When Does It Become Too Much???

[eando]

I take alot of supps, IMO, while on cycle as well as off. I usually take the majority of them all at one time unless you are supposed to take before bed or something like that.

My question is, would I be better off spreading them out throughout the day or does it not really matter. Just to give an example of some of the supps I like to take, please see the list below:

Multi
CLA
R-ALA
Vitamin B Compound
Lipoflame
ZMA
Glutamine
L-Carnitine
Milk Thistle
Vitamin C
Shark Cartilage
Chromium

Just to name a few...

 

[Nelson Montana]

I take alot of supps, IMO, while on cycle as well as off. I usually take the majority of them all at one time unless you are supposed to take before bed or something like that.

My question is, would I be better off spreading them out throughout the day or does it not really matter. Just to give an example of some of the supps I like to take, please see the list below:

Multi
CLA
R-alpha lipoic acid
Vitamin B Compound
Lipoflame
ZMA
Glutamine
L-Carnitine
Milk Thistle
Vitamin C
Shark Cartilage
Chromium

Just to name a few...

You have a lot of repeats and a lot of worthless stuff in there. Chromium, B complex, C, ZMA are all in a multi. Lipoflame is more of a pre-workout thing. Glutamine is in protein so you don't need extra. Shark Cartilage is bogus. You can use an overhaul bro.

 

[eando]

So to kinda answer my question, its too much in your opinion. But then, for example, you would not take additional multi's, just an all in one multi???

 

[glover]

It's all bogus. Just take a multi. Unless you just like giving your money away!!

 

[eando]

Also, when you so that Glutamine is in protein so I dont need extra, cant you make the same arguement for all vitamins and minerals. They are all found in food products. Or are you just saying that all the glutamine I need can be taken in from a protein source.

 

[todoveritas]

Glutamine is in protein so you don't need extra...

Nelson, I used to believe the same thing. However, there was some promising research that changed my mind. (I am sure you know this already) Japanese researchers found that a mixture of BCAA and glutamine helped muscle tissue repair faster. (Ohtani, Masaru, Sugita, Masaaki, Maruyama, Kimiaki Amino Acid Mixture Improves Training Efficiency in Athletes J. Nutr. Feb 2006 136: 538S-543),
In an A.A.S.-enriched environment, I felt this would be helpful bc I usually train 7-days a week. My thinking followed the lines of: If I had extra L-glutamine available immediately post-work-out via supplementation, my body would not need to expend energy cleaving the amino acids out of my protein drink.

Can I tell a difference? Probably not, but pre-contest, I tend to hedge my bets.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, I used to believe the same thing. However, there was some promising research that changed my mind. (I am sure you know this already) Japanese researchers found that a mixture of BCAA and glutamine helped muscle tissue repair faster. (Ohtani, Masaru, Sugita, Masaaki, Maruyama, Kimiaki Amino Acid Mixture Improves Training Efficiency in Athletes J. Nutr. Feb 2006 136: 538S-543),
In an A.A.S.-enriched environment, I felt this would be helpful bc I usually train 7-days a week. My thinking followed the lines of: If I had extra L-glutamine available immediately post-work-out via supplementation, my body would not need to expend energy cleaving the amino acids out of my protein drink.

Can I tell a difference? Probably not, but pre-contest, I tend to hedge my bets.

What is interesting about that study is that it's glutamine AND bcaa's. Well, bcaa's TURN INTO GLUTAMINE in the body and that's the best way to get glutamine. And yes, THAT is effective. In fact, bcaa's in high enough dosages can be tremendously effective. You'll see results, like -- dare I say -- roid use. (Well, not quite, but you know what I mean. You'll SEE a difference). But it's just too damn expensive at an effective dosage. (About $10 a day). Super plasma protein is in the same league, maybe better, and more economical. But orally ingested glutamine alone ...nope -- hardly even absorbable.

And no, you can't compare vitamins because the amount of food you'd need to match that in a simple pill would be enormous. If you want the most complete multi, check this out: http://proteinfactory.com/shop/product.php?productid=427&cat=0&page=1

 

[holy ghost]

good post nelson !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[gettnlarge01]

This is a good example of how more is not always better.

 

[crazydave]

I agree with the above posts for the most part except for the glutamine. Its the most abundant amino acid in skeletal muscle and studies have shown that lifting can decrease these levels so, IMHO, it seems only logical that supplementing it will aid in assisting glutmine levels and thus helping recovery on these lines.

As far as timing goes, the two hours after your workout is the window of opportunity for good nutrient uptake into muscle cells so again, IMHO, it would seem logical to take your multi-v after your workout with a lot of simple and complex carbs and whey protein. This combo spikes insulin levels and should drive the vitamins and minerals into your muscles. A lot of people advocate taking vitamins in themornin which may be just a good but I read this in a great post workout article and it made a lot of sense. Either way, always drink a lot of fluids when taking your multi and take it with meal if possible. Good luck bro hope this helps.

CD

 

[CremasterBlaster]

Just my opinion (I know we all like our own)......l-glutamine and l-arginine have been shown to provide anabolic tissue support (especially in burn victims) and in strength athletes.....I would ditch all but the multi, you can buy powdered glutamine and arginine by the kilo and mix with pre and post w/o shakes (although I like arginine before bed for the little bit of vaso-dilation effect it has on Mr. Johnson).........if your on-cycle I might add a calcium supp or some calcium bicarbonate antacid tabs for bone and joint support.......esp w/ winstrol, or any anti-e that impairs bone density/joint fluid (letro)........just my stupid opinion ,but to each his/her own

 

[OMEGA]

Use LIPOFLAME as you would something Like Redline RTD which is for Cardio or Legs or just a great Morning Pick me up.

And use Amplify02 for Upper body for max Pumps and power.


-OMEGA

www.AGXsports.com

 

[Nelson Montana]

I agree with the above posts for the most part except for the glutamine. Its the most abundant amino acid in skeletal muscle and studies have shown that lifting can decrease these levels so, IMHO, it seems only logical that supplementing it will aid in assisting glutmine levels and thus helping recovery on these lines.


CD

This is the logic used by supplement companies to sell glutamine. Unfortunatetly, orally ingested glutamine is not very digestable. (GLutamine pedides are somewhat more so). This is why studies done on burn victims and such used IV administration.

Once again, the body makes glutamine from BCAA's. So if you want that abundant amino use BCAA's or foods high in BCAA's such as eggs or egg protein. BTW: BIG BLAST contains whey isolate, whole egg and super serum protein. VERY high in BCAA's.

 

[OMEGA]

Nelson I think this is a good stack:


http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7496107-post8.html

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Water soluble vitamins like B's and C should be taken through out the day.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson I think this is a good stack:


http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7496107-post8.html

For fat loss, yeah.

 

[bigmodean]

I take alot of supps, IMO, while on cycle as well as off. I usually take the majority of them all at one time unless you are supposed to take before bed or something like that.

My question is, would I be better off spreading them out throughout the day or does it not really matter. Just to give an example of some of the supps I like to take, please see the list below:

Multi
CLA
R-alpha lipoic acid
Vitamin B Compound
Lipoflame
ZMA
Glutamine
L-Carnitine
Milk Thistle
Vitamin C
Shark Cartilage
Chromium

Just to name a few...

Just rub some dirt on your chest and arms,fuck all that shit.

 

[eando]

Just rub some dirt on your chest and arms,fuck all that shit.

Thx for all the input but this one has to be my favorite...

 

[Nelson Montana]

Water soluble vitamins like B's and C should be taken through out the day.

Water soluable vits are in the system for approx 24 hours so it's not an emergency.

 

[B-rad]

I take a multi vitamin,B-12, fish oil capsule, and add L-cartine to pre and postworkout whey protein shake. I also take L-cartine 30 min prior to early mournig cardio. Everything seems to working fine for me.

6'3
225lbs
6-7% bf