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What is love?
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tuc biscuit
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hmmmmmmmm dunno...........
...........my idea would be wanting to work it out and get back together when it is going really badly for a period
...........my idea would be wanting to work it out and get back together when it is going really badly for a period
KillahBee
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jerkbox said:
Just being a dick here, but - If someone said "Do you always smell?", and you said, "I am naturally smelly - I'm part Mexican (or African American)" we would have a riot on the board. Just thought I would point out some obvious hypocrisy.
Now go back to eating, fattie mcfatstain.
TheProject
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havoc said:
You paint a lovely picture.
JarHed
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1. A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and solicitude toward a
person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition of attractive
qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness.
2. A feeling of intense desire and attraction toward a person with whom one
is disposed to make a pair; the emotion of sex and romance.
3. An intense emotional attachment, as for a pet or treasured object.
A person who is the object of deep or intense affection or attraction;
beloved. Often used as a term of endearment.
4. An intense emotional attachment, as for a pet or treasured object.
5. A person who is the object of deep or intense affection or attraction;
beloved. Often used as a term of endearment.
Bottom line....."LOVE SUCKS!"
person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition of attractive
qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness.
2. A feeling of intense desire and attraction toward a person with whom one
is disposed to make a pair; the emotion of sex and romance.
3. An intense emotional attachment, as for a pet or treasured object.
A person who is the object of deep or intense affection or attraction;
beloved. Often used as a term of endearment.
4. An intense emotional attachment, as for a pet or treasured object.
5. A person who is the object of deep or intense affection or attraction;
beloved. Often used as a term of endearment.
Bottom line....."LOVE SUCKS!"
KillahBee
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JarHed said:1. A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and solicitude toward a
person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition of attractive
qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness.
2. A feeling of intense desire and attraction toward a person with whom one
is disposed to make a pair; the emotion of sex and romance.
3. An intense emotional attachment, as for a pet or treasured object.
A person who is the object of deep or intense affection or attraction;
beloved. Often used as a term of endearment.
4. An intense emotional attachment, as for a pet or treasured object.
5. A person who is the object of deep or intense affection or attraction;
beloved. Often used as a term of endearment.
Bottom line....."LOVE SUCKS!"
6. An excuse for people to lose all common sense.
GoldenDelicious
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a treasure
TheProject
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Love is all around you.
Love is knocking outside your door.
Love is knocking outside your door.
Y_lifter
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Love Is Killing Me
Gotta have you
Working over time
Does it matter
If I cross the line
I'm addicted
Keeps me up all night
I don't care if
It's wrong or right
Do you know, does it show what I really want
Do you know, do you know
Is it love that I feel for you
Tell me, what am I supposed to do
Can't you see what it does to me
Confusion is poisoning my mind
Love is killing me
Love is killing me
Gotta have you
Working over time
Does it matter
If I cross the line
I'm addicted
Keeps me up all night
I don't care if
It's wrong or right
Do you know, does it show what I really want
Do you know, do you know
Is it love that I feel for you
Tell me, what am I supposed to do
Can't you see what it does to me
Confusion is poisoning my mind
Love is killing me
Love is killing me
strongsmartsexy
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Love is a verb
Love is a decision made daily
"in love" is a falicy, it doesn't exist
Love is a decision made daily
"in love" is a falicy, it doesn't exist
TheProject
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Love bites, love bleeds
It's bringin' me to my knees
It's bringin' me to my knees
FreeballinDC
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What if you never know what love is?
What if you go through your whole life without having deep intimate feelings for another person?
What if you go through your whole life without having deep intimate feelings for another person?
FreeballinDC
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KillahBee said:
We probably have.
Do you feel you don't have it in you to love somebody?
I feel as if I have alot to offer, but nobody is willing to get into what I have.
For the other guy, it seems it's all about playing around and fucking and getting off, and no real emotion is involved.
Everytime I see a couple walking down the street, hand in hand, my heart breaks.
plornive
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Love is a social phenomenon with many gradations of quality.
The highest quality love is the kind where the deception is the hardest to grasp and the outcome is more positive than the lack thereof, taking into account the unquantifiable value thereof.
The lowest quality love is plebeian romanticism mixed with a healthy serving of fear and a whole lota stagnation.
Both are necessary.
The highest quality love is the kind where the deception is the hardest to grasp and the outcome is more positive than the lack thereof, taking into account the unquantifiable value thereof.
The lowest quality love is plebeian romanticism mixed with a healthy serving of fear and a whole lota stagnation.
Both are necessary.
KillahBee
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FreeballinDC said:
LMAO @ "We probably have"! No, I definitely have it in me to love, but a) it isn't the type of love that "women" my age expect or are used to and b) I really haven't had the need to offer it for a long time now. Too much drama and bullshit that just doesn't fit into my lifestyle.
nofatchicks
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Love is wiping someones ass if they were in a terrible accident and couldn't do it themselves.
FreeballinDC
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KillahBee said:
But do you feel you'll know it when it's time to go full force with it? It'll just happen?
Once your child falls asleep in your arms, and you sit quietly holding them for what could have been hours, or a minute, or a second, your heart strains your ribs hoping they will grow to know this exact feeling - while you hope that they will never change and that this minute will last forever.
Listening to them breath. Scanning over the face with your eyes, afraid that if you move- or stir- or look away - that you will lose this moment. That in that one blink of an eye everthing makes sense and at the same time the mystery of it all overwhelms you - how could you, in the magnitude of your insignifigance - have had anything to do with something so perfect, so beautiful, so fragile, so little.
How could this little person love me.
Listening to them breath. Scanning over the face with your eyes, afraid that if you move- or stir- or look away - that you will lose this moment. That in that one blink of an eye everthing makes sense and at the same time the mystery of it all overwhelms you - how could you, in the magnitude of your insignifigance - have had anything to do with something so perfect, so beautiful, so fragile, so little.
How could this little person love me.
PHATchik
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Love is a lot of things. It's a feeling, an emotion, a sensation, and a lot more. And yes, it's a choice. You can choose to allow love in or you can put up walls and close it out. I've done both. Both choices can be the right thing to do, depending on the situation and the person.
After a lot of thought, I've come to one simple conclusion concerning it...to each his own.
After a lot of thought, I've come to one simple conclusion concerning it...to each his own.
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Ulcasterdropout
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I don't have a clue myself........Gordon Gekko said:
plornive
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Looked at in evolutionary terms:
Single celled organisms think "Metabolize, Survive, Reproduce"
Bats probably think "Eat flies, Stay in dark areas, Mate"
Monkeys walk around saying "I gotta fuckin' eat, survive, fuck!"
Humans ask on message boards, "what is love?" and people respond with complex social ideas and ideals. It's obvious that, to some extent, "love" is a little white lie some of us tell ourselves to save us from the beast within who wants to eat, survive, fuck, and perhaps kill. One might say that love is the super-ego, imposed during childhood, which replaces basic desires with object cathexi. Or, viewed from a more evolutionary perspective, love is a white lie which is partially biologically innate, and partially socially imposed.
I am of the amateur opinion that it is mostly socially imposed (not in a biologically innate way), and if we didn't live in such a complex society we would not need such a complex concept of "love". Life might be a whole lot more satisfying for some people.
Single celled organisms think "Metabolize, Survive, Reproduce"
Bats probably think "Eat flies, Stay in dark areas, Mate"
Monkeys walk around saying "I gotta fuckin' eat, survive, fuck!"
Humans ask on message boards, "what is love?" and people respond with complex social ideas and ideals. It's obvious that, to some extent, "love" is a little white lie some of us tell ourselves to save us from the beast within who wants to eat, survive, fuck, and perhaps kill. One might say that love is the super-ego, imposed during childhood, which replaces basic desires with object cathexi. Or, viewed from a more evolutionary perspective, love is a white lie which is partially biologically innate, and partially socially imposed.
I am of the amateur opinion that it is mostly socially imposed (not in a biologically innate way), and if we didn't live in such a complex society we would not need such a complex concept of "love". Life might be a whole lot more satisfying for some people.
Read my signature from the bible.
Love is a choice. Such as choosing to love someone no matter what they have done to you. Whether the perceived injustice is real or imagined.
Very few if any of us can have that kind of love. Especially when concerning a spouse. I found that out this weekend. I do not have what it takes. I would like to, but reality is, I don't.
Love is a choice. Such as choosing to love someone no matter what they have done to you. Whether the perceived injustice is real or imagined.
Very few if any of us can have that kind of love. Especially when concerning a spouse. I found that out this weekend. I do not have what it takes. I would like to, but reality is, I don't.
Aerojaxx
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...You've hit on something....in the bible God said simply..."Love me..."chesty said:
it wasn't a request but rather a commandment...."Love me"
love is not accidental...anyone who has been in a relationship for any length of time must admit that you have to "will" yourself to love someone...you must make up you mind...I am going to love this person...no matter....
Love is not stingy or jealous....
btw very well said Chefwide.....
BradG
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Chef, that was wonderful! I hope to have that feeling for a child of mine one day.
And my two cents.....I believe love is both a feeling and an action/decision. True love, imho, requires the latter but lends the former at times. True love is sacraficial and thus requires decision/action.
And my two cents.....I believe love is both a feeling and an action/decision. True love, imho, requires the latter but lends the former at times. True love is sacraficial and thus requires decision/action.
PIGEON-RAT
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it's a chemical addiction.
http://www.economist.com/printedition/PrinterFriendly.cfm?Story_ID=2424049
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plornive
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That idea is too reductionistic. You can't reduce love to neurochemistry any more than you can reduce chaos theory to 'numbers' or word processing to 'logic gates'. Love is partly neurochemistry but mostly a mutating social construction - social software running on human machines (including neurochemistry).PIGEON-RAT said:
vinylgroover
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Love is a chick who is into ass to mouth.
plornive
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Humans did, in fact, evolve in a way which nurtured social relationships. This means that social interaction is innate... it is "assumed" by biological evolution. Thus love cannot be reduced, simply, to genetics.PERFECTWORLD said:
Maybe a child raised in isolation would, foremost, be missing his relationship with his mother/women and his father/men. He would not develop a gender identity and might create some things in his mind to replace these... I don't really know.
Also, the present-day ideas of love, with ethics, ideas, and ways of life... are so distinct from tribal customs. Humans have created a new sort of evolution of ideas, which has transformed tribal sexual/emotional/gender/power relationships into "love". Maybe we could do some kind of socio-analysis of it, but I don't really have the background to do that.
plornive
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To add:plornive said:
Tribal sexual/emotional/gender/power relationships could be viewed as biologically innate, since evolution "assumed" the existence of such relationships.
The mostly biologically non-innate component is what makes us even define such a term as "love". The "new sort of evolution of ideas" that I speak of is mostly biologically non-innate because: Ideas are created via communication/thought and alteration/combination, and the ideas which impose themselves on people to the highest degree thrive in society, while other ideas dwindle. Just as genes are "selfish", in that the genes that can survive in the greatest numbers will make up the greatest numbers in later generations, regardless of those genes' effects on the well-being of their carriers (usually, however, genes that survive well cause their carriers to survive well), to an even larger extent ideas are "selfish" in that they do not "care" about the well being of their carriers (humans, genes). The use of communication/language enjoyed by humans completely overtook biological evolution. Thus, at least some portion of the evolution of ideas is biologically non-innate - totally new and "synthetic".
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FreeballinDC
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Good for you.
I sometimes wonder if I'll know it without a 2x4 hitting my head.
I sometimes wonder if I'll know it without a 2x4 hitting my head.
Robert Jan
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"Love is when you think you know what it is"
"Love is the illusion that ideal and reality meet"
"Love is the most irrational form of decadence"
"Love is the delusion that one woman differs from the next"
"Love is the illusion that ideal and reality meet"
"Love is the most irrational form of decadence"
"Love is the delusion that one woman differs from the next"
There is the falling in love experience, which has been shown is not an emotion but more akin to the mating call of a couple of animals in the wild. People fall in love, it lasts about two years max, then they fall out of love. This aspect has nothing to do with feelings.
At the point you fall out of love you make a concious decision to either love this person (feelings) or not. Once that biophysical high has worn off you will start to see the other person for who they really are. A slob, abusive, cheater, liar, etc or as a truly wonderful person. And hopefully you will consider all of this before choosing to love this person any further.
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The problem with society today is that they equate "falling" in love as a true emotion. Which any one with a few years of age knows to be fleeting and short lived. From a few months to 1 or 2 years. It is one reason that the divorce rate is so high! No one truly understands what true love is. They base it all on a false notion of being in love. You fall in, you fall out that simple.
True love is sacrificial. There will be plenty of times where 1 spouse will not feel like loving the other, but they make the choice to do it any way. Everyday we have to choose to love the other person. That is what true love is.
At the point you fall out of love you make a concious decision to either love this person (feelings) or not. Once that biophysical high has worn off you will start to see the other person for who they really are. A slob, abusive, cheater, liar, etc or as a truly wonderful person. And hopefully you will consider all of this before choosing to love this person any further.
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The problem with society today is that they equate "falling" in love as a true emotion. Which any one with a few years of age knows to be fleeting and short lived. From a few months to 1 or 2 years. It is one reason that the divorce rate is so high! No one truly understands what true love is. They base it all on a false notion of being in love. You fall in, you fall out that simple.
True love is sacrificial. There will be plenty of times where 1 spouse will not feel like loving the other, but they make the choice to do it any way. Everyday we have to choose to love the other person. That is what true love is.
Robert Jan
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Chesty you're only partly right. The feelings of longer term relationships have been connected to chemicals too.
Robert Jan
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Love is like the salad dressing of life. You don't need it, and it makes you fat.
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The Shadow
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Patience
Understanding
Work
Putting the other person's wants and nneds ahead of your oen, no matter how difficult or painfull
..and the ability to live with those little things about the other person that just irk the living shit out of you.
Understanding
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Putting the other person's wants and nneds ahead of your oen, no matter how difficult or painfull
..and the ability to live with those little things about the other person that just irk the living shit out of you.
PIGEON-RAT
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plornive said:
Love isn't a mutating social construction. It's always the same feeling. How people want to view it may mutate, but love is the result of physical matters in the brain. It's no coincidence that heartbreak feels incredibly similar to depression. They both depend on the action of serotonin in the brain. And anti-depressives will also reduce the capacity to love.
Viewing the chemistry behind much of our thoughts, actions, and feelings isn't overly reductionist. It doesn't devalue the importance of love whatsoever. But it surely can help the heartbroken realize what is gripping them.
TheProject
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Ya know, love is a happy time, all throughout the universe.
It's when the male part of the species goes to the female part of the species and says, "You wanna go on a date?" And then she says, "Well, yes, I'd like to go on a date." If you're lucky!
Then they go to a restraunt, and she orders something called a salad. And he gets a big piece of beef, that he eats.
And that, to me, ladies and gentlemen, is love. Kinda makes you cry.
It's when the male part of the species goes to the female part of the species and says, "You wanna go on a date?" And then she says, "Well, yes, I'd like to go on a date." If you're lucky!
Then they go to a restraunt, and she orders something called a salad. And he gets a big piece of beef, that he eats.
And that, to me, ladies and gentlemen, is love. Kinda makes you cry.
plornive
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I was about to agree with you and declare that we are talking about different things, but I'm not so sure.PIGEON-RAT said:
The satiation of hunger has been about the same for the last 10 thousand years. There's probably something regarding "love" which has remained neurochemically the same during that time, but I think this thing developed in the presence and interaction of social interaction. I also don't think we have always had a name for "love" and ideas are not feasibly measured on a neurochemical basis (they are "software"). I don't think our brains have innate machinery for computing "love": instead, "love" is an idea we have learned to implement on our brains. We may value "love" in part because it satisfies that fleeting part of "love" which has remained neurochemically the same for the last 10 thousand years.
My mathematical reasoning abilities seem innate, in some ways, but these abilities are ideas which I have learned from other people.
It's like you are saying that both psychology and sociology reduce to neurochemistry. These things can be described using neurochemistry in part (and social interaction, and environment, and...), but not explained.
I was tempted to say that you may be assuming that things were always the way they are right now, but I don't think you go for that fallacy. It is a common fallacy.
plornive
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The positive spin I can put on it is that:KillahBee said:Do you realize how horrible that actually sounds? Who the fuck would ever want to live like that? Sounds like a good old time. (obviously I am too pessimistic to even think about marriage or true love at this moment in time)
1) The person is looking out for you too,
2) The overall outcome is positive and not terribly stagnating
You might take pleasure in knowing that it is worthwhile to tolerate this other person. You might admit that it is nice to enjoy this other person's contrasting mind. The contrast is what does it...
