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What Happens When You Can't Defend Yourself?

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My reply to the issue of the greater likelihood of being shot by an ordinary citizen over a traffic dispute rather than another criminal is this:

Guns are out there right now in America. There is little or no measures to stop the average citizen from owning a gun right now. That means that anyone who really wants to can carry a gun wherever they go. So the issue again is one that we are already dealing with. Not everyone in this country is carrying guns in their cars or on their person right now. That's their right. However, unless the law decided to require all citizens to carry guns then your worry is not justified.

So the very question you posed about worrying whether or not you'd get shot over a traffic argument is the very reason you'd want to be pro gun...so that you'd have a reasonable way of defending yourself should some lunatic decide to open fire. (Remember, that should someone shoot at you, they have a 30 percent chance of hitting you...should they hit you with a bullet from a handgun you have a 60 percent chance of survival...so this means you would in all likelihood have a chance to get yourself armed in time to respond in self-defense.)

There have been a few places where gun ownership has been required. One such place is called Kennesaw, Georgia. It was mandated that all homeowners be required to own a gun. Several years ago it was like any other Atlanta suburb...with it's fair share of violent crime. Based on data already crime rates of all types have very significantly dropped in this city. Criminals are just not wanting to mess with citizens that can be reasonably assumed to be armed. That's a fact.

As far as a country being better off unarmed in the private sector, one need only take a look at the data in other countries such as Australia where guns have been outlawed in the private sector...the crime rates are growing exponentially. Of course, this is not a rule, but it does slant the scales in favor of the non-law abider.



The issue that law abiders do sometimes go berserk and use a gun in a criminal manner can be applied to any number of things: take cars for instance. they are the ultimate measure in personal freedom in the U.S. Yet every year thousands of people are killed as a result of drunk driving and reckless behavior than deaths attributed to gun violence. The dead people are just as dead no matter what the cause. But that certainly doesn't mean that we should outlaw cars or impose curfews as a result does it? So the case is being made (or it seems to me) that people are just not responsible enough to have any lattitude when it comes to personal freedom. I absolutely do not agree with this mentality. The media has sensationalized the actions of a few to reflect that of the masses and I for one see through this ploy.

As to the issue that one is more likely to be killed by a renegade citizen with an Uzi over a traffic dispute....here's the immediate solution...DON'T GET INTO ANY TRAFFIC DISPUTES! I'm a large sized individual and I even carry a gun for protection, but if someone wants to call me names or give me the finger or cut me off in traffic I let it slide: they have the right to feel however they want about me...I'm a bigger man than that and I'm not going to be controlled by other people. So I don't retaliate or fight about it or try to get even. I just let it slide. Now if someone physically threatens my family or what have you, then that's another matter and I'm well prepared to take counteractive measures.

The bottom line in my side of this debate is simple: what are you going to do when and if the criminals come?
Throw rocks?

Take care
 
Hey bro i understand your views but i don´t agree... And i won´t agree in a near future... I think the problems caused by gun-control are offset by the benefits it generates... You think the opposite... Bottom line: It will be very difficult to prove who is right!
BTW as an example i think the benefits generated by cars offset the problems they cause... And cars were designed as a mean of transportation... Guns have been designed with the sole purpose of killing and provoking pain!!! I know we need guns, but i don´t want any Joe Doe to have the right to own a gun... Guns should only be used by professionals...

I wont come back to this subject for awhile...
 
:alien: I carry a concealed weapon , and I wish it were legal, but I would rather have the felony conviction if I ever got caught, then get stabbed or shot by a bad guy who doesnt care about the laws......:alien:
 
Deadlift if you were to shoot someone defending yourself I don't think many cities in this country would charge you with it. Situations like that are why Texas passed laws to allow it
 
Now it seems to me that 8 employees would have cruised back to the sports section and rounded up a few bats and had practice with the crackhead. Imagine the beat down that would've been. It would make Rodney King look like a stubbed toe.
 
who argued martial arts against a hand gun???
that would b ludacris!!! ... try reading the post b4 u reply.

What are the rules in the US with concerns to ownershi of a gun? Do u need a license? .... does this cover home ownership, or does it allow you to carry it with you at all times? .... can anyone get a license to carry a concealed weapon? .... if not, what are the penaltys for doing so? ???? can u have a gun in your car???

Sorry i just aint got a clue .. its amazing how in the UK 80% of people have never seen a gun! ... and altho your arguments are justified about carrying guns, here less than 1% of crime is gunrelated, simple because there are hardly any. This is a good principle, but because u in the US r so used to having guns, it would never work there. 2 b honest when i move to the US, im a little scared about this whole gun issue ... i think im gonna have 2 buy one.
 
Come on down to Florida. We have legal, Concealed weapons permits and all you have to do is:

Not be a felon
Not found metally unstable by the courts
Attend (without passing a test) a 4 hour classroom course. (No actual shooting involved)

Very few restrictions on where you can legally carry.

I believe in the right to carry, but it scares me that there is not more instruction and actual training required on HOW and WHEN to use your right..
 
YOU GET BEATEN SENSELESSLY! BLACK EYE BLOODLY LIP, AND FRACTURED BONES.:freak:
 
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