Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below 34 days ago i started QV EQ at 600mg per week for the first 2 weeks and then 400mg per week thereafter. I started 750mg per week of QV enanthate 23 days ago. I also have 300mg per week of QV deca started 21 days ago. All my injections are M-W-F. I began russian dbol at 40mg per day about 4 weeks ago and i am finishing up on them today. Arimidex is being run 1mg EOD and nolvadex is on hand. I have yet to gain a pound but my strength is through the roof. If nothing is kicking in besides the dbol yet should i take clomid for a week in the middle so i don't crash? Sorry if the post sounds irritating but it is really bugging the shit out of me.
when the hell is it gonna start to kick?
- Thread starter IronGhost
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the test, EQ, and deca were all shrinkwrapped straight from Quality Vet themselves. They have the hologram and lot #'s for me to check on their site.
My diet consists of about 5000 calories a day. I eat about every hour. I get atleast 300 grams of protein a day with very little fat. I am pretty lean and I am weighing in at about 255-260 (fluctuates from day to day). I am really loading up on the carbs for bulking and i drink about a gallon of water a day.
I was reading that some of the QV products take longer to kick in than others. Should i have gained a significant amount of weight by now. I am holding no water at all from the arimidex.
My diet consists of about 5000 calories a day. I eat about every hour. I get atleast 300 grams of protein a day with very little fat. I am pretty lean and I am weighing in at about 255-260 (fluctuates from day to day). I am really loading up on the carbs for bulking and i drink about a gallon of water a day.
I was reading that some of the QV products take longer to kick in than others. Should i have gained a significant amount of weight by now. I am holding no water at all from the arimidex.
I don't believe there are a lot of fake QV's out there. At least I haven’t heard of any. So I would have to say they are good to go. Your diet sounds like it is in check... Are you over training? Getting enough sleep? Worst-case scenario, you are one of the unlucky ones that doesn't respond well to AS... I know that's not what you want to hear, but there seems to be a few cases out there!
Silent Method
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IronGhost;
1. How tall are you?
2. How much do you weigh?
3. How old are you?
4. How many hours do you spend lifting per day, how many days do you lift per week?
5. What other exercise do you do, how much and how often?
6. What kind of activity lifestyle do you have? (Do you sit at a dest for 8 hrs/day, are you on your feet for 5 hrs/day, etc.)
7. What's your body composition like?
8. Are you getting a goodintake of vitamins and minerals?
9. Are you taking in good amounts of necessary fats?
1. How tall are you?
2. How much do you weigh?
3. How old are you?
4. How many hours do you spend lifting per day, how many days do you lift per week?
5. What other exercise do you do, how much and how often?
6. What kind of activity lifestyle do you have? (Do you sit at a dest for 8 hrs/day, are you on your feet for 5 hrs/day, etc.)
7. What's your body composition like?
8. Are you getting a goodintake of vitamins and minerals?
9. Are you taking in good amounts of necessary fats?
No limits - I have used cypionate, finaplix, and winny with good results a few times. So i don't think i am one of those unlucky few.
With the time that has passed, should it all be in full effect or should i expect to wait another week or so?
Silent Method -
1. 6'2"
2. 255-260
3. 23
4. 2 hours per day, 5 days per week
5. I don't do shit otherwise, trying to bulk so i am conserving any calorie burning at all.
6. I am a manager at GNC, i stand for about 8 hours a day. I sweat a lot too.
7. pretty lean and vascular. BF 10% or less.
8. I am taking a good multi. Along with necessary herbs.
9. I eat a lot of tuna and take seperate fish oils along with black currant oil.
thanks for the help guys
With the time that has passed, should it all be in full effect or should i expect to wait another week or so?
Silent Method -
1. 6'2"
2. 255-260
3. 23
4. 2 hours per day, 5 days per week
5. I don't do shit otherwise, trying to bulk so i am conserving any calorie burning at all.
6. I am a manager at GNC, i stand for about 8 hours a day. I sweat a lot too.
7. pretty lean and vascular. BF 10% or less.
8. I am taking a good multi. Along with necessary herbs.
9. I eat a lot of tuna and take seperate fish oils along with black currant oil.
thanks for the help guys
iceman11111 -
would i still be overtrained if my strength has gone up severely. Wouldn't my strength drop and i should be tired and depressed, right? Aren't those the symptoms.
My only question left is - - - Have i waited long enough for the test to kick in? This is my first time using arimidex so i don't know what to expect while on that.
thanks
would i still be overtrained if my strength has gone up severely. Wouldn't my strength drop and i should be tired and depressed, right? Aren't those the symptoms.
My only question left is - - - Have i waited long enough for the test to kick in? This is my first time using arimidex so i don't know what to expect while on that.
thanks
Steroid_Virgin
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Not one pound eh? Over training isn't going to keep you from gaining any weight if you are eating that much a day..
you said 5000 calories a day??
Something doesn't sound right.
you said 5000 calories a day??
Something doesn't sound right.
I'm running 300mgEQ/300mgEnth, and I started to feel a kick during week 3......then a BIG kick in week 4. Still, I was growing noticeably even during week 2. Given your high protein intake and caloric surplus, I have to wonder if the gear is shit. I've always grown on even just a single amp of sus w/ a crap diet, so I can't imagine how you wouldn't be growing right now if your gear was legit.
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WARBIRDWS6
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How in the fuck can you not have gained anything with all that gear. holy shit. i only weigh 160 at 5' 8" (small boned) and pretty cut, and just the d-bol at 30mg a day with like 4K cal's and i jumped up 10 lbs in a week. i have been training using 3 on, one off, 3 on...... and keeping it at 45 minute sessions really intense. but i don't see how overtraining a bit would cause you to gain nothing. that is crazy. Just the D-bol alone in the beginning should have jump started the weight gain big time. all your stuff can't be fake.......or maybe it is? but the marathon sessions are a bad thing, maybe try to do like the guys have said and keep it under an hour.........4 or 5 days a week.
I don't know what the fuck is going on. Two weeks ago i would jump up 6 pounds then the next day i would piss it all out. 2 days i will be 260 and the next 2 i will be 254. But i honestly have not gained any weight. My bench went from 405 to 475 since the get go. My temper is pretty bad, I am getting bad acne, my nips are sore and swolen. So i am ready to just throw in the fucking towel. What sucks is i am bulking for a show and am supposed to go straight into a cutting cycle. I will give it another week to work. Test usually takes a good 4 weeks to work for me. But i have never gone above 400mg a week. thanks for your help guys, wish me luck.
i thought the scale thing too, haha. I have a tanita body fat moniter scale. BF is way off, but i believe the weight is right.
would i still have gained any weight with the dbol while taking arimidex? Isn't all the weight from dbol's water?
funny thing is my arms are up a half inch to 20's. Quads are growing, chest too. But i am getting much more cut and vascular.
thanks for all your help. I will wait it out for another week.
would i still have gained any weight with the dbol while taking arimidex? Isn't all the weight from dbol's water?
funny thing is my arms are up a half inch to 20's. Quads are growing, chest too. But i am getting much more cut and vascular.
thanks for all your help. I will wait it out for another week.
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WARBIRDWS6
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also, i was thinking tonight.......your pretty heavy, so maybe your not taking in enough calories? i mean, a little shit like me needs 4K to grow........your 100 lbs more than me......perhaps your just partitioning the weight from losing fat gaining muscle. so you really did gain something, just not evident on the scale. drop down the training frequency and bump up the calories a grand and see what happens.
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WARBIRDWS6
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Thorazine said:
didn't i pretty much just say that?
and 5K may not be enough cals for a 260 lb sumbitch, like i said.I'm always amazed at how many members we have on this board who "claim" to be over 250 lbs and less than 10-12% bodyfat.
If any of you are that size, then you should consider a career in pro bodybuilding, and if that's the case, none of you should be asking any questions here because if your that size, you already know what the hell your doing.
I'm not going to lie about my stats, I'm 6' 264lbs, but I am no where near 10% bodyfat, probably around 17% right now, I'm simply amazed at how many people do not realize how low 10% bodyfat is. Every damn mother fucker on this board claims to be less than 12% BF., even some that claim to weigh as much as 300lbs.
If any of you are that size, then you should consider a career in pro bodybuilding, and if that's the case, none of you should be asking any questions here because if your that size, you already know what the hell your doing.
I'm not going to lie about my stats, I'm 6' 264lbs, but I am no where near 10% bodyfat, probably around 17% right now, I'm simply amazed at how many people do not realize how low 10% bodyfat is. Every damn mother fucker on this board claims to be less than 12% BF., even some that claim to weigh as much as 300lbs.
mr.homework
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Dude, I can't believe you're bitching about how little you have gained! You are 6'2" 255-260lbs and around 10% BF? You are genetically gifted! Try being 5'5" and exactly 100lbs less than what you weigh. Lets not mention the fact that I just finished my first cycle wich was completely botched, because the deca and my tits did not agree (by the way, I didn't gain shit because I had to drop the deca). My diet was excellent, my training was the same, and I made sure I got 8 hours of sleep every night.......when it comes down to it, my genetics suck ass (I get bitch tits easy, I am a hard gainer, and I am short to boot)!
I only wish I had your genetics. If you really want to get bigger than what you are (which I have no clue why you would want to get that big), then learn all you can about HGH & insulin, because it sounds to me like you are almost competition size already.
I only wish I had your genetics. If you really want to get bigger than what you are (which I have no clue why you would want to get that big), then learn all you can about HGH & insulin, because it sounds to me like you are almost competition size already.
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WARBIRDWS6
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mr.homework said:
you got a good point. that ungrateful bastard.
Silent Method
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IronGhost, assuming your stats and activity levels are correct, 5000 calories is almost dead on for your caloric maintenance level. 5000 calories may even be a little low if your bf is really 10% or less.IronGhost said:
Your simply eating too little to gain weight.
Two hours for five days a week in the gym sounds like a bit much as well. Hell, you could cut that gym time in half, kep calorie level static, and gain weight.
BTW, regarding comments like "if your really 250 with 10% bf you should be a pro bb contender etc., their is alot more to pro level bb than big mass and low bf numbers.
solidspine
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Something is not right, that gear should be kicking in by now, maybe not the Eq, but the d-bol for sure?
Silent Method
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He gained 70 pounds on his bench. The gear has kicked in. He's simply not eating enough to gain weight - he's eating at his freakin maintenance level!solidspine said:
I figured by now that i think i don't eat enough, i am hungry all the time but i don't have time to eat always. About 1000 of those calories comes from a weight gainer. I am starting to think that the dbol wasn't real. I stopped about 5 days ago and have lost nothing, no strength or size. My pumps are still just as good as they were. I hope to see some more results this week, it will be 4 weeks into my test.
thanks for the time and advice, maybe when i get my digi cam i can post some pics for proof.
thanks for the time and advice, maybe when i get my digi cam i can post some pics for proof.
Dude it sounds like to me that yo0u are going through the same thing that I am. I am 5'11" and weigh between 245 and 250. I have noticed that I am losing a lot of fat at the same time that I am gaing thickness. I probably shouldnt have started at the bf % that I did. I am runnning the exact same cycle minus the dbol and I am getting thick and wide as a house. just chill out and take the gains like they are coming. they are there but you were just to fat when you started the cycle. Enjoy yourself getting cut up.
ontheedge -
believe me bro, i am not that fat at all, i am just noticing little thinks like an extra striation on my chest or abs. My shoulders are getting quite a few veins popping out of them. The only thing that bothers me is that on every previous cycle i have done I have blown up real quick, In the back of my head i think that arimidex is not allowing it.
believe me bro, i am not that fat at all, i am just noticing little thinks like an extra striation on my chest or abs. My shoulders are getting quite a few veins popping out of them. The only thing that bothers me is that on every previous cycle i have done I have blown up real quick, In the back of my head i think that arimidex is not allowing it.
This is one of the strangest things I've ever heard ,strength up through the roof but not even 1 lb increase hmmmmm .I can just put the needle close to me and gain 2-3 lbs lol BTW I'm on the same cycle you are except for the d-bol and going into my 6th week tomorrow and its just starting to kick in more but I'm only 5'6 1/2 218 lbs and not a fat guy either but prob 12 % bf
pittbull2
Are you saying that you are into your 6th week and it is just now starting to give you gains? Are you using QV products too? Some say that QV enanthate takes 4-5 weeks to work for them and some say other brands take 2-3 weeks to work.
Anyway, i just went shopping and loaded the fuck up with food, so i am upping my calories even more. I am running out of time, my show is only 13 weeks away.
later
Are you saying that you are into your 6th week and it is just now starting to give you gains? Are you using QV products too? Some say that QV enanthate takes 4-5 weeks to work for them and some say other brands take 2-3 weeks to work.
Anyway, i just went shopping and loaded the fuck up with food, so i am upping my calories even more. I am running out of time, my show is only 13 weeks away.
later
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