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what's better liporexin or Zip ?

One, Thermorexin addresses several aspects of dieting and even includes smart drugs to help you keep focus. It has appetite suppression to help keep you from cheating. It has thermogenics and stimulants to keep your metabolism raised and you workouts easier. The other, Liporexin is for those people who don't want to use stimulants or that want some thyroid adjustment rather than stims. Liporexin is a fat burner that you can take before bed at night. When you take them together you have created the perfect diet and fat burning environment.
 
ulter said:
One, Thermorexin addresses several aspects of dieting and even includes smart drugs to help you keep focus. It has appetite suppression to help keep you from cheating. It has thermogenics and stimulants to keep your metabolism raised and you workouts easier. The other, Liporexin is for those people who don't want to use stimulants or that want some thyroid adjustment rather than stims. Liporexin is a fat burner that you can take before bed at night. When you take them together you have created the perfect diet and fat burning environment.

thanks for the info bro..

-matt
 
I'm going to be trying both of them soon. I just ordered some Liporexin. Will start it up soon. And as soon as I can get my hands on some ZIP, I'll throw it into the mix.

The way I look at it, if they work together, then why not take advantage? I've used all sorts of stuff, mainly stimulants, etc. If there is something new that can help out, I am all about it.

BTW ulter and macro - you guys have always brought out some great stuff with great customer service and excellent shipping. Kudos.
 
jboldman said:
Nelson, how about listing the ingredients for zip for us?

jb


Sure, ZIP! contains:

Acetyl L Tyrosine

7 Keto DHEA

Olive Leaf Extract 6% Oleuropein

Kelp

Bitter orange extract

Selenium

Desicatted Thyroid Gland Extract

Molybdenium
 
ulter said:
Whoa!! I have been mistaken. I thought this was stimulant free like Liporexin. Bitter orange extract is a stimulant, it contains synephrine. So these two are for different crowds.


Not really. Technically, bitter orange is not a CNS since it doesn't cross the blood /brain barrier.


True, it will gve a little "punt" in energy but it'll do so without the side effects of CNS, caffeine or yohimbe, (which by the way, is considered toxic in high dosages and dangerous if mixed with beta blockers or MOA inhibitors).

So essentially, even people sensitive to stimulents (such as myself) can take bitter orange with no problems.

In a way, you an say that Capsicum (which is contained in Liporexin) is a stimulent because it too has an energizing effect. It's all a vauge disertion, but as long as it isn't a CNS, the side effects are avoided.
 
synephrine is an alpha1 agonist- it does cross the blood brain barrier- its effects are "wakeful"- (alpha1 agonism is the principal by which provigil- narcolepsy medicine- works- though provigil is more selective) taking this in the evening will lead to sleeplessness for a number of people
 
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