what's the ultimate cycle for keepable gains?

[shortstack]

lets hear it big guys, what would be the best combination for "keepable" gains?

im thinking
week 1-6 40 var
1-8 300 primo
1-8 300 deca
with some gh 5 iu's a day.
ended with some hcg.
??

 

[NYBodyguard]

test/deca when bulking

var when cutting

hcg/clomid (hcg 2 weeks clomid 2 weeks after that)

just what i think im sure everyone has their own story

 

[Triple-G]

week 1-6 40 var
1-8 300 primo
1-8 300 deca
with some gh 5 iu's a day.
ended with some hcg.
??

nandrolone will shut you down very hard; not only suppresses it the HPTA, it also impairs the function of the testes and the decanoate ester makes sure that this effects last for up to three weeks. you may want to limit deca use to the first 3-4 weeks and move the var to the end instead.

another note: your dick will go to sleep during the course of the cycle; throw some test, at least 250mg every 2nd week min., in there if you need it functioning

 

[Latamier]

Best is to do 4-6I.Us of HGH day for 12 months with the addition of 1 gram of test every week/Yr along with an assortment of others like dbol, Eq, Tren, etc. My cycles generally last 12 months or longer. I have more detailed ones on the board. Just do a search on my name or shoot me a PM if interested in a longer cycle.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

test/deca when bulking

var when cutting

hcg/clomid (hcg 2 weeks clomid 2 weeks after that)

just what i think im sure everyone has their own story

gear is interchangeable..it doesnt make you cut..diet is what makes you cut!!!

 

[The_first_athlete]

My most succesful cycle was 600mg BrovelT200 and 500mg Ganabol for 10 weeks followed by 3 weeks of 300mg deca and 200mg primobolan. Nolva was used at 10mgs thruout and clomid at 100ED and 50ED...

Made 32 lbs. Possibly not all muscle but surely looke dlike it.
Lost about 4-5lbs in the following 4 months and thats as bad as it got.

 

[Tryn2]

Why do people always say deca ruins your dick. I have run it and it improved libido alot more than test. I ran deca alone. I may be lucky but I have talked to alot who feel the same so i wouldnt knock it quite yet...Its not all or nothing in this game so I would throw out those definate answers.

 

[benevolent anarchist]

I agree with the Bodyguard from New York. Too bad I can’t use deca anymore, other than low-dose. Deca makes you strong fairly quickly and with proper PCT, the ability to hold on to those gains.

Other than the magic of deca; the compounds that produce the slow and steady gains, usually yield the most keep-able strength in the end. Think primobolin depot, anavar, and growth hormone.

On the opposite end of the spectrum you have your trenbolone and anadrol, which catapult your strength into the stratosphere, yet when it’s over, your strength can plummet so much so that some people get depressed at how weak they’ve gotten. Which is why (and I’m just babbling here) I NEVER end a cycle with tren.

 

[majutsu]

benev, why can't you use deca bro? And give me ideas of your concepts of high and low dose.

 

[benevolent anarchist]

benev, why can't you use deca bro? And give me ideas of your concepts of high and low dose.

Low dose; being 200mg a week for joint lubrication purposes only.

I don’t mean that I can’t use it as much as I won’t use it anymore. I tried it back in 1986 when it was THE rage, and probably still is the rage with a lot of people. Some people believe it’s the perfect steroid. BUT, deca is the only AAS that gave me bad gyno symptoms—and quick! I’m talking within the first 2-3 weeks of use.

Also my hair started falling out more so than anything else I’d ever used at the time. And the difference with this hair problem is that it has been permanent. As I stated on another thread, I’ve always been able to grow back the hair lost on a cycle, but ever since this deca cycle, my hair has stayed noticeably thinner on top.

I didn’t (and still don’t) know anything about stopping deca gyno and hair loss back then, so I abruptly ended my cycle three weeks in. That’s all I can say about it. It was such a bad experience that I never wanted to go back and try it again except at a low dose. And since there are plenty of other AAS that work well for me without the above mentioned side-effects, why bother?

 

[napolean22]

keepable gains has little to do with drugs, and much to do with diet/training/PCT.

scenerio...
guyA runs var for 8 wks -- gains 12lbs, keeps 10lbs
guyB runs deca for 8 wks -- gains 20lbs, keeps 10lbs (and spends less money)

 

[bullcocky]

keepable gains has little to do with drugs, and much to do with diet/training/PCT.

scenerio...
guyA runs var for 8 wks -- gains 12lbs, keeps 10lbs
guyB runs deca for 8 wks -- gains 20lbs, keeps 10lbs (and spends less money)

Scenerio continued....
guyC runs drol & test 8 wks -- gains 30lbs, quits working out, & becomes a couch potato -- keeps 5lbs and becomes a lardass.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

NO. FORGET THAT BULLCRAP...

tren 50-75mg ed
winny 50mg ed.


ultimate.

 

[view]

Best is to do 4-6I.Us of HGH day for 12 months with the addition of 1 gram of test every week/Yr along with an assortment of others like dbol, Eq, Tren, etc. My cycles generally last 12 months or longer. I have more detailed ones on the board. Just do a search on my name or shoot me a PM if interested in a longer cycle.

You might get a lot of gains with this and keep a lot, but IMO, this is not healthy and not nesecary for the average guy.

Based on your avatar however, you are not average, and it may be okay for you.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

hey latamier knows his stuff. at oover a gram a week of juice, that would probably be more than i would recommend to the average not on all year juicer. im an advocate of lower dose cycles, but not the typical ''low dose cycles''

500mg test a week IMO is a good base.

if you can afford the GH i would go for it just because of the lipolysis factor.