What to do?

[van_wilder]

I would suggest dropping down to 10% bf then bulking up.

Mr.X

Maybe some help with the diet to do this??? i'm hesitant because i don't want to lose too much size, being so small for a long time has given me issues

VW

 

[krishna]

thanks for the input... i'm 25, been at it for 4 years or so... and i do feel as if the growth has definatley slowed... i've gained over 60lbs since i've started so i'm wondering if i'm nearing a genetic plateau?
VW

I'd do test e 500 mg/wk for ten weeks. Add some a-dex to keep the bloat off. Eat clean and train right (don't forget cardio), and you should make some nice progress. I wouldn't jack up your calories for a massive bulker because you do still have some bf to lose. Just keep it clean and steady. I think you're ready bro.

 

[van_wilder]

I'd do test e 500 mg/wk for ten weeks. Add some a-dex to keep the bloat off. Eat clean and train right (don't forget cardio), and you should make some nice progress. I wouldn't jack up your calories for a massive bulker because you do still have some bf to lose. Just keep it clean and steady. I think you're ready bro.

really? 500... i wanted to start off small, i've gotten advice from a competitor who feels strongly that you should try to gain off low doses for as long as possible as later on it will be a lot easier to gain off higher ones... not sure if there is any validity to this theory though.
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[Joe Stenson]

I would suggest dropping down to 10% bf then bulking up.

Assuming we're talking a REAL 10% here (not your standard "internet 10%", which everyone claims to be at or under), I can't say I agree. While it might be optimal if he could drop that low before starting, some people have a tough time getting anywhere near that %, especially without losing size. If you're not naturally lean it's going to be a LONG road dieting naturally to 10%, unless you're willing to sacrifice boatloads of muscle.

really? 500... i wanted to start off small, i've gotten advice from a competitor who feels strongly that you should try to gain off low doses for as long as possible as later on it will be a lot easier to gain off higher ones... not sure if there is any validity to this theory though.
VW

500's a pretty standard first cycle bro. Could you gain off 250/week better than you could naturally? I'm sure you could, but most people including myself don't see the point.

 

[krishna]

I did 250 - 375 of sust for 10 weeks for my first cycle and I gained 28 lbs. I was eating 5000+ cals a day though and ended up having to trim fat off afterwards, but I have maintained 18 pounds solid. If you want to start small, by all means do so. I know from experience that it works well.

 

[littleb]

i think you would be ok to start, as posted above though just dont do a big bulker. my first cycle i had extra bf, i added about 15lbs when all was said and done, and lost a little bf. just eat realllll clean..

 

[van_wilder]

i think you would be ok to start, as posted above though just dont do a big bulker. my first cycle i had extra bf, i added about 15lbs when all was said and done, and lost a little bf. just eat realllll clean..

did you lose bf on cycle? or after cycle? what are opinions on a 12 weeker, bulking for 8 and cutting for the last 4?
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[krishna]

It's not really efficient to try to bulk and cut on one cycle of test. I think your best bet is when the clean diet, and slow, steady gains.

 

[needtogetaas]

I was wondering about this.... is it fairly common???? any more experiences like this? i'm wondering if i just buld while on but eat REALLY clean. I've had a really hard time gaining when i eat too clean, and i've gained the weight by throwing in some "bad" foods on occassion.
VW

I allways lose bf on anny cycle.I thout every one did.

 

[van_wilder]

I allways lose bf on anny cycle.I thout every one did.

so do you think i can go ahead and start a cycle then and try to keep it really clean?
VW