where is your proof of the exact effective dosage? oh I forgot, I suppose you've done more research than Muscletech, silly me.............

I never said anything about their pro-hormones, so I won't comment other than to say they were the first company to release a timed release version which is more effective.

If you can't afford Muscletech products, which it appears you can't, then that's fine. Just don't knock a company that makes good products just because you can't or won't use them. Many people have made outstanding gains on their products, overpriced has nothing to do with the product itself. To me its worth the price, it works, and that is the bottom line. The 65lbs I've gained in the last 3 years speak for itself.

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

No, I'm not kidding and your post is ridiculous.

Where is your proof that most people have to take way more pills? Maybe some people are abusing the product in order to try to accomplish something it was not designed for.

Where is your proof that Nitro-Tech is not 97% isolate? Also do you not understand that Nitro-Tech has more advantages than just being a whey protein? Guess not.......


Why must Cell-Tech contain 300% more ALA? I guess it depends on what your trying to accomplish. Cell-Tech works very well by adding dextrose to spike insulin levels to make the body absorb more creatine. Havine ALA is nice a benefit, but not what the product was created around. Its only been here recently that the ALA surge arrived on this board. Where is the hardcore proof that ALA works the wonders that everyone here claims it does? Have any of you do a blind placebo? How do you know Cell-Tech requires 300% more ALA? Where is your proof of the exact effective dosage? oh I forgot, I suppose you've done more research than Muscletech, silly me.............

I never said anything about their pro-hormones, so I won't comment other than to say they were the first company to release a timed release version which is more effective.

If you can't afford Muscletech products, which it appears you can't, then that's fine. Just don't knock a company that makes good products just because you can't or won't use them. Many people have made outstanding gains on their products, overpriced has nothing to do with the product itself. To me its worth the price, it works, and that is the bottom line. The 65lbs I've gained in the last 3 years speak for itself.

Bro, you appear to getting a little defensive. My post is rediculous?

Where is my proof Nitro-Tech isn't 97% whey isolate? Just look at the label: serving size 28.5 grams, protein 20 grams. Can you do some basic math there?

Hydroxycut? This one's a joke. Depending on what you need in a fat burner: Charge, (no jitters) Betalean (no jitters) MD6 and even Xenadrine are all better, better meaning not underdosed and more effective. No, I haven't tried everyone of these, but I get feedback all the time from where I work.

You should do a little more research on ALA before you go writing a whole paragraph questioning it's use when taking 70+ grams of carbs.

You're right, I can't afford Muscletech products because I work hard for my money and I'm not going to give it to the Muscletech charity. Why would I spend $2 a serving for Cell-Tech when I can make a better product for less than .50 a serving? (15 grams glutamine and 400mg more of ALA)

Sorry to tell you this, but all that money you're wasting on these "Bentley of supplement products" are not tax deductable.

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

Also do you not understand that Nitro-Tech has more advantages than just being a whey protein? Guess not.......

Please tell me what makes Nitro-Tech 24 times better than whey.

Is it because of the minute amount of creatine in there they don't tell you about?

Is it because it increases your nitrogen retention? Funny, I think every protein I've ever taken does that. So why would they put that on the label?

Is it the 97% whey isolate. Oh wait, it only contains a fraction of that, the entire jar is 70.2% protein.

I'm having difficulty finding the reason that makes it 344% more effective than regular whey. Please share this with me.

 

[Blkout]

Bro, you appear to getting a little defensive. My post is rediculous?

Where is my proof Nitro-Tech isn't 97% whey isolate? Just look at the label: serving size 28.5 grams, protein 20 grams. Can you do some basic math there?

Hydroxycut? This one's a joke. Depending on what you need in a fat burner: Charge, (no jitters) Betalean (no jitters) MD6 and even Xenadrine are all better, better meaning not underdosed and more effective. No, I haven't tried everyone of these, but I get feedback all the time from where I work.

You should do a little more research on ALA before you go writing a whole paragraph questioning it's use when taking 70+ grams of carbs.

You're right, I can't afford Muscletech products because I work hard for my money and I'm not going to give it to the Muscletech charity. Why would I spend $2 a serving for Cell-Tech when I can make a better product for less than .50 a serving? (15 grams glutamine and 400mg more of ALA)

Sorry to tell you this, but all that money you're wasting on these "Bentley of supplement products" are not tax deductable.

Yes, your post is ridiculous, I get a VERY strong impression that you have never even tried them, so what makes you an authority on them? How do you know I am pissing money away, have you seen my results? How do you know you won't grow on them, have you tried them for an extended period of time?

The protein itself can be 97% Whey isolate without affecting the serving size, the serving size can contain many other things and the protein itself is still 97% Whey Isolate. It does not say that the container contains 97% Whey protein. Is says that the protein contained in the container is 97% Whey Isolate. Does this make sense to you? I certainly hope so.

It is your opinion that one fat burner is better than another. If a product gives jitters or not has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the product to burn fat, and for your information since you obviously have not taked Hydroxycut, the jitters don't affect everyone and usually goes away after a week or so with the people who do suffer from jitters. Why do I get the feeling you have not tried this product either? I won't speculate like yourself since I have not tried every fat burner on the market, but I have heard tim and time again that Hydroxycut is more effectiive than Xenadrine from users at my gym.

I don't need to do any research on ALA, I probably know more than you do about it. I don't think you read my post before you typed away. I said that Cell-Tech is highly effective due to the 75mg of Dextrose, not the added ALA. I said the ALA was a nice bonus but was not what makes the product effective. And again I ask you, where is your proof about how much ALA is the PERFECT amount? I have your answer, no one knows yet.

I think that's wonderful that you can make a poroduct better than Muscletech's Cell-Tech for .50. Have you ever thought about going into business for yourself? Seems to me you've got it all figured out, you should be able to make a killing. If your product is so damn good, then it should sell itself. Why do you insist on complaining about Cell-Tech not containing glutamine? They never claimed to have it and for a good reason. Meso-Tech on the other hand has 10grams of Glutamine per serving, which is really where it should be, not in a creatine powder. You should not take Glutamine and Creatine at the same time, they both use the same receptors. If consumed at the same time, one is going to be absorbed more effectively than the other. Why waste your hard earned money with bad knowledge?

Muscletech does their research, they have some of the best sports scientists in the world working on R&D, that is what you pay for. You did not even know that your not supposed to combine Creatine and Glutamine, what makes me or anyone else think you know more than Muscletech does?

Sorry to be so brutal but you come off like you know everything. If you can't afford Muscletech products, fine, but don't bash something you have not used. Sit back and learn something and stop being so damn difficult. Class is dismissed........

 

[u4ik_RAGE]

[You know what Blkout, I will back off and try to be more civil about this.

I'm glad you made great gains off of their products. That's not the reason I dislike Muscletech. I think I've already explained why I don't like them.

I highly doubt people tell you HydroxyCut is more effective than Xenadrine. They might not get as many jitters, but it's not more effective. And for the record, I think MD6 is the best ec(a) burner, followed by charge and betalean.

Of course I have heard not to mix creatine and glutamine from a few sources. Do I think it affects the absorption so much that it makes either one useless? No, I highly doubt my receptors will shut any one of them down, so I will continue taking them together.

Regarding ALA, have you ever tried to increase the dose? I've tried it with their dose (200mg) and then with 600mg and there is a huge difference.

I know what you mean about the 97% whey isolate stated on Nitro-Tech. What I'm getting at is how misleading it is. I can't tell you how many times I will recommend a protein and a customer will say, "but does it have 97% protein like Nitro-Tech?" This is just plain misleading and it pisses me off.

Basicly, I think there are better products for less money. If these work for you great. There are a lot of consumers out there that like to get their money's worth. I will continue to recommend other products to those people. If I see them park their Bentley outside and walk through my door, I will recommend them all the Muscletech they want.

 

[Blkout]

[You know what Blkout, I will back off and try to be more civil about this.

I'm glad you made great gains off of their products. That's not the reason I dislike Muscletech. I think I've already explained why I don't like them.

I highly doubt people tell you HydroxyCut is more effective than Xenadrine. They might not get as many jitters, but it's not more effective. And for the record, I think MD6 is the best ec(a) burner, followed by charge and betalean.

Of course I have heard not to mix creatine and glutamine from a few sources. Do I think it affects the absorption so much that it makes either one useless? No, I highly doubt my receptors will shut any one of them down, so I will continue taking them together.

Regarding ALA, have you ever tried to increase the dose? I've tried it with their dose (200mg) and then with 600mg and there is a huge difference.

I know what you mean about the 97% whey isolate stated on Nitro-Tech. What I'm getting at is how misleading it is. I can't tell you how many times I will recommend a protein and a customer will say, "but does it have 97% protein like Nitro-Tech?" This is just plain misleading and it pisses me off.

Basicly, I think there are better products for less money. If these work for you great. There are a lot of consumers out there that like to get their money's worth. I will continue to recommend other products to those people. If I see them park their Bentley outside and walk through my door, I will recommend them all the Muscletech they want.

Its fine that you don't like Muscletech products, many people on this board don't either. But funny thing is that 99% of the people who say they don't use their products or don't like Muscletech only feel that way because they think they are expensive, or they are tired of seeing all the Muscletech advertisements. Well, in my opinion, neither of these reasons are good enough to label their products as bad or say that they do not work. Granted they cost more, I agree to that, its costs money to fun R&D, be thankful there is a company out there who is willing to bring cutting edge supplements to the market and back it up with research. And as for the advertisements, they get on my last fucking nerve as well, but I am not going to say their products are bad because of it. To say they are not worth the money is all in the eye of the beholder. To me they are VERY MUCH worth the money, to someone else they might not be. Its up to you to use the products or not based on their price, but don't say they are no good or overpriced. Just say that they are pricey, and I will agree.

I have tried many different dosages of ALA, but that is not what this was about. I again stated that ALA is not the driving force behind Cell-Tech. Its nice that its there, but not what Cell-Tech is all about.

OK, I understand what your saying about the Nitro-Tech and how it can be misleading, but that's marketing and its also the consumers ignorance that's to blame. Muscletech is no more guilty of wording their products or ads to show what they want you to see than any other company. The bodybuilding world is full of marketing scams and fly by night companies and products, its up to the consumer to be smart enough to know what they are looking at. I wish it was more cut and dry and there was a standard for all companies to follow but there isn't. Muscletech may be misleading the ignorant, but no more than any other company, so are they really in the wrong for that? Their products still work very well, so I guess its a moot point.

As for your last paragraph, that's fine if you choose not to use their products, God knows millions of others are using them and seeing great results. To say that people want to get their money's worth, well I agree, who doesn't? But I feel like I get my money's worth and so do many others I know that take them. I feel they are superior to other products therefore I realize I must pay a higher price for them. Again these are opinions and does not have anything to do with the product itself though. Muscletech makes great products, maybe high priced compared to another company's rival product, but sometimes you get what you pay for.

Peace man, I am not arguing with you, just trying to point out some misconceptions with Muscletech products. And one last question to you. If you know that Creatine and Glutamine use the same receptors, why would you continue to take them at the same time, granted even if it does not totally waste one or the other, its still makes it less effective. Why not just take them at different times? Just curious............

 

[Haz]

Hey blkout, do you work for Muscle-tech or something?

Their products aren't anything special. You can find a cheaper more effective version of every product they sell.