whats the number1 steroid for "PERMINENT" gains

[Voijn]

Think we need to look into the subject "Biological maximum" what i mean is that your body produces an amount of testosterone
that amount of testosterone is able to give you exp: 95kg clean mass over alot of years of training and perfect dieting

for those people that have not reached their Biological maximum, they will be able to reach their BM alot faster with the use of steroids. So by juiceing you can force alot more muscle on and then keep most of it with your own production of testosterone

For those that are over their limit of their BM, their body cannot simply produce more test and they are therefor not able to keep what ever muscle that is over their BM. Thats why they will have to keep juiceing to keep their mass "bridgeing into another heavyier cycle"

Another factor is what steroide you use, Test will produce some clean mass but will also produce alot of water weight.
and as far as i know test shuts your htpa quite down meaning that you will have to recover for a while to reach your BM to keep mass
so by not reaching full recovery when your stopping juiceing you will lose some weight due to not haveing your own test max up

So my conclusion would be. Primobolan, Anavar / Winstrol
Dry clean gains, quite mild on the HTPA

 

[digit0x]

Assuming you can deal with the joint pain. Not a fan of winny myself.

My joints are temper-mental already. I won't even try winny. My vote goes to EQ. I don't experience anxiety sides. Relatively inexpensive, slow, quality gains, improves cardio performance and helps me eat 5000 cals.


gg

 

[anabolicscuba]

Primobolan depot. It isn't cheap though.

 

[rouss]

they cos a lot of $$ for a reason. I was also cosidering a VAR/PRIMO stack

 

[Littleman784]

Propper diet isn't a steroid.

Then there's no such steroid buddy!!!!!! Hell if there was then everyone would take it and workout for a 1-2 years and quit!!! I mean really think about it!!!! If this person who wrote the post thinks he going to cycle this "magic steroid" once and gain 20lbs. and not keep working out and quit eating enough calories to mantain the new muscle and thinks hes going to keep it for the rest of his life,he needs to wake up!!! Or maybe im taking the wrong AS cuz I have to train and eat right to maintain my gains!!

 

[HAYEZ]

they cos a lot of $$ for a reason. I was also cosidering a VAR/PRIMO stack

cost has nothing to do with permanent gains...nor is any steroid going to give you permanent gains

 

[Nelson Montana]

cost has nothing to do with permanent gains...nor is any steroid going to give you permanent gains

No, but I think the question is more a matter of what "what steroid actually grows muscle tissue the best? Once that occurs, it's easier to maintain. But gains from water, blood volume, creatine deposits, swelling, etc can not be maintained. But those can be replicated with supplements. Of course, the bottom line is, you have to keep training -- even harder when you;re off. But a lot of guys get lazy when the gains come slowly and train LESS hard.

 

[HAYEZ]

No, but I think the question is more a matter of what "what steroid actually grows muscle tissue the best? Once that occurs, it's easier to maintain. But gains from water, blood volume, creatine deposits, swelling, etc can not be maintained. But those can be replicated with supplements. Of course, the bottom line is, you have to keep training -- even harder when you;re off. But a lot of guys get lazy when the gains come slowly and train LESS hard.

but those are not gains...its just bloat and being puffy..just side effects ,i never consider water weight or the pump any kind of gain..shit u can take cell volumizer and think u get gains hahaha but i can see where newbies think there 80mg of dbol a day and 30 lbs of estrogen floating thru there body could be confused as being swole haha

without proper routine and incredible diet not many gains are kept long term...

 

[stevesmi]

no matter how much you gain on cycle, if you were to just stop lifting afterwards you would lose it all.. a buddy of mine ran a deca cycle.. got swole and then lost everything cuz afterwards he got lazy. so then he decides to jump on another deca cycle.. he is using AAS to motivate him to workout. totally pointless if you ask me.

 

[satyricon1]

Trenbolone is the ultimate in mass building and gains keeping, reason I think is because you dont draw a lot of water with tren, so you dont piss out your muscles after 2 weeks, like you do with for example test. So my may lose the gains from tren as well, but it takes longer, making you psychologically feeling that you keep gains longer. I also believe that because it takes longer to drop the gains, i get my normal hormone levels back at the right time to maintain my gains.

I am starting my 2nd tren cycle coming week, I have never grown as much as I did 8 years ago when i ran my first tren cycle.