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plornive
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I just can't decide, is there an "all of the above"?
If I picked one of those companies to spare, it would be Biotest, because they at least have a few unique products (albeit overpriced). All of the rest sell the same old shit for too much money. Cytodyne puts creatine in their Methoxy Pro bars and it is not on the label (only in the ingredients list). Muscle Marketing USA makes the most retarted products I have ever seen. WFT would I want everything in a little dropper? Pinnacle puts ten random ingredients in a bottle and acts like it is something amazing and unique. EAS... I kind of like seeing stupid people buy overpriced boxes of powdered starch and milk protein.
If I picked one of those companies to spare, it would be Biotest, because they at least have a few unique products (albeit overpriced). All of the rest sell the same old shit for too much money. Cytodyne puts creatine in their Methoxy Pro bars and it is not on the label (only in the ingredients list). Muscle Marketing USA makes the most retarted products I have ever seen. WFT would I want everything in a little dropper? Pinnacle puts ten random ingredients in a bottle and acts like it is something amazing and unique. EAS... I kind of like seeing stupid people buy overpriced boxes of powdered starch and milk protein.
gmanlax7
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Muscle Tech, for those fucking 6 page articles i read half of before it hits me that its a bullshit ad, and cuz i want some Nitro tech, but i also want to be able to put gas in car and drive to gym. i hate muscletech, i want to rob their factory at gun point and steal all their $80 shit. i hate how dumb kids at my school buy in to the hype and run through the halls screaming " NITRO TECH IS 23 TIMES BETTER THAN WHEY !!!' at the top of their lungs
u4ik_RAGE
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gmanlax7 said:
HAHA, I know exactly what you're talking about with the holograms and weird brail logos going all over. It's like they've designed the products so the blind know they have a SciTec product in their hand.
They do make good products though, without much hype, so I don't think they should be on this list.
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McLurch
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They are all crap. They spend so much on marketing I could shit blue turds. Thats why thier products are so damn spendy. They might have a qaulity product but in order ot pay for it you have to give up your first born.
u4ik_RAGE
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Rémy! said:
I totally forgot about that bastard Jeff, Bart or whatever his real name is. What a sad piece of shit that guy is.
I change my vote from Muscletech to Impact. Luckily, I never bought anything from them but to hear this fucker argue his case and overcharging people for the discoveries and intellectual property of others really pisses me off!!
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Studly Hungwell
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EAS. I got sucked into the andro-6, HMB, CLA, Phosphagain 2 (farts from hell) it should be called about 5 years ago. All this and some VHS tape with teary eyed testamonials (enough to make you wanna puke) about how some weak people transformed their shitty lives around, thanks to Bill Phillips "win a lamborgini(sp?)" contest.
What I hate most about this company is the hypocracy of pushing a supplement guide to expose whats real and not yet these people shovel the same BS, only different product. AND THEY ARE STILL PUSHING HMB!!!
All this with a front like % of proceeds going to "childrens' workshop" just to get the sqeeky clean image. I guess that is also a way for customers not to feel so bad that their HMB did not feel like deca
What I hate most about this company is the hypocracy of pushing a supplement guide to expose whats real and not yet these people shovel the same BS, only different product. AND THEY ARE STILL PUSHING HMB!!!
All this with a front like % of proceeds going to "childrens' workshop" just to get the sqeeky clean image. I guess that is also a way for customers not to feel so bad that their HMB did not feel like deca
Haz
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Speaking of supplement companies, I just bought some Bioplex whey protein. However, the nutritional info seems too good to be true. Zero fat, Zero carbs and 20 grams of protein for a 22.2 gram serving. Thats 90% protein. It was only 15 bucks for 2 lbs, so I thought I would give it a try. It doesn't taste that great, but it ain't bad either. Has anyone else tried Bioplex stuff, and are they good or not? If they are legit, I'll switch over from Optimum.
As to the company I hate most, thats a dead heat between EAS and Muscle-tech. If I had to choose it would go to Muscle-tech though, just cause of those FUCKING ANNOYING ads that try to pass them selves off as articles in the muscle mags. And at least EAS don't use fucking pro-bodybuilders to hype up their shit.
As to the company I hate most, thats a dead heat between EAS and Muscle-tech. If I had to choose it would go to Muscle-tech though, just cause of those FUCKING ANNOYING ads that try to pass them selves off as articles in the muscle mags. And at least EAS don't use fucking pro-bodybuilders to hype up their shit.
G Lapagola
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EAS and Bill Phillips can kiss my ass.
macrophage69alpha
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MMUSA
I'd say Cytodyne for all the false pics...And and one of their newer products "phosphaplex." The ads i've seen show dramitic gains of fat guys changing to bodybuilders in only 7 days. when i was younger i bought it hoping it would work for me, and the only result i saw was a decrease in strength and energy, and as soon as I got off I went up in everything.
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u4ik_RAGE
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Blkout said:
You're kidding right? Lets forget about the fact that their products are way, way overpriced.
Hydroxycut is way underdosed and most users have to take way more pills. If you don't like the jitters, don't use an underdosed product, use one that adds ingredients to fight that effect like Betalean and Charge.
A lot of people think Nitro-Tech is 97% isolate. Nope, it contains isolate, but is a blend of other proteins and the entire bottle is about 70% protein. No better than any other protein.
Cell-Tech could use 300% more ALA. I make my own for 1/6 of what they charge and that's with an added 15 grams of glutamine to each serving.
Acetabolan, Nortesten just plain suck. Zinc-Tech?! LOL Extremely underdosed. 1/8 the strength of AST's 19-Nors (but still, they cost more).
I think I covered most of their overhyped products. They're bars taste extremely good, but that doesn't make it an excellent supplement because no bar is that.
u4ik_RAGE said:
No, I'm not kidding and your post is ridiculous.
Where is your proof that most people have to take way more pills? Maybe some people are abusing the product in order to try to accomplish something it was not designed for.
Where is your proof that Nitro-Tech is not 97% isolate? Also do you not understand that Nitro-Tech has more advantages than just being a whey protein? Guess not.......
Why must Cell-Tech contain 300% more ALA? I guess it depends on what your trying to accomplish. Cell-Tech works very well by adding dextrose to spike insulin levels to make the body absorb more creatine. Havine ALA is nice a benefit, but not what the product was created around. Its only been here recently that the ALA surge arrived on this board. Where is the hardcore proof that ALA works the wonders that everyone here claims it does? Have any of you do a blind placebo? How do you know Cell-Tech requires 300% more ALA? Where is your proof of the exact effective dosage? oh I forgot, I suppose you've done more research than Muscletech, silly me.............
I never said anything about their pro-hormones, so I won't comment other than to say they were the first company to release a timed release version which is more effective.
If you can't afford Muscletech products, which it appears you can't, then that's fine. Just don't knock a company that makes good products just because you can't or won't use them. Many people have made outstanding gains on their products, overpriced has nothing to do with the product itself. To me its worth the price, it works, and that is the bottom line. The 65lbs I've gained in the last 3 years speak for itself.
u4ik_RAGE
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Blkout said:
Bro, you appear to getting a little defensive. My post is rediculous?
Where is my proof Nitro-Tech isn't 97% whey isolate? Just look at the label: serving size 28.5 grams, protein 20 grams. Can you do some basic math there?
Hydroxycut? This one's a joke. Depending on what you need in a fat burner: Charge, (no jitters) Betalean (no jitters) MD6 and even Xenadrine are all better, better meaning not underdosed and more effective. No, I haven't tried everyone of these, but I get feedback all the time from where I work.
You should do a little more research on ALA before you go writing a whole paragraph questioning it's use when taking 70+ grams of carbs.
You're right, I can't afford Muscletech products because I work hard for my money and I'm not going to give it to the Muscletech charity. Why would I spend $2 a serving for Cell-Tech when I can make a better product for less than .50 a serving? (15 grams glutamine and 400mg more of ALA)
Sorry to tell you this, but all that money you're wasting on these "Bentley of supplement products" are not tax deductable.
u4ik_RAGE
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Blkout said:
Please tell me what makes Nitro-Tech 24 times better than whey.
Is it because of the minute amount of creatine in there they don't tell you about?
Is it because it increases your nitrogen retention? Funny, I think every protein I've ever taken does that. So why would they put that on the label?
Is it the 97% whey isolate. Oh wait, it only contains a fraction of that, the entire jar is 70.2% protein.
I'm having difficulty finding the reason that makes it 344% more effective than regular whey. Please share this with me.
u4ik_RAGE said:
Yes, your post is ridiculous, I get a VERY strong impression that you have never even tried them, so what makes you an authority on them? How do you know I am pissing money away, have you seen my results? How do you know you won't grow on them, have you tried them for an extended period of time?
The protein itself can be 97% Whey isolate without affecting the serving size, the serving size can contain many other things and the protein itself is still 97% Whey Isolate. It does not say that the container contains 97% Whey protein. Is says that the protein contained in the container is 97% Whey Isolate. Does this make sense to you? I certainly hope so.
It is your opinion that one fat burner is better than another. If a product gives jitters or not has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the product to burn fat, and for your information since you obviously have not taked Hydroxycut, the jitters don't affect everyone and usually goes away after a week or so with the people who do suffer from jitters. Why do I get the feeling you have not tried this product either? I won't speculate like yourself since I have not tried every fat burner on the market, but I have heard tim and time again that Hydroxycut is more effectiive than Xenadrine from users at my gym.
I don't need to do any research on ALA, I probably know more than you do about it. I don't think you read my post before you typed away. I said that Cell-Tech is highly effective due to the 75mg of Dextrose, not the added ALA. I said the ALA was a nice bonus but was not what makes the product effective. And again I ask you, where is your proof about how much ALA is the PERFECT amount? I have your answer, no one knows yet.
I think that's wonderful that you can make a poroduct better than Muscletech's Cell-Tech for .50. Have you ever thought about going into business for yourself? Seems to me you've got it all figured out, you should be able to make a killing. If your product is so damn good, then it should sell itself. Why do you insist on complaining about Cell-Tech not containing glutamine? They never claimed to have it and for a good reason. Meso-Tech on the other hand has 10grams of Glutamine per serving, which is really where it should be, not in a creatine powder. You should not take Glutamine and Creatine at the same time, they both use the same receptors. If consumed at the same time, one is going to be absorbed more effectively than the other. Why waste your hard earned money with bad knowledge?
Muscletech does their research, they have some of the best sports scientists in the world working on R&D, that is what you pay for. You did not even know that your not supposed to combine Creatine and Glutamine, what makes me or anyone else think you know more than Muscletech does?
Sorry to be so brutal but you come off like you know everything. If you can't afford Muscletech products, fine, but don't bash something you have not used. Sit back and learn something and stop being so damn difficult. Class is dismissed........
u4ik_RAGE
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[You know what Blkout, I will back off and try to be more civil about this.
I'm glad you made great gains off of their products. That's not the reason I dislike Muscletech. I think I've already explained why I don't like them.
I highly doubt people tell you HydroxyCut is more effective than Xenadrine. They might not get as many jitters, but it's not more effective. And for the record, I think MD6 is the best ec(a) burner, followed by charge and betalean.
Of course I have heard not to mix creatine and glutamine from a few sources. Do I think it affects the absorption so much that it makes either one useless? No, I highly doubt my receptors will shut any one of them down, so I will continue taking them together.
Regarding ALA, have you ever tried to increase the dose? I've tried it with their dose (200mg) and then with 600mg and there is a huge difference.
I know what you mean about the 97% whey isolate stated on Nitro-Tech. What I'm getting at is how misleading it is. I can't tell you how many times I will recommend a protein and a customer will say, "but does it have 97% protein like Nitro-Tech?" This is just plain misleading and it pisses me off.
Basicly, I think there are better products for less money. If these work for you great. There are a lot of consumers out there that like to get their money's worth. I will continue to recommend other products to those people. If I see them park their Bentley outside and walk through my door, I will recommend them all the Muscletech they want.
I'm glad you made great gains off of their products. That's not the reason I dislike Muscletech. I think I've already explained why I don't like them.
I highly doubt people tell you HydroxyCut is more effective than Xenadrine. They might not get as many jitters, but it's not more effective. And for the record, I think MD6 is the best ec(a) burner, followed by charge and betalean.
Of course I have heard not to mix creatine and glutamine from a few sources. Do I think it affects the absorption so much that it makes either one useless? No, I highly doubt my receptors will shut any one of them down, so I will continue taking them together.
Regarding ALA, have you ever tried to increase the dose? I've tried it with their dose (200mg) and then with 600mg and there is a huge difference.
I know what you mean about the 97% whey isolate stated on Nitro-Tech. What I'm getting at is how misleading it is. I can't tell you how many times I will recommend a protein and a customer will say, "but does it have 97% protein like Nitro-Tech?" This is just plain misleading and it pisses me off.
Basicly, I think there are better products for less money. If these work for you great. There are a lot of consumers out there that like to get their money's worth. I will continue to recommend other products to those people. If I see them park their Bentley outside and walk through my door, I will recommend them all the Muscletech they want.
u4ik_RAGE said:
Its fine that you don't like Muscletech products, many people on this board don't either. But funny thing is that 99% of the people who say they don't use their products or don't like Muscletech only feel that way because they think they are expensive, or they are tired of seeing all the Muscletech advertisements. Well, in my opinion, neither of these reasons are good enough to label their products as bad or say that they do not work. Granted they cost more, I agree to that, its costs money to fun R&D, be thankful there is a company out there who is willing to bring cutting edge supplements to the market and back it up with research. And as for the advertisements, they get on my last fucking nerve as well, but I am not going to say their products are bad because of it. To say they are not worth the money is all in the eye of the beholder. To me they are VERY MUCH worth the money, to someone else they might not be. Its up to you to use the products or not based on their price, but don't say they are no good or overpriced. Just say that they are pricey, and I will agree.
I have tried many different dosages of ALA, but that is not what this was about. I again stated that ALA is not the driving force behind Cell-Tech. Its nice that its there, but not what Cell-Tech is all about.
OK, I understand what your saying about the Nitro-Tech and how it can be misleading, but that's marketing and its also the consumers ignorance that's to blame. Muscletech is no more guilty of wording their products or ads to show what they want you to see than any other company. The bodybuilding world is full of marketing scams and fly by night companies and products, its up to the consumer to be smart enough to know what they are looking at. I wish it was more cut and dry and there was a standard for all companies to follow but there isn't. Muscletech may be misleading the ignorant, but no more than any other company, so are they really in the wrong for that? Their products still work very well, so I guess its a moot point.
As for your last paragraph, that's fine if you choose not to use their products, God knows millions of others are using them and seeing great results. To say that people want to get their money's worth, well I agree, who doesn't? But I feel like I get my money's worth and so do many others I know that take them. I feel they are superior to other products therefore I realize I must pay a higher price for them. Again these are opinions and does not have anything to do with the product itself though. Muscletech makes great products, maybe high priced compared to another company's rival product, but sometimes you get what you pay for.
Peace man, I am not arguing with you, just trying to point out some misconceptions with Muscletech products. And one last question to you. If you know that Creatine and Glutamine use the same receptors, why would you continue to take them at the same time, granted even if it does not totally waste one or the other, its still makes it less effective. Why not just take them at different times? Just curious............
u4ik_RAGE
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Blkout said:
The long explanation: When I was making my mix, I wasn't sure if I should add the glutamine. Since I would be taking this almost exclusively as a post workout drink, I decided to add the glutamine because of it's anti-catabolic properties. When I get home I take my 40 grams of whey. I'm sure you're aware you only get the GH release from glutamine when it's not competing wth other aminos. So either way, you're not getting the optimum use out of the glutamine, but it's much better to have the glutamine than not... catch 22.
Short explanation: When you start focusing on little things like will you lose a little absorption, you lose sight of the big picture. Just take the supps and pay more attention to tweaking diet and training and life in general than these little things.
Anyway, with the gains you made, I think you deserve more credit than Muscletech. Without some dedication there is no way you would have made those gains no matter what you were taking. Switch those products out to EAS (Phosphagen HP and ALA instead of Cell-Tech, Advanced protein instead of Nitro-Tech, Myoplex instead of Meso-Tech) and you would be praising the hell out of EAS.
I will stand behind my opinion that Muscletech is overpriced and not just pricey. Reason being, I can find you a better product than each of theirs for less money. And those other products being better, I guess that's only my opinion too, but I'll use the others.
u4ik_RAGE said:
Well as a matter of fact, I used to use EAS products exculsively for about 3 years before I switched to Muscletech and the difference is night and day. I gained 20lbs in the whole 3 years using EAS, I gained 65lbs using Muscletech products. I am not saying this for arguments sake but for the fact that I whole-heartedly believe that Cell-Tech and Meso-Tech have no equals. yes I will say that I have used gear as well, no natural supplement can give you 65lbs in 3 years but I have been using gear off and on for over 8 years now even when I was taking EAS products.
macrophage69alpha
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not sure what they mean by 97% whey isolate..
but the highest percentage commercially available isolate is 92% by weight
they could mean that 97% of the protein is isolate.. that could be a legitmate claim..
but the highest percentage commercially available isolate is 92% by weight
they could mean that 97% of the protein is isolate.. that could be a legitmate claim..
Ok.........muscletech's cell tech?.........gave me some mass all right......in the toilet that is! Hydroxycut?......it's ok. Nitrotech?
to tell you the truth, I think a caseins kicks whey's ass anyway.
MUSCLETECH is nothing great. and Blkout....... all that science? what Science? muscle tech is a one trick pony! If they were so cuting edge, how come they have had the same shit for about six years? nothing new. ok , the hydroxycut got a face lift.......but what else? oh I forgot.........the bars( I really like the bars)
I guess we all have our flaws
KJ
to tell you the truth, I think a caseins kicks whey's ass anyway.
MUSCLETECH is nothing great. and Blkout....... all that science? what Science? muscle tech is a one trick pony! If they were so cuting edge, how come they have had the same shit for about six years? nothing new. ok , the hydroxycut got a face lift.......but what else? oh I forgot.........the bars( I really like the bars)
I guess we all have our flaws
KJ
Blkout said:
MUSCLETECH is WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY over-priced for an average
product.
Can't you realize its ALL IN THE MARKETING!!!!!
You can make your own Cell-tech at 1/3 price with 3X
more ALA for gods sake.
Nitro-Tech? LOL. More like Nitro-SHIT......
They even threatened litigation against EF because they
KNEW we KNEW the truth about their CRAP products,
and feared we'd spread such a consensus across the internet,
HURTING THEIR BOTTOM LINE.
Thats all they care about.....their bottom line.
Fonz
scotty green
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muscle-tech because all the fucking ads that are total bullshit.
Unbreakable
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Muscletech! I can't stand their stupid 6 page ads that are in just about all bodybuilding magazines. To make it worse, they try to make the ads look like scientific articles. On top of that, their products are grossly overprices as everyone knows. It's not that all of their products are crap (though some of them are), it's just that you can get products that are equally as effective for like half the price.
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WARBIRDWS6
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used to be muscletech because of the ads. but now its biotest, those bastards refuse to deal with big distributors making it hard for me to order their stuff at work for personal use. now they make the GNC minimum order 200 fucking dollars up from 100 dollars. bitch asses. They make it impossible to get their damn products. i found one distributor who has their stuff though.....i do like their products.......just that they act like dicks.
Scaggs
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Im surprised not to see more muscle tech on this.
out of those i would say muscle tech myself only because their ads are way off the wall. i mean comon, they're ridiculous. they make me so angry sometimes. i was on nitro-tech for a long time, and i don't look like that. "yea yea, lee priest did all that on nitro-tech and hydroxycut. SUUUUURE" I'd like to cut the head of advertising's balls off. 
i will say though, some of their stuff is not bad and supposedly one dollar on anything muscle tech you buy, its donated to bodybuilding research for newer better supps. who knows if thats true. . .
Scaggs
out of those i would say muscle tech myself only because their ads are way off the wall. i mean comon, they're ridiculous. they make me so angry
sometimes. i was on nitro-tech for a long time, and i don't look like that. "yea yea, lee priest did all that on nitro-tech and hydroxycut. SUUUUURE" I'd like to cut the head of advertising's balls off. i will say though, some of their stuff is not bad and supposedly one dollar on anything muscle tech you buy, its donated to bodybuilding research for newer better supps. who knows if thats true. . .
Scaggs
grafix-GNC
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definatey Muscle Marketing... and im wondering what the deal with Pinnacle is... the deal with the MyoStatin gene 
Nutri-Wrestler
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Muscle tech is shitty and i will have to back my bud u4ik_rage about the underdosed hydroxycut.
their proteins are simply proteins. hell, most of the protein used by the supplement companies probably come from the same factory.
cell-tech. you pay for the sugar! i can go get you a 5lb bag of sugar for 3 bucks, 300grams of creatine monohydrate for 11 and some ala for pretty cheap. and there u have it, cell tech. a big waste.
their products arent cutting edge, they have the same shit as almost anyone else. their ph's sucks. androtestin (sp?) has chrysin and androstenidione in it and tribulus.
i would rather piss my money away on more worthwile supplements than fund muscle tech.
Ross
their proteins are simply proteins. hell, most of the protein used by the supplement companies probably come from the same factory.
cell-tech. you pay for the sugar! i can go get you a 5lb bag of sugar for 3 bucks, 300grams of creatine monohydrate for 11 and some ala for pretty cheap. and there u have it, cell tech. a big waste.
their products arent cutting edge, they have the same shit as almost anyone else. their ph's sucks. androtestin (sp?) has chrysin and androstenidione in it and tribulus.
i would rather piss my money away on more worthwile supplements than fund muscle tech.
Ross
feelin_kinda_saucey
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MASS QUANTITIES........
Simon Keller
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I personally don't use anything from any of the companies listed. I tend to look at not what companies I despise(there's far too many). I like to stick with which companies do I trust
Well, as somone who has worked for a supplement company, I've been getting a kick out of these posts.
Here are a few details that may give some perspective.
1)...Virtually every company gets their raw materials from the same source. So when somebodys says "THAT sucks" and "THIS is great" it's absurd. Same shit.
2)...If you hate a company for its politics, that has nothing to do with the quality. e.g MuscleTech is as good as any other company and doesn't sell bogus products but their campaigning is obnoxious and their products are outrageously overpriced. If you choose not to use it on some sort of "moral" grounds, more power to you. But then you'd also have to boycott Biotest, EAS. Pinnacle, MetRx and just about every other one. Buy wholesale. Even Vitamin Shoppe has decient prices on some things.
3)...Potency will fluctuate from one product to another. Smaller companies are rarely tested and may contain only a fracton of the active ingredient. Oddly enough, MuscleMags Formula One intentionally overdoses, but they barely advertise and don't offer much of a selection.
4)...I find it remarkable there are so many bad tasting chocolate protein drinks on the market.That's the easiest stuff to get to taste good.You're better off making your own at a fraction of the cost.
5)...All supplement companies lie -- not exagerate, not twist the facts, not distort figures -- LIE! And the ones who act as if they're "just like you" and hate decietful supplement companies and alert you to scams, are the worst of them all.
6)...The supplement industry was created to enhance health, and today's supplements can do that better than ever. But NO supplement will grow muscle. NONE. NADA. ZERO. ZIP. No Myoststin seaweed shit. No prohormone bloating bullshit. No 4AD snake oil. NOTHING. Only protein will grow muscle and it'll only grow so much, unless you take drugs. And that's the cold hard truth.
Here are a few details that may give some perspective.
1)...Virtually every company gets their raw materials from the same source. So when somebodys says "THAT sucks" and "THIS is great" it's absurd. Same shit.
2)...If you hate a company for its politics, that has nothing to do with the quality. e.g MuscleTech is as good as any other company and doesn't sell bogus products but their campaigning is obnoxious and their products are outrageously overpriced. If you choose not to use it on some sort of "moral" grounds, more power to you. But then you'd also have to boycott Biotest, EAS. Pinnacle, MetRx and just about every other one. Buy wholesale. Even Vitamin Shoppe has decient prices on some things.
3)...Potency will fluctuate from one product to another. Smaller companies are rarely tested and may contain only a fracton of the active ingredient. Oddly enough, MuscleMags Formula One intentionally overdoses, but they barely advertise and don't offer much of a selection.
4)...I find it remarkable there are so many bad tasting chocolate protein drinks on the market.That's the easiest stuff to get to taste good.You're better off making your own at a fraction of the cost.
5)...All supplement companies lie -- not exagerate, not twist the facts, not distort figures -- LIE! And the ones who act as if they're "just like you" and hate decietful supplement companies and alert you to scams, are the worst of them all.
6)...The supplement industry was created to enhance health, and today's supplements can do that better than ever. But NO supplement will grow muscle. NONE. NADA. ZERO. ZIP. No Myoststin seaweed shit. No prohormone bloating bullshit. No 4AD snake oil. NOTHING. Only protein will grow muscle and it'll only grow so much, unless you take drugs. And that's the cold hard truth.
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gsxr1000
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Hmmm, now this is a tough one. For me it's a toss-up between MuscleTech and Impact.
Needless to say I was stupid enough to buy products from both of them. A 4 months supply of Nitro-Tech and Cell-Tech, until my funds finally dwindled enough for me to stop. And one of those stup stacks from Impact that ended up costing me about $300.
Hmmm, my vote goes to Impact.
Needless to say I was stupid enough to buy products from both of them. A 4 months supply of Nitro-Tech and Cell-Tech, until my funds finally dwindled enough for me to stop. And one of those stup stacks from Impact that ended up costing me about $300.
Hmmm, my vote goes to Impact.
In order of most useless and unworthy to have a place in this industry, the winner is...
Muscletech (overpriced and a half)
They produce very mediocre products, used to put creatine in the Nitrotech, the charge about $50 for a can of sugar, their advertising is possibly the lowest form of newbie pampering I have ever seen. They have no shame at all.
The no2 slot goes to
Muscle Marketing (stable liquid creatine? nice)
Another joke of a company, still yet to produce even the slightest documentation to support their crappy liquid creatine products. Total rip off merchants, how much longer can they survive...
No3 Slot
Pinnacle (not a single product that does crap)
Just plain medicore and any company still trying to pimp the wonder bull myostatin products, needs to be gutted and hung out to dry by people not touching any of their other products.
Cytodyne
Well, they make some reasonable products, the EC based Xenedrine was a reasonable product, the rest of the range is shit, and their advertising, Whooa, only Muscltech can come close to such out and out, BS before and afters. They also sell Methoxy based stuff so need to be raped.
Biotest (overpriced, cool labels though!!)
Tough one with Biotest, they have had some decent products, their original T2 and Mag10 are good products, their Grow protein is a one of the highest qualities out there, however they runied that rep by selling Mysotatin, Methoxy and by having a team of lying shit bags, who will do anything to whore a product including their so called 'Hotrox' we made ephedrine obsolete. Err you mean you made common decency and standards obsolete.
They are a mixed bag, plenty of bad, but some very good and some of their writers know their shit.
The least hypey, scamm based probably EAS
Mediocre range , they sell shit like Methoxy, the MRP's etc are reasonably ok, if not now a little dated, sill using Malto as the primary carb source. Their mag has gone to shit since BP left it, and their range that was once small, but full of working products has now expanded full of shit.
That said I would still probably trust them over the others in termso f plain marketing tactics and quality of the products.
Some of the products may be total shit, but EAS make sure the total shit in them is in the right amounts
SIMES
Muscletech (overpriced and a half)
They produce very mediocre products, used to put creatine in the Nitrotech, the charge about $50 for a can of sugar, their advertising is possibly the lowest form of newbie pampering I have ever seen. They have no shame at all.
The no2 slot goes to
Muscle Marketing (stable liquid creatine? nice)
Another joke of a company, still yet to produce even the slightest documentation to support their crappy liquid creatine products. Total rip off merchants, how much longer can they survive...
No3 Slot
Pinnacle (not a single product that does crap)
Just plain medicore and any company still trying to pimp the wonder bull myostatin products, needs to be gutted and hung out to dry by people not touching any of their other products.
Cytodyne
Well, they make some reasonable products, the EC based Xenedrine was a reasonable product, the rest of the range is shit, and their advertising, Whooa, only Muscltech can come close to such out and out, BS before and afters. They also sell Methoxy based stuff so need to be raped.
Biotest (overpriced, cool labels though!!)
Tough one with Biotest, they have had some decent products, their original T2 and Mag10 are good products, their Grow protein is a one of the highest qualities out there, however they runied that rep by selling Mysotatin, Methoxy and by having a team of lying shit bags, who will do anything to whore a product including their so called 'Hotrox' we made ephedrine obsolete. Err you mean you made common decency and standards obsolete.
They are a mixed bag, plenty of bad, but some very good and some of their writers know their shit.
The least hypey, scamm based probably EAS
Mediocre range , they sell shit like Methoxy, the MRP's etc are reasonably ok, if not now a little dated, sill using Malto as the primary carb source. Their mag has gone to shit since BP left it, and their range that was once small, but full of working products has now expanded full of shit.
That said I would still probably trust them over the others in termso f plain marketing tactics and quality of the products.
Some of the products may be total shit, but EAS make sure the total shit in them is in the right amounts
SIMES
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IHateCrunches
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i hate biotest mag10 blew my moose c0k
Babyfaced Assassin
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Sir Foxx do u have any links that substantiate that claim?
i'm thinking of adding ALA to my pw+creatine shakes, not sure if i should now not use a creatine powder mix with ALA in it.
i'm thinking of adding ALA to my pw+creatine shakes, not sure if i should now not use a creatine powder mix with ALA in it.
Sir Foxx
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Here is an excerpt from AST about ALA:
I have seen where some creatine powders have ALA added to them to help creatine uptake. Does this work?
No! There's a big problem with this. You see, ALA is a very unstable chemical that will degrade rapidly if exposed to atmospheric conditions for even short periods of time. In fact, when we purchase our ALA is is delivered in special 2 kilogram vacuum packed packages that uses a UV protected plastic. This packaging shields the ALA from both air and light.
It's almost comical how these companies formulate their products. They will read in a magazine where ALA mimics insulin. The will read in another magazine where spiking insulin helps increase creatine uptake. Ding! A light goes off in their head. "We'll add ALA to our creatine and market the shit out of it." That is the extent of the research investment many supplement companies adopt. It's ridiculous.
If you add ALA to a creatine powder the ALA will degrade and become ineffective in a matter of hours. As the ALA is dispersed in the powder it's exposure to massive amounts of air, light, and moisture causes rapid degradation. By the time you purchase the product, the ALA is useless.
This is why you should never use a creatine with the ALA already mixed in. This is exactly why we do not add ALA to any of our powders. To get the added benefits that ALA has on creatine uptake you should take the ALA in capsule form along with your creatine. The capsule will protect the ALA from outside elements and ensure that you are getting the full potency.
I have seen where some creatine powders have ALA added to them to help creatine uptake. Does this work?
No! There's a big problem with this. You see, ALA is a very unstable chemical that will degrade rapidly if exposed to atmospheric conditions for even short periods of time. In fact, when we purchase our ALA is is delivered in special 2 kilogram vacuum packed packages that uses a UV protected plastic. This packaging shields the ALA from both air and light.
It's almost comical how these companies formulate their products. They will read in a magazine where ALA mimics insulin. The will read in another magazine where spiking insulin helps increase creatine uptake. Ding! A light goes off in their head. "We'll add ALA to our creatine and market the shit out of it." That is the extent of the research investment many supplement companies adopt. It's ridiculous.
If you add ALA to a creatine powder the ALA will degrade and become ineffective in a matter of hours. As the ALA is dispersed in the powder it's exposure to massive amounts of air, light, and moisture causes rapid degradation. By the time you purchase the product, the ALA is useless.
This is why you should never use a creatine with the ALA already mixed in. This is exactly why we do not add ALA to any of our powders. To get the added benefits that ALA has on creatine uptake you should take the ALA in capsule form along with your creatine. The capsule will protect the ALA from outside elements and ensure that you are getting the full potency.
DIESELSUPERSAIYAN23
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VPX?? I dont know about that heard some great stuff about their products, planning to try the 1 test from them
Babyfaced Assassin
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thanks foxx, karma 2 u
PL_Beast
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Hey there, i figured ill drop a line or too
i ve been using EAS since i was in HS back when the protein was called phosphagain 1 hehe......early ninty's im still using it now every now and then, ive switched just to test other markets.
And all i can say is that everytime i use EAS i gain from it .
Ive used EAS MASS, Delux, HP , Synthvol, Cytovol and betagen, Glutamine
Out of those products the only ones that didnt do nothin for me were betagen hp. I dunno y but it was a waste. i had great results from the rest specially the protein. In HS i gained as much as 24 pounds in a month tranning twice a day using only creatine and phosphagain. It was amazing, everybody thought i was juiceing, even my coach ....lol. And now everytime i want to gain weight i use MASS, for a month or so, and i move up in weight /mass and keep it.
I switched to Muscle tech and nitro tech to see if theres going to be a diff , and sad to say that i wasted my money......it did nothin for me , and it tasted bad compared to EAS products, hey i still have Muscle tech here on my shelf if anyone wants!
CONCLUSION:: I guess it really matters and the person and ur body type, food consumtion, tranning sched,and life style , what work s for some dosent work for others.
i ve been using EAS since i was in HS back when the protein was called phosphagain 1 hehe......early ninty's im still using it now every now and then, ive switched just to test other markets.
And all i can say is that everytime i use EAS i gain from it .
Ive used EAS MASS, Delux, HP , Synthvol, Cytovol and betagen, Glutamine
Out of those products the only ones that didnt do nothin for me were betagen hp. I dunno y but it was a waste. i had great results from the rest specially the protein. In HS i gained as much as 24 pounds in a month tranning twice a day using only creatine and phosphagain. It was amazing, everybody thought i was juiceing, even my coach ....lol. And now everytime i want to gain weight i use MASS, for a month or so, and i move up in weight /mass and keep it.
I switched to Muscle tech and nitro tech to see if theres going to be a diff , and sad to say that i wasted my money......it did nothin for me , and it tasted bad compared to EAS products, hey i still have Muscle tech here on my shelf if anyone wants!
CONCLUSION:: I guess it really matters and the person and ur body type, food consumtion, tranning sched,and life style , what work s for some dosent work for others.
I apologize upfront if the contents of this post have already been stated by another board member. Redundancy is a real drag, I know! This is a good thread, but I don't have the time right now to read it in it's entirety as I have to hit the sack. But I will tomorrow, I promise.
I nominate dickhead-Joe Weider, or Uncle Joe. He's the patriarch, the man who fathered all of the companies you guys mentioned. He's laughing all the way to the bank in the 80 million (or is it 80 billion?) dollar a year supplement industry. He's the industries Chuck Berry, minus any artistic talent, but plenty of business sense. And the term "business sense" is a euphemism for ripping off the public, in Uncle Joes case.
Second in line for this paticular nomination would be Arnold hisself, for the one time Austrian D-Bol fiend helped catapault Joe to the top of the heap. And you could say without Uncle Joe, Arnold never would be where he is today either.
Yeah, yeah...I know Arnold copped to doing steroids a long while back while being interviewed for a Playboy Magazine feature article. But he wasn't confessing because he felt God would want him to. He had politcal aspirations and it was far better for him to cop to it before a future political opponent did it for him. A perfect though simple strategy that totally defused the issue before anyone could light a fuse to it.
I nominate dickhead-Joe Weider, or Uncle Joe. He's the patriarch, the man who fathered all of the companies you guys mentioned. He's laughing all the way to the bank in the 80 million (or is it 80 billion?) dollar a year supplement industry. He's the industries Chuck Berry, minus any artistic talent, but plenty of business sense. And the term "business sense" is a euphemism for ripping off the public, in Uncle Joes case.
Second in line for this paticular nomination would be Arnold hisself, for the one time Austrian D-Bol fiend helped catapault Joe to the top of the heap. And you could say without Uncle Joe, Arnold never would be where he is today either.
Yeah, yeah...I know Arnold copped to doing steroids a long while back while being interviewed for a Playboy Magazine feature article. But he wasn't confessing because he felt God would want him to. He had politcal aspirations and it was far better for him to cop to it before a future political opponent did it for him. A perfect though simple strategy that totally defused the issue before anyone could light a fuse to it.
mystic_man
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I totally agree.. EAS can bite it.. And Bill Phillips.. Muscletech sucks too because they take up too much space in my flex mag.
Studly Hungwell said:EAS. I got sucked into the andro-6, HMB, CLA, Phosphagain 2 (farts from hell) it should be called about 5 years ago. All this and some VHS tape with teary eyed testamonials (enough to make you wanna puke) about how some weak people transformed their shitty lives around, thanks to Bill Phillips "win a lamborgini(sp?)" contest.
What I hate most about this company is the hypocracy of pushing a supplement guide to expose whats real and not yet these people shovel the same BS, only different product. AND THEY ARE STILL PUSHING HMB!!!
All this with a front like % of proceeds going to "childrens' workshop" just to get the sqeeky clean image. I guess that is also a way for customers not to feel so bad that their HMB did not feel like deca
BrokerOnce
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I am glad I saw this before I bought anymore supps
Carved Outta Stone
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Biotest. Pricks.
Muscletech is a disgrace, and an insult to the sport. Okay, that is my opinion. I don't really approve of sh!t-talking, but I used to like certain mags, even in spite of the advertising B.S. Muscle-Yech just takes it to a whole new level, with like 30+ pages of glossy froth in every mag, including IRONMAN which I used to love, but now I barely read when it arrives each month. I guess the cheapest whey concentrate they pimp (Nitro-Tech) and the sugary monohydrate that is Cell-Tech is supposed to work like 15,000 % better than anything ever previously used. And its THAT stack that makes all the juiced freaks pictured (no offense to juicers, its just to make the point) look like they do. This, I suppose, according to those scientist guys pictured in the lab (...err... the Muscletech office kitchen/lunch room) with those beakers full of green water or purple Kool-Aid or whatever the hell that sh!t is. Or my favorite is the lab-chick looking through the microscope. At what??? Is she trying to find the whey isolate in a canister of Nitro-Tech??? Alright, rant is over. I guess it would be better if the stuff they sell was actually good quality. Naw....it'd still suck...
StickFigure
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JKurz1 said:
EAS does make some very good quality products, though overpriced, and Bill has done alot for the industry. The Sports Supp Reviews are a big plus to the "Natural" world. For being the owner of his own supp company, he is quite non-biased.
I would have to say I dislike Muscletec only because of their prices and their annoying 4 & 6 page adds. I hate accidentally getting sucked into what I think is going to be an interesting article only to turn the page and see yet ANOTHER mug shot of Jay "the Jaw" Cutler!!!
StickFigure
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Yoda1
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It will test out at 23grams for sure. See...here's how companies do it. The protein is only 34% pure meaning that only about 8grams is whey. The other 66% (15 grams) is left over byproduct from the manufacturing process. These byproducts are usually lactose and milk fractions; most of which is undigestable. That is the reason why some proteins give you gas. These byproducts are technically proteins, in an HPLC test, so therefore the FDA allows them to include it in the protein count. It's a loophole that supplement companies use to thier advantage. Protein bars use this trick a lot. Gelatin is a protein but has absolutely no BV value. It bumps up the protein content and gives the bar moisture.
gjohnson5
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Yoda1 said:
Good information in general. I do know of one person who said they got gas after switching to ON 100%, so I believe you. I would still have it tested. I am unfamiliar with the specifics of analytical chemistry , but I am sure that a method exists that can tell the difference between soy protein isolate , whey isolate and gelatin
Infact I find it hard to believe that liquid chromatography (HPLC) can't.Anyway I have some and will get it tested
Steve The Bluesman
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gmanlax7 said:
BINGO!!!
I like EAS, I get 5lb Myopro Whey for $20.78 - and it doesn't taste like shit. Now anything Weider, on the other hand, I would like to see Enronized...
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KIAN
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I'll answer your question a little differently by saying that all distributors within the United Kingdom should go under. Whether a product works or not, there is no way they can justify the prices they place on supplements. For someone just starting out in bodybuilding, there are enough obstacles for them to overcome with chosing the right supplements (ones that actually work) without having to worry whether or not you will be able to afford your next supply. I can purchase supplements online from America, pay the exchange rate, pay all the shipping and handling charges, ship them over to the UK, pay the import duties and they will still be cheaper than if I were to go across the street and purchase the exact same product off the shelves in a UK health food shop. It is rediculous. Here are just a few price comparisons:
EAS Betagen 90 servings (900g)
UK Price: 64.99 (122.34 US$)
US Price: 38.49
Price difference: 83.85 US$
EAS Phosphagen Elite 40 servings (1.9kg)
UK Price: 44.99 (84.69 US$)
US Price: 35.95
Price difference: 48.74 US$
Muscletech CellTech 985 grams
UK Price: 30.99 (58.33 US$)
US Price: 20.99
Price difference: 37.34 US$
BioTest Hot Rox
UK Price: 54.99 (only 80 caps) (103.47 US$)
US Price: 27.99 (110 caps)
Price difference: 75.48 US$
Prolab N-Large2 (4 lbs)
UK Price: 25.99 (48.90 US$)
US Price: 15.99
Price difference: 32.91 US$
Prolab Whey Protein Isolate (2 lbs)
UK Price: 39.99 (75.23 US$)
US Price: 27.50
Price difference: 47.73 US$
Oh, and on a personal note, I don't understand why anyone even goes into a GNC Store ... unless they are having a sale on Evening Primrose Oil.
EAS Betagen 90 servings (900g)
UK Price: 64.99 (122.34 US$)
US Price: 38.49
Price difference: 83.85 US$
EAS Phosphagen Elite 40 servings (1.9kg)
UK Price: 44.99 (84.69 US$)
US Price: 35.95
Price difference: 48.74 US$
Muscletech CellTech 985 grams
UK Price: 30.99 (58.33 US$)
US Price: 20.99
Price difference: 37.34 US$
BioTest Hot Rox
UK Price: 54.99 (only 80 caps) (103.47 US$)
US Price: 27.99 (110 caps)
Price difference: 75.48 US$
Prolab N-Large2 (4 lbs)
UK Price: 25.99 (48.90 US$)
US Price: 15.99
Price difference: 32.91 US$
Prolab Whey Protein Isolate (2 lbs)
UK Price: 39.99 (75.23 US$)
US Price: 27.50
Price difference: 47.73 US$
Oh, and on a personal note, I don't understand why anyone even goes into a GNC Store ... unless they are having a sale on Evening Primrose Oil.
BeasterUSN
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Yoda, do you have any quality protein source recommendations you would like to give?
