what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natural?

[marcu_s]

im talking about the loss in fat offcourse.

ive heard that u dont want to loose more than 0.5-0.7 kg a week when dieting.

so how is that when youre on clen/eca?

any other....dnp? an d can u use that whitout aas whitout the risk of loosing musclemass

any type of aas?

i watched some clip of jay, where he weighted himself in the gym and he had lost 4 pounds or something...isnt that to much?

i know diet is the key, but loosing that much wouldnt be good whit any type of diet.
im confused guys, help me.

 

[HAYEZ]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

when i diet i try and aim for 2-3 pounds per week to lose...anything more i would up the calories a bit because your probally burning more muscle then anything....
prop and tren are a great was to hold mass while dieting...
my opinion on clen is that you should toss it in the garbage and get your diet in check to lose weight...clen is worthless

 

[AAP]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

While natural or off cycle, you want to keep fat loss to a small amount each week, simply to ensure you do not sacrifice any muscle in the process.

of course when you are on cycle, you have a generous amount of "muscle insurance" and can drop a bit more. However, the line between fat loss and muscle loss doesn't cease to exist, it simply stretches a bit.

Also, don't confuse the numbers going down on the scale with fat loss. Jay could have dropped 4 lbs of water and not a bit of fat.

 

[REFORMATA]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

I think you should get your diet in check first. Be in at least 500 cal defecit every day, or so, based on how much you lose. After 2 months or so of dieting, if you haven't achieved what you want or much closer to it, aides can be of use for increasing metabolism. My personal belief is not that clen is worthless.

 

[AAP]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

I don't believe in the 500 calorie defiecency method to start with.

I believe keeping your calories the same, just swapping out 500 calories of your carbs for 500 calories of protein. If that doesn't work, swap out another 500 calories of your carbs for 500 calories of healthy fats.

Not a perfect example, but the truth of the matter is that most people who diet simply end up losing weight, and not fat. Or at least very much fat. They simply end up smaller fat people. "Skinny fat" if you will because they diet away muscle too. I prefer to advise people to keep the calories up and instead get rid of the fat with mild cardio and constantly emptying your glucose stores so you make the body burn stored fat for fuel and not rely on carb intake.

But again, this is just one of a dozen ways to skin a cat.

 

[REFORMATA]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

I guess you're right man. That would be another way to do it if you're worried about losing muscle. I personally don't notice much muscle loss at all. I just don't lift heavy whilst in defecit. But I definetly choose protein over carb when dieting...what do you think about for women? Same? You basically think caloric intake deficet is a bad way to go for fat loss?

 

[jroy19]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

as long as your macros are still in proportion a 500 cal defecit isn't going to waste away that much muscle. its only really viable to lose 1 to 2 pounds of pure body fat a week.

 

[galaxy]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

On clen and t3 you can eat Big Macs, french fries and still lose weight. Natural you have to do cardio and eat rice and chicken.

 

[OMEGA]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

the rebound from T3 is brutal

 

[RagenMMA]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

so what your saying is these fatties on "The Biggest Loser" who are consistently losing 7 lbs. a week are metabolizing muscle? Maybe i'm a sick bastard but there is one chick on the show i'd pipe for sure.

 

[marcu_s]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

so why is many people using clen and such too loose weight......?
i thought that when u took for example clen and fatburners that u were able to loose a bit more fat than normal in a week wihtout the risk of loosing bm.

aas i understand...but not clen and other fatburners....

 

[marcu_s]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

bump.,

 

[HAYEZ]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

so why is many people using clen and such too loose weight......?
i thought that when u took for example clen and fatburners that u were able to loose a bit more fat than normal in a week wihtout the risk of loosing bm.

aas i understand...but not clen and other fatburners....

im surr clen works for some people...the way it makes you feel while on it i think id rather eat perfect then use that as a crutch

 

[eddymerckx]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

I have tried them all--genetics suck (and Bavarian Cream LaMars Bars). the difference between them is that clen/albut speed your metabolism up as a side effect; dnp is just death in a bottle; t-3 is not worth the risk (ask me, I know first hand); eca is proven to work but the better option is some of the otc stacks that give you all the precursors needed to burn much more fat than as a result of CNS.

My advice--lipoflame + amp02. I have not tried OMEGA's new one so I cannot speak to that one as yet--

 

[Nelson Montana]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

Clen is brytal. Any CNSA has a rebound effect. T 3 is totally temporary. I think appitite supressants are essentially bullshit.

Bottom line:" calories. Ya gotta cut 'em. You have to learn how to control your hunger.

The best supps are IMO ...ZIP -- of course. I developed it for a reason. It hypes the thyroid by supporting it, not suppressing it. The weight loss is subtle but more permanent.

I like Lipoflame for pre-workout. It allows you to really train intensely and burn extra calories while you work out.

That's about it. No magic bullet. The supps give a little edge but fat loss with drugs are a losing proposition. You're better off using gear to build more muscle which in turn burns more fat.

 

[mossy]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

clen is a complete waste of time imo. all i got were really bad shakes and cramps in places i didnt know u cud like my face :O and absolutly no energy!
ECA defo the way to go (i found ephedrine on its own is no gud) the stack is great lost over twenty pounds in a month last time i tried it and looked great ive done a course since then and put a bit back on. first day of using it and feel like im gona explode with energy
defo prefer to be a bit jitery then cramping and shaking like i have parkinsons

 

[aquatic_glories]

Re: what can the difference be in fatloss when u compare clen/eca stack,aas from natu

the rebound from T3 is brutal

Can you explain that situation more please??

Thanks