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What good are deadlifts?

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dirtyboi

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I don't think they will benefit me. I always read that if you want to get big, do deadlifts and squats. Squats, I can see the value in those - works upper leg and stimulates hormone release. Squats I can put on leg day. Deads? When would I use that? What specific muscle would I be targeting? I don't think deads are conducive to a split routine. It uses too many different muscles to be put on any particular day ( back day? leg day?). I always try to keep from getting muscles from getting overlapping workouts to keep them fresh. My Split looks like this:
Monday: Chest, Back
Tuesday: Quads, Hams
Wednesday: Biceps, Triceps
Thursday: Shoulders
Friday: Forearms, Low Back, Abs, Calves
avg. day: 1/2 hr. lift weights 1/2 hr. cardio
 
'i dont think they'll benefit me'.

get ready for a flame bashing from hell!
 
Yeah, I guess it's just for show in powerlifting and on tv..those who want to grow, lift hard, and ask questions AFTER, not BEFORE!!! flexin' in the mirror huh??? maybe you should read more before posting....
 
Friday is the best day to do them on.

They build up your back, strengthen your core, and because they work so many muscles, release scary amounts of growth hormone.
 
I cannot even comment on something this ridiculous :rolleyes:

you deserve a big........:theranger

you are not getting off to a good start by flooding the board with your posts
 
Hamstrings, hip flexors, lower back, abdominals, lats, forearms, biceps, traps, and rear delts.
 
I suggest doing deadlifts 2 times a week. On the leg day, do them in a piramid fashion, between 12-8 reps. Then on the back day, go light weight and do 4 sets of 15.

I been doing this for the past 2 months and have seen tremendous results on both my lower back and hamstrings. Plus the ammount I can pick has also increased drastically.
 
dirtyboi said:
oh, I see you have something to say about deadlifts there, Bicep101. Thank you, that was very informative.
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oh but you're right deadlifts dont do shit:rolleyes:

either do squats

fuck it why work out nothing works, right moron?
 
Monday: Chest, Back
Tuesday: Quads, Hams
Wednesday: Biceps, Triceps
Thursday: Shoulders
Friday: Forearms, Low Back, Abs, Calves

I guess this is a good "beach muscle" routine. But if you want to put on size and strength it's very bad.

Chest and Back - You can't do justice to two major bodyparts working them on the same day.

Biceps, Triceps - Arms get their own special day, but we can't find time do deadlift?

Shoulders - By themselves? Nothing else? You're either overtraining them or you have extra time.

Forearms, Low Back, Abs, Calves - Lower back will be worked with deads. Calves on leg day. Abs at the end of whatever workout you choose.

Give back it's own "special day" do deads then, and bi's after.

Major muscle group/minor muscle group. That's how it should be done.

Old saying in BBing. "Take care of the big muscle groups the little ones will take care of themselves."
 
BicepT101 - omg, READ my post, and you might realize that my philosophy is like Frank Zane's " I would never do any exercise that didn't put muscle EXACTLY where I want it." In your rampant desire to "flame on", you are really showing base ignorance. If I didn't have anything important to say or ask, I guess I wouldn't be gettin flamed.
 
Deadlifts increase your neural capacity (which equals to more overall strenght) as well as packing slabs of muscle to the rear of your body, which will translate into much easier growth potential of arms, legs, etc...
 
Full_up-qp : I do 2 chest exercises and do a rowing exercise for back and then some pull over or pull down to finish up. Pretty easy to fit 4 exercise in 30 min.
 
Genarr3: I really can put a LOT of intensity into 4 exercises inside of a 1/2 hour. I admit that chest/back day is an ass kicker. Also, I am natural, so I don't go for much volume training - just brief intense workouts.
 
dirtyboi said:
BicepT101 - omg, READ my post, and you might realize that my philosophy is like Frank Zane's " I would never do any exercise that didn't put muscle EXACTLY where I want it." In your rampant desire to "flame on", you are really showing base ignorance. If I didn't have anything important to say or ask, I guess I wouldn't be gettin flamed.
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You use 'omg', then compare yourself to Frank Zane. The bros who read that will die laughing, especially seeing your 30min lift/30min cardio split... you gotta be kidding me.

You call bicepts101 ignorant. This man has more knowledge in his big toe than you do in your entire body. Probably more muscle as well.

If you DID have anything important to say or ask, you wouldn't be getting flamed. As it is, you're up to your neck being burned at the stake! "OMG, Do your own math, like, okay?"

-M
 
dirtyboi, LOL damn son you are a damn joke... Go hide back under your mother's dress will you... your nonsense here is uncalled for.
 
F117A Active Stealth said:
Deadlifts increase your neural capacity (which equals to more overall strenght) as well as packing slabs of muscle to the rear of your body, which will translate into much easier growth potential of arms, legs, etc...
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The thing you have to watch about deadlifts is that heavy deadlifting week after week will actually burn out your CNS and you'll find yourself stagnating and then losing strength.
 
do you suggest alternating weeks from heavy to light: 2 heavy 1 light...how does that sound slobber?
 
That is one option. Try it and see if it works. Another option is to alternate pulls with something else that works the same muscles. I.E. squats, GM's, or olympic lifts.

The principle that Westside powerlifters follow is that you will be able to train at 100% of your max every single week if you rotate your movements. For my Westside routine, I rotate low box squats, various GM's, and deadlift variations. Hit a PR each and every week, but on a different movement each week. The muscles and strength will continue to grow from the high intensity, but the CNS won't burn out.

Does that make sense?
 
My back has grown at such a freakish speed due to deads, I have to cut back on deads so I can still fit into my clothes. Even considering cardio.

Fucking sucks, lifes not fair :bawling:
 
dirtyboi said:
BicepT101 - omg, READ my post, and you might realize that my philosophy is like Frank Zane's " I would never do any exercise that didn't put muscle EXACTLY where I want it." In your rampant desire to "flame on", you are really showing base ignorance. If I didn't have anything important to say or ask, I guess I wouldn't be gettin flamed.
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Frank Zane has alot a wacky ideas. I have a friend of mine that does HIT and it has gotten him nowhere. I don't think he really likes to workout.
If you want to talk about Frank Zane maybe we should bring SofaGeorge in the mix.
 
satchboogie said:
where has sofageorge been lately??
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I don't know, I PM'd him. He always has interesting things to say about Frank Zane. He worked out at a gym where Frank trained people.
 
genarr3 said:

I don't know, I PM'd him. He always has interesting things to say about Frank Zane. He worked out at a gym where Frank trained people.
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Whenever Frank Zane's name comes up I think of too many funny encounters. I have friends who were students in his high school math classes through the '60s and '70s. If you live in the Venice, California area MOST people who grew up in the area had at least one class with "Mr. Zane." He's famous in Venice for having been a really cool high school teacher that all the kids (and parents) really respected, but almost nobody knew he was a pro bodybuilder, much less a 3 time Mr. Olympia.

I'm a little lost as to the comments being attributed to Frank Zane and not deadlifting. Frank Zane deadlifted his entire pro career, and he still deadlifts to this day. He credits the deadlift for building his dynamic lower back and giving him a great core strength.
 
SofaGeorge said:


Whenever Frank Zane's name comes up I think of too many funny encounters. I have friends who were students in his high school math classes through the '60s and '70s. If you live in the Venice, California area MOST people who grew up in the area had at least one class with "Mr. Zane." He's famous in Venice for having been a really cool high school teacher that all the kids (and parents) really respected, but almost nobody knew he was a pro bodybuilder, much less a 3 time Mr. Olympia.

I'm a little lost as to the comments being attributed to Frank Zane and not deadlifting. Frank Zane deadlifted his entire pro career, and he still deadlifts to this day. He credits the deadlift for building his dynamic lower back and giving him a great core strength.
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I took his mention of Frank Zane to mean it's ok to do one or two sets with great intensity and then you're done with that bodypart. Which I completely disagree with.
 
genarr3 said:

I took his mention of Frank Zane to mean it's ok to do one or two sets with great intensity and then you're done with that bodypart. Which I completely disagree with.
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None of the old guys did 1 to 2 sets ala Mike Mentzer. Those were the days that most guys pushed volume up. It wasn't till the mid-80s that people started squawking about "over training." We didn't even have the concept of over training in the '70s.

Also, if you talk to anyone who worked out with Mentzer in the '70s they will all tell you he did 4 "warm up" sets the 1 "work set" and called it one set. They will also tell you he did his "warm up" sets with the same weight rep range they used for their work sets. (Mike is a bad example. I saw him every day in the gym for years. He looked like total crap. He barely ever worked out, and you would NEVER believe by looking at him that he had EVER been in shape.) (Another odd anecdote about Mike. The wall of Gold's Venice has pictures of all the legends... there are rows of Mr. Universe pictures going back to day one. The same with Mr. America etc... Mike was Mr. America... I'm not sure what year... but when you come to that year in the line up... his spot was blank. His was the only title in the major contest that didn't have a photo. Mike worked as a trainer at the gym every day. The only reason that picture would be down is he asked that it be taken down. Mike seemed to have a lot of bitterness towards his past.)
 
I am just getting back into deads now that my back is recovered. (Fucked it up lifting a pallet at work :()

Even if deads didn't do jack shit I would still do em because they are so fun.

That said they are argueably the best exercise in existence. Either that or squats.

You want big biceps, massive shoulders, a ripped back, chiselled chest, etc -- do deads.
 
I like doing deadlifts. Even when I was a competitive swimmer in high school, my coach made us do deads, cleans, squats...our team was fucking awesome, so many state championships...I love doing power cleans also with some front squats.
 
All those bitching and insulting this guy simply because he does not do a particular exercise really need to get a life.
 
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Deadlifts are a must if you are a competitive athlete. If one relies on hamstring curls for their hamstrings they have read too many men's health magazines. Hamstring curls do not work the muscle in a practical way, especially the ones you do while laying down. The ones standing up work better but should not be the only exercise for hammies. Hyperextensions and reverse hypers should be added after the main hammy exercise, deadlifts. Make sure when you do them you bring the bar as close to your body as possible and keep a flat back as much as possible. If you have to start with a lower weight to keep good form don't worry about the weight. Too many people are worried about weight and compromise proper form in essential exercises. Not only will your base be foundationally better, but you will not experience as many negative side effects due to improper technique.
 
dirtyboi said:
BicepT101 - omg, READ my post, and you might realize that my philosophy is like Frank Zane's " I would never do any exercise that didn't put muscle EXACTLY where I want it." In your rampant desire to "flame on", you are really showing base ignorance. If I didn't have anything important to say or ask, I guess I wouldn't be gettin flamed.
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If you wanna look like Zane , keep training like that. Personally I like training deads on back day and theyve made a huge difference in my size and thickness, overall strength as well. Wouldnt trade them for any exercise now.
 
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