Where the Fuck is our Freedom?

[blueghost]

Your democrat congressmen also voted to go to war with the some info the president had. Your liberal judicial activists and liberal FDA union fuckers banned ephedra not GW. Oh ya lets make sure we kill unborn babies cause mom and dad fucked up meanwhile complain about soldiers getting killed in iraq. The dems need to figure out whether they are for or against people getting killed. I don't know anyone affected by stop loss everyone I know is staying in on their own free will or getting out. I live right by Pendleton and deal with marines everyday no one is complaining.

Again, this could go on all day which is why we have two major parties in the US. Both far from perfect, but in my opinion the conservatives have the most logical and fact based arguments. Too much extreme and strange shit going on with the left. Corrupt unions, killing babies, legalize drugs, put porn on television, gay marriage, take the guns, impose eminent domain, give up in Iraq and allow millions to die in the civil war that would arise. Think about it man the priorities are whacked. Lord forbid someone stand up for family values.

I deal with alot of soldiers, and not many of them are happy about the war.
As for the vote for the war, the final decision always rests with the president. He was the one who wanted a war, he was looking for an iraq connection as soon as the towers fell. As for legalizing drugs, you are posting on a steroid forum. As for corruption you dont get much more corrupt than giving haliburton contracts at no compete. There is Karl Rove who is giving up CIA agents to retaliate against her husband. No one is talking about putting porn on regular TV, but they are even talking about regulating cable TV, that is censorship to the highest degree, taking away choice. What people decide to do in there own homes as long as it does not hurt anyone else is their own choice. No one is saying pull out of Iraq, they just say that it is being handled badly, and was from the start. Whats wrong with gay marriage, oh yes, republicans want freedoms for themselves but not for everyone. We start a war over freedom but discriminate over who some poor S.O.B can love. The religous right has to much power in the republican party.
As for extremists the right has its own fair share, people killing abortion doctors, judges installing the 10 commandments in the court house (activism from the other side), GW.

 

[ebear]

I moved to Europe almost 15 years ago from the US (and am still a US citizen). Although the US will ALWAYS occupy a special place in my heart, there's no way I'd go back - at least not these days. The radicalism in thought that has taken over (e.g. Christian fundamentalism) plus the mindless politics & never-ending crime, hatred & violence all detract seriously from quality of life. Very sad - I truly hope things get better in the future.

 

[kbrkbr]

Lot of hate in this thread.

And a lot of ignorance.

 

[kbrkbr]

chat room

 

[ippon1]

I deal with alot of soldiers, and not many of them are happy about the war.
As for the vote for the war, the final decision always rests with the president. He was the one who wanted a war, he was looking for an iraq connection as soon as the towers fell. As for legalizing drugs, you are posting on a steroid forum. As for corruption you dont get much more corrupt than giving haliburton contracts at no compete. There is Karl Rove who is giving up CIA agents to retaliate against her husband. No one is talking about putting porn on regular TV, but they are even talking about regulating cable TV, that is censorship to the highest degree, taking away choice. What people decide to do in there own homes as long as it does not hurt anyone else is their own choice. No one is saying pull out of Iraq, they just say that it is being handled badly, and was from the start. Whats wrong with gay marriage, oh yes, republicans want freedoms for themselves but not for everyone. We start a war over freedom but discriminate over who some poor S.O.B can love. The religous right has to much power in the republican party.
As for extremists the right has its own fair share, people killing abortion doctors, judges installing the 10 commandments in the court house (activism from the other side), GW.

Most of the stuff you just said has not been proven. As usual with the liberals. Everyone wanted war when Bush decided to go to war, the President did what congress and the public wanted, live with it. The republican agenda does not include killing abortion doctors, people who do that are on their own and are criminals. Don't let the 10 commandments scare you there is no god. Right? Considering most of the pople in this country are christians of some sort and we live in a democracy it would seem fitting that christians have a lot of power.

What's wrong with gay marriage? Here are a few. Divorce rates overburdening the courts, adopted children left without a home upon divorce, urban sprawl...I could go on but no need do your own homework. Now tell me What is right about gay marriage? If you take an anatomy class you will figure out that males were built to have sex with females. How stupid do you have to be? Oh, I know, sexual preference and all that bullshit. There are plenty of men out there that prefer 12 year olds is that going to be next? Here it comes with the catholics and the little boys, don't even try it unless a non religious person has never been convicted of pedophilia. Those priests will burn in hell with the rest.

Look at your arguements man they make no fucking sense.
And yes I am posting on a steroid forum and I have used steroids but in reality no, they should not be legalized but they we should be able to get a prescription easier.

 

[Juice Authority]

Hey ass face, I spent ten years of my life in the military. When was the last time you traveled to a third world country? You think you have it hard here? If your biggest gripe is juice you have no idea what the fuck is going on in this world. I have been to fourteen countries in my ten years active, EACH of them had some pretty cool shit going on but ALL of them had some pretty big issues. Pound for pound NO country has so much personal freedom balanced with corporate security than the US. I think you need to be a hell of a lot more humble about how good you have it. I'm tired of hearing American’s bitch about how hard they have it, about how oppressed they are. Try getting your hands chopped off because someone SAID you stole from them. Clean water? We can get it five different ways; the majority of the world can't get it at all. The fact that that fruitcake lady can sit at the end of Pres. Bush's road also is a testament to our freedoms. If it were like many of the places I've traveled too, they'd just kill her and no one would say shit out of fear. I think you need to wake the hell up and see how GOOD you really have it.

Although you make some good points you can't compare the US to a third world country - apples to oranges. You have to compare the US to other like societies in order to guage our civil liberties and freedoms against those of other civilized and democratic nations. Freedom of speech and expression is common amongst other civilized and democractic nations so the fruitcake lady example holds no water. Look at all the anti-war and anti-Bush demonstations in the EU.

 

[Juice Authority]

american is FAR from freedom!!

this is freedom:

1) walkin into a pharmacy and buying streoids otc without anybody giving you a sour look.

2) how about drinkin a cold one on the street without cops hassling you.

3) sitting at the bar at 4am with a few bottles of wine.. whats wrong with that?

america is a joke!
and im a citizen!!
a fuckin joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The land of the free and home of the brave...

You can always make a good living in the US if you want to. No where else in the world do you have the same opportunties as you do in the US. America rewards achievement. The government gets their piece of the pie but that piece is much less than any other democratic nation in the world. Do you have any idea what the income tax brackets are like in the EU? I think we have it pretty good but then again some of us don't like to pay taxes so all that is a moot point, huh Satch?

 

[kbrkbr]

Although you make some good points you can't compare the US to a third world country - apples to oranges. You have to compare the US to other like societies in order to guage our civil liberties and freedoms against those of other civilized and democratic nations. Freedom of speech and expression is common amongst other civilized and democractic nations so the fruitcake lady example holds no water. Look at all the anti-war and anti-Bush demonstations in the EU.

JA, that you? You back?

 

[Juice Authority]

JA, that you? You back?

yeah, just killing some time on a saturday. How you been?

 

[kbrkbr]

yeah, just killing some time on a saturday. How you been?

I'm great. Where you been? You've been missed.