What do you do for shoulders?

[malhavoc]

I'm looking to mix up my shoulder training a bit. Any tips?

I typically do mostly presses with some up upright rowing.

I'm natural right now, so what would be a good number of sets to do (I don't train shoulders with chest) ?

 

[Cuthbert]

Personally, NOT ENOUGH!!!!

What are your goals? Do you want to put more weight overhead? Get bigger? Your goals will make a big difference in your approach.

 

[louden_swain]

I start all upper body days with

Standing Barbell Push Presses

Talk about a delt beater!!

 

[louden_swain]

Personally, I think that push presses and up right rows are sufficient for stimulating new growth.

I typically go 6 sets on push presses and 2 sets for upright rows.

 

[Debaser]

When you say push presses do you mean the explosive press using the leg drive? If so I don't see how these would be more productive than strict overhead presses with a controlled eccentric. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the subject.

 

[Citruscide]

One thing I have found that has really helped my shoudlers out is pre-exhausting the delts prior to hitting the press movements.

Such as DB Cleans and Lat Flies, and then hitting DB Presse and OHP's... then moving on to front plate raises and Rear Delt exercises.

I find the pre-exhaustion technique really helps hammer the shoulders even harder.

C-ditty

 

[malhavoc]

Personally, NOT ENOUGH!!!!

What are your goals? Do you want to put more weight overhead? Get bigger? Your goals will make a big difference in your approach.

I guess my goals would help

I'm looking for more size, my shoulders are somewhat of a weak point in my physique.

 

[malhavoc]

One thing I have found that has really helped my shoudlers out is pre-exhausting the delts prior to hitting the press movements.

Such as DB Cleans and Lat Flies, and then hitting DB Presse and OHP's... then moving on to front plate raises and Rear Delt exercises.

I find the pre-exhaustion technique really helps hammer the shoulders even harder.

C-ditty

I've never tried pre-exhaustion consistently. Do you do it for more then just shoulders?

 

[needsleep]

When you say push presses do you mean the explosive press using the leg drive? If so I don't see how these would be more productive than strict overhead presses with a controlled eccentric. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the subject.

Agreed I need this explaining for me to understand also, I take it that you're lifting more weight with a push press (so eccentric is more beneficial because of extra weight), is this why or am I not understanding something?

 

[Exodus]

well........... you have to lower the bar in a controlled mannor even while doing push pressing, otherwise you will break a clavical. so here is an illustration.

say i can strict press 150lbs overhead for 5 reps. and say i switch to push presses with 200lbs for 5 reps. 1st im lifting more explosive, which means more growth hormone release. 2nd im lifting 50 more lbs......... yes im using leg drive so he concentric phase.......... but you dont use leg drive on the negative phase. so you have to use your shoulder muscles to lower it under control. if your goal is bodybuilding and physique only, then think of it as doing negatives. you have someone else help you raise the weight (but now your using your legs instead of a spotter) and then a negative down. now if your goal is strength, you can just let the weight fall and catch it. but you will still see strength and size results eitherway becuase of the fact: your using more weight.

i hope that made sense.

X

 

[needsleep]

Fully understand it now thanks, figured that was the case but really wanted to be clear.

Would doing 2x8-10ish on push press after 5x5 on standing barbell military press work? (not going to change the 5x5 exercise as I am making gradual strength progress on it).

 

[Exodus]

glad that made sense.

just my .02 cents......... i would do the 5x5 with push press. then do 2 sets of 8-10 of strict military pressing........ just what i would do.

X

 

[Lord_Suston]

right now
3x8 military db's
3x6 push press
3x12 face-pulls

I do db's seated first to pre-fatigue and learn how to use more leg drive, but mine is sport specific. But my shoulders are ok IMO

 

[Citruscide]

I've never tried pre-exhaustion consistently. Do you do it for more then just shoulders?

It works best for shoulders for me... I haven't tried it with another muscle group as yet.

C-ditty