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You are a teacher of a non credited course. Its creative- like acting or singing.
There's someone in the class who has lead a sad life-she obviously has some mental problems that prevent her from keeping a job for very long or maintaining relationships. She's been kicked out of apartments before too, but she looks like a nice, normal, well adjusted woman.

and whatever you're teaching... she's HORRIBLE at. She laughingly bad, but keeps coming to class and trying, listening to the advice but not taking it.

would you tell her how bad she is? continue to try to help her get better, even though she'll OBVIOUSLY never be a professional, or just say, "very nice... NEXT!"
?
 
Be honest, but encouraging.

I could learn to draw, paint or act like other people... It'd just take me 10 times as long. Yet they could look at simple algebra in horror and I'd be, like, WTF? This is easy. Sure, they could learn it... but it might take them 10 times as long as someone else. This analogy could be expounded to cover limitless situations.

Personally, I'm a slower learner. However, a long attention span and persistance (and an encouraging attitude) is what allows me to succeed in whatever I might attempt. I hate people who pick up on things right away... only to give up when it became trying for them. I look at them like, damn, this was never easy for me in the first place.

You must see yourself and what you need to change. Make sure this person sees herself clearly -- for better or for worse -- and let her make the choice of pursueing it further or recognizing that she might be better suited doing something else.




:cow:
 
samoth said:
Be honest, but encouraging.

I could learn to draw, paint or act like other people... It'd just take me 10 times as long. Yet they could look at simple algebra in horror and I'd be, like, WTF? This is easy. Sure, they could learn it... but it might take them 10 times as long as someone else. This analogy could be expounded to cover limitless situations.

Personally, I'm a slower learner. However, a long attention span and persistance (and an encouraging attitude) is what allows me to succeed in whatever I might attempt. I hate people who pick up on things right away... only to give up when it became trying for them. I look at them like, damn, this was never easy for me in the first place.

You must see yourself and what you need to change. Make sure this person sees herself clearly -- for better or for worse -- and let her make the choice of pursueing it further or recognizing that she might be better suited doing something else.




:cow:

this is what you say for a accredited class.
for a class like the one you described, ie candle making, "very nice, Next!"
 
Ludendorf said:
this is what you say for a accredited class.
for a class like the one you described, ie candle making, "very nice, Next!"


thats what I'm wondering, and why i noted that its a non credit course. I really don't want to give her extra help... she's so far from being good, or even acceptable, that at best she'd be recreational at it and she might as well be horrible and do it recreationally.

I can't sing. not a note. if i took a class and kept going and going, i don't know if i'd want the teacher to really tell me how bad I am, or just say "keep working on those scales... NEXT!"

so far, i give her advice and try to be as encouraging as possible. she might be getting worse though.
 
Ludendorf said:
this is what you say for a accredited class.
for a class like the one you described, ie candle making, "very nice, Next!"

I propose that it doesn't matter whether it's credited or not.



:cow:
 
stilleto said:
thats what I'm wondering, and why i noted that its a non credit course. I really don't want to give her extra help... she's so far from being good, or even acceptable, that at best she'd be recreational at it and she might as well be horrible and do it recreationally.

I can't sing. not a note. if i took a class and kept going and going, i don't know if i'd want the teacher to really tell me how bad I am, or just say "keep working on those scales... NEXT!"

so far, i give her advice and try to be as encouraging as possible. she might be getting worse though.

if someone is trying hard, even if they fucking suck, I'm not gonna be the one to wreck that feeling...ignorance is satisfying
 
Ludendorf said:
if someone is trying hard, even if they fucking suck, I'm not gonna be the one to wreck that feeling...ignorance is satisfying

thank you...
:)
thats really the answer I was hoping for.
 
say you have your team of 10-11 year old boys
it's the first practice and none of the kids have played organized football before
no matter how much he tries the slow fat kid will never be a good or even average wide receiver
you're the coach
 
Ludendorf said:
if someone is trying hard, even if they fucking suck, I'm not gonna be the one to wreck that feeling...ignorance is satisfying

If someone keeps lying to themselves, it takes a bigger person to point it out than to stand by and ignore. That bigger person is called a teacher.

HTH



:cow:
 
samoth said:
If someone keeps lying to themselves, it takes a bigger person to point it out than to stand by and ignore. That bigger person is called a teacher.

HTH



:cow:

not nessecairly bor, esp at younger levels.
if little johnny is putting forth an honest effort, no teacher worth a piss would make a frank comment like "you suck son"
they would pat him on the head and say good job.
 
4everhung said:
say you have your team of 10-11 year old boys
it's the first practice and none of the kids have played organized football before
no matter how much he tries the slow fat kid will never be a good or even average wide receiver
you're the coach

except these are adults and its not a competition.
 
Ludendorf said:
not nessecairly bor, esp at younger levels.
if little johnny is putting forth an honest effort, no teacher worth a piss would make a frank comment like "you suck son"
they would pat him on the head and say good job.

I've spent over 100 hours volunteer teaching at a charter school. These kids had no idea what they were capable of -- and one big reason was that teachers (and parents) were never honest with them.

Kinda like in parenting (in which I have zero experience, BTW) where they call it "tough love" or something to that effect. Hell, how many times do we read a post about some kid wanting to juice to look like Ronnie or Dorian?

You must see yourself clearly to see what you need to change.




:cow:
 
stilleto said:
except these are adults and its not a competition.

All the more reason to be straight up and honest with them, yet maintaining the encouragement innate to any teacher.




:cow:
 
samoth said:
All the more reason to be straight up and honest with them, yet maintaining the encouragement innate to any teacher.




:cow:

thank you.
i'm without a doubt encouraging. i always find something to compliment, although its not usually easy.
i've been getting more and more honest, because its so frustrating to give her advice and watch it not be taken.
My next step is to say "That really wasn't good. do this, this, this, and this and try again."
she takes the course for fun and because she enjoys it... i'm afraid of crushing her love of the hobby.
 
stilleto said:
except these are adults and its not a competition.
all the more reason for you to find her a position
her efforts taken in the context of the background you provided,reveals she wants to succeed at "something"
help her find that something
 
samoth said:
All the more reason to be straight up and honest with them, yet maintaining the encouragement innate to any teacher.




:cow:
I hadn't gotten to page 2(i.e. this post) when I made my reply
 
4everhung said:
all the more reason for you to find her a position
her efforts taken in the context of the background you provided,reveals she wants to succeed at "something"
help her find that something
i teach one thing. its clearly not what she's good at. its not up to me to find out what she IS good at. this is like an adult ed course, not something more serious.
 
we have time still before wootoom gets here and suggests teaching her to suck some cawk
and I won't even say it teach
 
I have to agree with telling them "Next". You have to consider the valuable time you're spending on this person - time you could be using to focus on the people who are actually benefiting and learning from your teachings. Not to mention the effort you are expending for basically nothing but a "feel good" which this person could be getting from some other forum that they might actually grasp. I think you'll feel better if you stop wasting your time and theirs. The current situation is bothering you for a good reason.
 
2dagym said:
I have to agree with telling them "Next". You have to consider the valuable time you're spending on this person - time you could be using to focus on the people who are actually benefiting and learning from your teachings. Not to mention the effort you are expending for basically nothing but a "feel good" which this person could be getting from some other forum that they might actually grasp. I think you'll feel better if you stop wasting your time and theirs. The current situation is bothering you for a good reason.

so make her feel good and say 'great' and move onto working with the people who are really good? or should I tell her she's got a long way to go?
 
If she's hot, do her.

I dont see whats so hard about this? :confused:

I work with a physicist, samoth, I could kick his ass - fyi.
 
stilleto said:
so make her feel good and say 'great' and move onto working with the people who are really good? or should I tell her she's got a long way to go?
you either have samoth and I on ignore
or you're thinking about it
 
stilleto said:
so make her feel good and say 'great' and move onto working with the people who are really good? or should I tell her she's got a long way to go?

depends on what the hobby is. If it's sweater making 101...make her feel like she's doing a decent job but needs more practice.

If it's Kinesiology 101 and she can't tell adduction from abduction..tell her to take sweater making 101.
 
she wants to be artistic and creative right
find her a job in a bakery decorating cakes
I'm serious too
 
4everhung said:
you either have samoth and I on ignore
or you're thinking about it

i am thinking about it, but your advice was to help her find what she's good at???

i don't get paid for that.
you both feel i should tell her she's no good and there's no hope, right?
 
UA_Iron said:
I work with a physicist, samoth, I could kick his ass - fyi.

I've found most physicists to be of smaller stature and less musculature than their engineering counterparts. No doubt the credited step up in the evolutionary chain, considering engineers do all our physical labour and gruntwork. Often, physicists and physics majors alike liken their engineering counterparts to that of the cro-magnon of days past.




:cow:
 
samoth said:
I've found most physicists to be of smaller stature and less musculature than their engineering counterparts. No doubt the credited step up in the evolutionary chain, considering engineers do all our physical labour and gruntwork. Often, physicists and physics majors alike liken their engineering counterparts to that of the cro-magnon of days past.
:cow:

we're both slaves to the MBA ultimately
 
stilleto said:
i am thinking about it, but your advice was to help her find what she's good at???

i don't get paid for that.
you both feel i should tell her she's no good and there's no hope, right?
i expected much better from you
rewards often don't come measured in dollars
obviously you care or you wouldn't have posted your predicament
 
stilleto said:
i am thinking about it, but your advice was to help her find what she's good at???

i don't get paid for that.
you both feel i should tell her she's no good and there's no hope, right?
use skill better than that
deliver the message,but clothe it in layers of other options
but don't be transparent
no matter how limited you find the person
they're smart enough
 
4everhung said:
i expected much better from you
rewards often don't come measured in dollars
obviously you care or you wouldn't have posted your predicament

i care about what I teach. if she'd be a better basketweaver, then she should go weave them, but I'm not her therapist or her life coach.

my quandry is, because she's taking this course for enjoyment, not to graduate and hopefully not to make a real living at it, i don't know if i should continue to encourage her or tell her the truth about how aweful she is.

It seems cruel either way.
 
Okay, it's an uncredited course ... (and I'm SERIOUSLY NON-PC), but I always believe honesty is the best policy ... what's wrong with asking her to meet with you after or before class one day and flat out asking her, "do you enjoy this class? Do you enjoy this work? and why do you want to do this? Cause you know, you suck?" Okay, I advise you NOT to be QUITE so blunt mind you, but ... a child doesn't need to be Van Gogh to enjoy coloring, either, you know what I mean??? It would be cruel to mislead her, but letting her know where her talents do or do not lie is just being fair.

I was in a very good art class in high school ... I dropped it in my last year because I thought I needed more "marketable" skills. My teacher wouldn't tell me if I had the talent or personality to find any form of success in the art field and that always pissed me off ... I would have appreciated an impartial assessment to better enable me to make an informed decision.

IMO, if she's doing it for her own pleasure, does it matter if she's good or not? If she likes ASPECTS of it maybe you could point her towards a class that would suit her skills better ...

Do you have a supervisor sort of person that you could bounce this off of? This can't be an uncommon situation ... maybe there is some sort of departmental policy that could involve a prorated refund or admission into another class ...
 
if you're a teacher you teach regardless of your area
granted it's not wise for an art teacher to advise on a course of healing
such as a physician removing their spleen
but you can heal other wounds
 
musclemom said:
Okay, it's an uncredited course ... (and I'm SERIOUSLY NON-PC), but I always believe honesty is the best policy ... what's wrong with asking her to meet with you after or before class one day and flat out asking her, "do you enjoy this class? Do you enjoy this work? and why do you want to do this? Cause you know, you suck?" Okay, I advise you NOT to be QUITE so blunt mind you, but ... a child doesn't need to be Van Gogh to enjoy coloring, either, you know what I mean??? It would be cruel to mislead her, but letting her know where her talents do or do not lie is just being fair.

I was in a very good art class in high school ... I dropped it in my last year because I thought I needed more "marketable" skills. My teacher wouldn't tell me if I had the talent or personality to find any form of success in the art field and that always pissed me off ... I would have appreciated an impartial assessment to better enable me to make an informed decision.

IMO, if she's doing it for her own pleasure, does it matter if she's good or not? If she likes ASPECTS of it maybe you could point her towards a class that would suit her skills better ...

Do you have a supervisor sort of person that you could bounce this off of? This can't be an uncommon situation ... maybe there is some sort of departmental policy that could involve a prorated refund or admission into another class ...

There's really no superior, but there are others in the same position.
if i understood your post- the first part says be honest and politely tell her she sucks.
the second part says if she's doing it for her own pleasure, then it doesn't matter if she's good or not.
which makes me wonder if i should even tell her she sucks.
I have talked to her privately and tried to be encouraging, but honest ("what you did today was better, but i'm not sure if you're understanding this. I want you to try to do it xxx way next time and we'll see if its not better." Then next time comes and its the same. I tell her its the same and she's still making all the same mistakes and she says "no i'm not. i thought this was much better." i say, "its getting there, but not yet", and the next week, its worse than ever.)
i agree with both. This is a workshop. Like improvisational acting. There are people there who could make money at it, there are people who are good but its just fun for them, and then her- its cathartic, but she sucks.
 
samoth said:
I've found most physicists to be of smaller stature and less musculature than their engineering counterparts. No doubt the credited step up in the evolutionary chain, considering engineers do all our physical labour and gruntwork. Often, physicists and physics majors alike liken their engineering counterparts to that of the cro-magnon of days past.




:cow:
you have much body hair?
 
IMO she's paying her money to learn something. She gets a smidgen of your time, like the other students. It's up to you to teach it to the best of your ability. Encouragement & honesty are the only things she needs.
 
stilleto said:
There's really no superior, but there are others in the same position.
if i understood your post- the first part says be honest and politely tell her she sucks.
the second part says if she's doing it for her own pleasure, then it doesn't matter if she's good or not.
which makes me wonder if i should even tell her she sucks.
I have talked to her privately and tried to be encouraging, but honest ("what you did today was better, but i'm not sure if you're understanding this. I want you to try to do it xxx way next time and we'll see if its not better." Then next time comes and its the same. I tell her its the same and she's still making all the same mistakes and she says "no i'm not. i thought this was much better." i say, "its getting there, but not yet", and the next week, its worse than ever.)
i agree with both. This is a workshop. Like improvisational acting. There are people there who could make money at it, there are people who are good but its just fun for them, and then her- its cathartic, but she sucks.
I discount much of this because in your introduction you revealed her drive to success in your opinion is due to her previous failures. You even named 2-3.
Her psyche's success isn't based on succeeding on 'basket weaving' or what have you.
 
HiDnGoD said:
IMO she's paying her money to learn something. She gets a smidgen of your time, like the other students. It's up to you to teach it to the best of your ability. Encouragement & honesty are the only things she needs.

thanks.
i've been giving her more encouragment than honesty because the truth is, there's not one good thing about her work.
 
stilleto said:
There's really no superior, but there are others in the same position.
if i understood your post- the first part says be honest and politely tell her she sucks.
the second part says if she's doing it for her own pleasure, then it doesn't matter if she's good or not.
Yeah, I'm sort of ... fragmented tonight ...

You got it:

1. Be honest, don't deceive her to be polite.

2. If she's doing it for her own pleasure, and not interfereing with anyone else's progress, then it's all good, right?

3. If she is deluding herself, then she really needs a reality check.
 
"mental problems"
"can't keep a job"
"can't maintain a relationship"
"can't keep shelter"
and the salient point to me is she want's so bad to achieve
 
stilleto said:
You are a teacher of a non credited course. Its creative- like acting or singing.
There's someone in the class who has lead a sad life-she obviously has some mental problems that prevent her from keeping a job for very long or maintaining relationships. She's been kicked out of apartments before too, but she looks like a nice, normal, well adjusted woman.

and whatever you're teaching... she's HORRIBLE at. She laughingly bad, but keeps coming to class and trying, listening to the advice but not taking it.

would you tell her how bad she is? continue to try to help her get better, even though she'll OBVIOUSLY never be a professional, or just say, "very nice... NEXT!"
?
if you say she has some mental problems, and cant keep a job, then perhaps she has some sort of learning disability or something or some cognitive deficits. if this is true,. i doubt that you telling her she sucks would do any good at all. the truth of the matter is, it isnt going to change anything about how well she does in your workshop. she will still suck, but add to that you may hurt her feelings/motivation/self-esteem. although, if you tell her she sucks, maybe she'll quit and you wont have to worry about her anymore.
 
4everhung said:
I discount much of this because in your introduction you revealed her drive to success in your opinion is due to her previous failures. You even named 2-3.
Her psyche's success isn't based on succeeding on 'basket weaving' or what have you.

well i teach one course.
she takes it, she sucks.
i don't give a shit about her past life, except that i know she's not the most stable person and i don't want to bruise her already delicate self.

but she's wasting time persuing this hobby. unless she just enjoys it and nothing more, in which case, I should just let her do her thing.

i guess I should ask what her intentions are and take it from there.
 
quit trying to fit the square peg in the round hole
there's many square holes available for a person armed with determination
finding the determination is the hard part
fitting it is relatively easy
 
stilleto said:
so make her feel good and say 'great' and move onto working with the people who are really good? or should I tell her she's got a long way to go?

Sorry, I wasn't clear. No. I would say "next" but without saying the "very nice" part.

I suggest to find a nice way to tell her that even though she is working hard, she's just not getting it. Encourage her to continue her path of learning, however, suggest she consider taking a course in another field that interests her. That other field of interest just might be her calling. If so, she'll may just thank you for opening her eyes.

She should pursue other pastures because she is wasting her time in yours and you are so wasting your energy trying to get through to her. I'm sure it's frustrating for you.
 
stilleto said:
well i teach one course.
she takes it, she sucks.
i don't give a shit about her past life, except that i know she's not the most stable person and i don't want to bruise her already delicate self.

but she's wasting time persuing this hobby. unless she just enjoys it and nothing more, in which case, I should just let her do her thing.

i guess I should ask what her intentions are and take it from there.
your choice of terms is weaker than her drive
 
stilleto said:
You are a teacher of a non credited course. Its creative- like acting or singing.
There's someone in the class who has lead a sad life-she obviously has some mental problems that prevent her from keeping a job for very long or maintaining relationships. She's been kicked out of apartments before too, but she looks like a nice, normal, well adjusted woman.

and whatever you're teaching... she's HORRIBLE at. She laughingly bad, but keeps coming to class and trying, listening to the advice but not taking it.

would you tell her how bad she is? continue to try to help her get better, even though she'll OBVIOUSLY never be a professional, or just say, "very nice... NEXT!"
?


If she's that hopeless, have her put in a sp.ed. class.
 
Smurfy said:
if you say she has some mental problems, and cant keep a job, then perhaps she has some sort of learning disability or something or some cognitive deficits. if this is true,. i doubt that you telling her she sucks would do any good at all. the truth of the matter is, it isnt going to change anything about how well she does in your workshop. she will still suck, but add to that you may hurt her feelings/motivation/self-esteem. although, if you tell her she sucks, maybe she'll quit and you wont have to worry about her anymore.

she doesn't have a learning problem, i'd bet money she has borderline personality disorder though.
i'd feel bad if i hurt her, even if its the truth. i'll probably just try to tell her how to get better, but not spend much time on it, since it goes out the other ear anyway.
 
stilleto said:
she doesn't have a learning problem, i'd bet money she has borderline personality disorder though.
i'd feel bad if i hurt her, even if its the truth. i'll probably just try to tell her how to get better, but not spend much time on it, since it goes out the other ear anyway.
exactly. dont over estimate your impact on her abilities. all you can do is teach her to the degree you teach others. if she doesnt "get it" or pick up on the skills, I'm assuming that's ok. you said it's an elective type course and the course material is what would be considered a hobby anyway. bottom line is, if she sucks at basket-weaving, or whatever it is you're teaching, it's not a reflection on you.
 
stilleto said:
she doesn't have a learning problem, i'd bet money she has borderline personality disorder though.
i'd feel bad if i hurt her, even if its the truth. i'll probably just try to tell her how to get better, but not spend much time on it, since it goes out the other ear anyway.
most everybody has a personality disorder
you speak as if you're discussing an animal
 
4everhung said:
most everybody has a personality disorder
you speak as if you're discussing an animal
most everyone does not have borderline personality disorder.
I'd take your advice, but I have yet to understand what it is.


Borderline personality disorder
The main feature of borderline personality disorder (BPD) is a pervasive pattern of instability in interpersonal relationships, self-image and emotions. People with borderline personality disorder are also usually very impulsive and occurs in most by early adulthood. The instable pattern of interacting with others has persisted for years and is usually closely related to the person's self-image and early social interactions. The pattern is present in a variety of settings (e.g., not just at work or home) and often is accompanied by a similar lability (fluctuating back and forth, sometimes in a quick manner) in a person's emotions and feelings. Relationships and the person's emotion may often be characterized as being shallow.

A person with this disorder will also often exhibit impulsive behaviors and have a majority of the following symptoms:

Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment
A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation
Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self
Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating)
Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior
Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days)
Chronic feelings of emptiness
Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights)
Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms
 
stilleto said:
most everyone does not have borderline personality disorder.
I'd take your advice, but I have yet to understand what it is.


Borderline personality disorder
The main feature of borderline personality disorder (BPD) is a pervasive pattern of instability in interpersonal relationships, self-image and emotions. People with borderline personality disorder are also usually very impulsive and occurs in most by early adulthood. The instable pattern of interacting with others has persisted for years and is usually closely related to the person's self-image and early social interactions. The pattern is present in a variety of settings (e.g., not just at work or home) and often is accompanied by a similar lability (fluctuating back and forth, sometimes in a quick manner) in a person's emotions and feelings. Relationships and the person's emotion may often be characterized as being shallow.

A person with this disorder will also often exhibit impulsive behaviors and have a majority of the following symptoms:

Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment
A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation
Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self
Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating)
Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior
Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days)
Chronic feelings of emptiness
Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights)
Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms

Does this apply to automatic gates that are supposed to open when you swipe your card? If so, then I may need to have a talk with my Doctor.
 
stilleto said:
lol
i'm the teacher. thats where I see myself once a week, cause thats where I am.
:)

LOL I see myself as the student. I mean I think I WAS that student once, in an acting class.
 
4everhung said:
you have much body hair?

No, I shave it all off in an attempt to fit in with the physicists yet am still able to 'go ape' and woo the cute female engineering majors with massive and fur-covered pectorals.

(isn't this a profile question?)




:cow:
 
stilleto said:
You are a teacher of a non credited course. Its creative- like acting or to class and trying, listening to the advice but not taking it.

would you tell her how bad she is? continue to try to help her get better, even though she'll OBVIOUSLY never be a professional, or just say, "very nice... NEXT!"
?

I would just decapitate her with a juiced up left hook.
 
stilleto said:
most everyone does not have borderline personality disorder.
I'd take your advice, but I have yet to understand what it is.


Borderline personality disorder
The main feature of borderline personality disorder (BPD) is a pervasive pattern of instability in interpersonal relationships, self-image and emotions. People with borderline personality disorder are also usually very impulsive and occurs in most by early adulthood. The instable pattern of interacting with others has persisted for years and is usually closely related to the person's self-image and early social interactions. The pattern is present in a variety of settings (e.g., not just at work or home) and often is accompanied by a similar lability (fluctuating back and forth, sometimes in a quick manner) in a person's emotions and feelings. Relationships and the person's emotion may often be characterized as being shallow.

A person with this disorder will also often exhibit impulsive behaviors and have a majority of the following symptoms:

Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment
A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation
Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self
Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating)
Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior
Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days)
Chronic feelings of emptiness
Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights)
Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms
using the entire size of your reply
youre most defintely BPD
or whatever
 
Well, the teacher's job is to teach, so I would say that I would just do my best to get her at HER personal best, which may not be that good, but it's good to help her stretch her efforts. So, constructive criticism is in order, I believe.
 
stilleto said:
you act? or just a hobby?
btw, can you put back my favorite avatar please? thanks.

The only acting I do now is acting interested in meetings. Oh, and I do a pretty mean Strong Bad impression. My The Cheat isn't too bad, either.

What avatar?
 
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