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[iceman7230]

Have not been around in a while, what's up with everyone.

I am still on my cycle of:

1-10 Deca 500mgs ew
1-16 EQ 800 mgs ew
1-17 Test E 1g ew
Oh and I threw in 4iu's of growth for the last 20 days of the cycle. I have two weeks left. BO HOO!

Going pretty good I have not gained any weight but I have gained muscle and lost some bf from this cycle. I have been training to get stronger not bigger for the last 2 months. My strength gain have gone up quite a bit.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Why gh for only 20 days?

 

[iceman7230]

I know! I got it for free and wanted to try. I was going to get some more but I couldn't get any. I will probably switch to IGF after and then back to gh

 

[Nelson Montana]

Have not been around in a while, what's up with everyone.

I am still on my cycle of:

1-10 Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 500mgs ew
1-16 Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - 800 mgs ew
1-17 testosterone enanthate 1g ew
Oh and I threw in 4iu's of growth for the last 20 days of the cycle. I have two weeks left. BO HOO!

Going pretty good I have not gained any weight but I have gained muscle and lost some bf from this cycle. I have been training to get stronger not bigger for the last 2 months. My strength gain have gone up quite a bit.

Over 2 grams of gear a week and you haven't gained any weight? Dude, you're doing something wrong. How can you be training for strength on a calorie restricted diet? Of course you'll be stronger on that much gear but so what? You'll lose it when you stop and if you don't put on any muscle you'll have even less once you're suppressed -- and maybe some nice titties to boot.

This is the absolute worst way to use steroids IMO.

 

[iceman7230]

Over 2 grams of gear a week and you haven't gained any weight? Dude, you're doing something wrong. How can you be training for strength on a calorie restricted diet? Of course you'll be stronger on that much gear but so what? You'll lose it when you stop and if you don't put on any muscle you'll have even less once you're suppressed -- and maybe some nice titties to boot.

This is the absolute worst way to use steroids IMO.

You think you know everything don't you.

If you would learn how to read you would have realized that I said that I have put on muscle and lost probably 6% bf.

I went from 220 to 230 which is not that much although I have lost a considerable amount of bf.

You think you know everything Nelson but you are pretty small yourself!

 

[asianlover]

You think you know everything don't you.

If you would learn how to read you would have realized that I said that I have put on muscle and lost probably 6% bf.

I went from 220 to 230 which is not that much although I have lost a considerable amount of bf.

You think you know everything Nelson but you are pretty small yourself!

burn.
anyway, thats some damn good results. what diferences have found in using eq and deca in the same cycle as oposed to using more of just one?

 

[iceman7230]

When I use Deca and test only I tend to get alot of water weight. When used with EQ you still have the vascular look.

 

[asianlover]

When I use Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and test only I tend to get alot of water weight. When used with Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - you still have the vascular look.

is there any added benifit to using them together, or where you just trying to get a little of both result with minimal sides?

 

[iceman7230]

is there any added benifit to using them together, or where you just trying to get a little of both result with minimal sides?

Ya the benefit is you still get the joint and size from the deca and still keep the hardness and vascularity from the eq.

Try it out bro.

Next cycle I am going to amp down though. I will probably only do 500mgs test.

I am going off for 6 months

 

[Nelson Montana]

You think you know everything don't you.

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NO, BUT PROBABLY MORE THAN YOU.


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If you would learn how to read you would have realized that I said that I have put on muscle and lost probably 6% bf.
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PROBABLY? AND YOU'RE ATILL 15%. IT TOOK 2 GRAMS OF GEAR TO GET TO WHAT YOU SHOULD BE NATURALLY.


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I went from 220 to 230 which is not that much although I have lost a considerable amount of bf.
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NOW YOU'RE CHANGING YOUR STORY. RE-READ YOUR OWN FIRST POST. YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T GAIN ANY WEIGHT. IN THE LAST 5 MINUTES YOU PUT ON TEN POUNDS.

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You think you know everything Nelson but you are pretty small yourself!

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I THINK I LOOK AT LEAST AS GOOD AS YOU AND I'M 54 AND NATURAL. AND I NEVER DID MORE THAN 800 MGS A WEEK IN MY LIFE. I'VE NEVER GONE OVER 8 WEEKS IN A CYCLE. AND I DON'T HAVE GYNO.


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[Trendsetter21]

Ok guys. I can totally see what Nelson was thinking from your first post. When I first read it to I had the same reaction. That much gear and you didn't gain a pound. Thats not good results. After your next post showing your bf % it actually shows that you have made gains so I don't think you should be shooting your mouth off about it cuz you would probably have the same opinion if some other guy came on and made that post of being on 2g of gear and not gaining a pound. I really don't think bashing Nelson makes sense because your first post was confusing and when I read it again I thought the same things. Congrats on reaching your goals but all you had to do was explain more and give more information and it would've made everything better without a petty internet fight.


On a side note that kinda goes along with this post....
Another thing I don't understand are all the guys that are under 250lbs and using 2g or more of gear. Seriously do you think your body can process all that? I have a hard time understanding how people can't make amazing gains on lower dosages, everyone has to realize that your body can only process so much. Just like creatine. If you take more than 10g a day your just pissing the rest out. So whats the point?

Again this is my opinion you can have your own but if you really think about what I'm saying its hard to argue it.

 

[theblondebomber]

Ok guys. I can totally see what Nelson was thinking from your first post. When I first read it to I had the same reaction. That much gear and you didn't gain a pound. Thats not good results. After your next post showing your bf % it actually shows that you have made gains so I don't think you should be shooting your mouth off about it cuz you would probably have the same opinion if some other guy came on and made that post of being on 2g of gear and not gaining a pound. I really don't think bashing Nelson makes sense because your first post was confusing and when I read it again I thought the same things. Congrats on reaching your goals but all you had to do was explain more and give more information and it would've made everything better without a petty internet fight.


On a side note that kinda goes along with this post....
Another thing I don't understand are all the guys that are under 250lbs and using 2g or more of gear. Seriously do you think your body can process all that? I have a hard time understanding how people can't make amazing gains on lower dosages, everyone has to realize that your body can only process so much. Just like creatine. If you take more than 10g a day your just pissing the rest out. So whats the point?

Again this is my opinion you can have your own but if you really think about what I'm saying its hard to argue it.

I think i kind of said the same thing in the GH thread.

 

[Tatyana]

You think you know everything don't you.

If you would learn how to read you would have realized that I said that I have put on muscle and lost probably 6% bf.

I went from 220 to 230 which is not that much although I have lost a considerable amount of bf.

You think you know everything Nelson but you are pretty small yourself!

I wouldn't call Nelson small.

And I bet his willy works.

I do have concerns about the amount of gear you are taking as well, there are only a set number of testosterone receptors, and more is not going to make any difference.

That is like junkies having to take more to get the same effect, but it is never like the first initial 'high'.

So to be clear, how long have you been on?

What was your starting weight and bodyfat?

What is your weight now and bodyfat?

Are you off now?

How recent is your avvie as well, as it does look like there is a wee bit of gyno going on.

If you are going to use, it is sensible to get the most bang for your buck, so if you would like to post your diet and training, some adjustments may be suggested to maximise your current? or next cycle.

 

[iceman7230]

The gyno you are refering to I have had ever since I was a kid. It is not from the steroids, I have never had gyno from the steroid usage. I think there is a different name for this type of gyno.

This is my 9th cycle and am almost done. I am 27 years old.

I started out using small amounts of gear and gradually increased doses over the years. I know it's alot of gear and I am planning on going off for a while and doing small dose cycles again after this process. I haven't got the results from the small dose cycles in the past.

 

[Tatyana]

The gynecomastia you are refering to I have had ever since I was a kid. It is not from the steroids, I have never had gynecomastia from the steroid usage. I think there is a different name for this type of gynecomastia.

This is my 9th cycle and am almost done. I am 27 years old.

I started out using small amounts of gear and gradually increased doses over the years. I know it's alot of gear and I am planning on going off for a while and doing small dose cycles again after this process. I haven't got the results from the small dose cycles in the past.

I assume you are taking extra precautions for the gyno then.

If you have had it since you were young, it does suggest that the testosterone/oestrogen balance in your body is not in the ususal reference range.

Did you have blood work done before you started on any cycles, or since to check your test, oestradiol, LH, FSH, SHBG, liver function?

What is your diet like?

It is one of my fav things, diet, and I am quite good at sorting out adjustments so you can maximise gains.



I would recommend you go nattie for awhile, see where you are at, good to hear that is your plan as well.

You may be a candidate for HRT if you do have the unusual Test/oestrogen balance.

 

[hurricane]

well long as your happy thats what matters ... cant see how u can be using test/Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - and not gain a pound ..u deff not eating enough calories and prob protein..if u were looking to lose weight .. why would u be running a cycle like this to begin with?1 g of test a week? jesus lol