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Water Boarding

this isn't new at all...... what a fucking dumbass this guy is who thinks he can do it for 15 seconds.

i think this technique was used @ guantanamo. Don't quote me on this, but i think it led to acquiring a lot of information about terrorists.
 
JDid23 said:
this isn't new at all...... what a fucking dumbass this guy is who thinks he can do it for 15 seconds.

i think this technique was used @ guantanamo. Don't quote me on this, but i think it led to acquiring a lot of information about terrorists.
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Yeah - heard it was effective at Gitmo. Not sure how, seems like once you let them up, they would go tight lip again.
 
We didn't invent this. There's hieroglyphics depicting this that date so far back it seems crazy. The Chinese have documented it's use for as far back as they have written documents. It's still popular because it works so well.
 
wow i have no idea why this is so powerful. just having your head down a bit and water going into yor nostrils??? how come I don't freak out in swimming pools then?

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bakemeacookie said:
wow i have no idea why this is so powerful. just having your head down a bit and water going into yor nostrils??? how come I don't freak out in swimming pools then?

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Because you still have control.
Take away that control and you'll panic like a little school girl.
 
The easiest way to do this without wasting so much water is to use a tub. (bring in the next, same water) You can tie them to a plank or stretcher and dip their head with a towel wrapped over the face. With their body balanced correctly you can get the questioning done by yourself with no witnesses. Just don't let go of the plank to start shooting out the window, it doesn't work out so good for further intel.
 
I think some are probably more prone to freak from this than others. I run into the water-up-the-nose panic during scuba classes and we teach mask removal skills. It's one of the reasons I always emphasize to the students to flood the mask from the top rather than the bottom. Even then, even with control and being able to breath, about one in every class will flip out and stand up the second they get a little water up their nose. I can easily see how panic can build in an inverted position like this where the dead air is staying in the lungs because of that position (it's CO2 buildup that gives your body the breathing reflex, rather than lack of oxygen) - even if you breath out to prevent water from entering the nose, you're breathing out the good air, doing nothing to satisfy that breathing reflex, and on top of that you've got the drowning reflexes...The more nervous you get, the faster your body uses oxygen....Yeah...game over.
 
bakemeacookie said:
wow i have no idea why this is so powerful. just having your head down a bit and water going into yor nostrils??? how come I don't freak out in swimming pools then?

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it's a simulated drowning. i don't know about you, but that's one of the last ways (drowning) i'd want to die.
 
bakemeacookie said:
wow i have no idea why this is so powerful. just having your head down a bit and water going into yor nostrils??? how come I don't freak out in swimming pools then?

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The tough guy wanna be in the clip even asked the same thing. Inversion allows the water up your nose and sinus cavity, even with no water getting into your lungs the sensation of drowning is real as the lungs have a higher concentration of co2 and you feel everything filling up. This guy lasts only seconds.
 
BNG said:
The tough guy wanna be in the clip even asked the same thing. Inversion allows the water up your nose and sinus cavity, even with no water getting into your lungs the sensation of drowning is real as the lungs have a higher concentration of co2 and you feel everything filling up. This guy lasts only seconds.
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yeah - would suck. My question is, you obviously don't give out information while water is being poured on your face, so once they raise you up, don't you get over this fear and clam up again?
 
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billfred said:
yeah - would suck. My question is, you obviously don't give out information while water is being poured on your face. So once they raise you up, don't you get over this fear and clam up again?
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I'm sure it's so awful that you say whatever the fuck they wanna hear.. If anything, it's overly effective. There's a potential to admit to crimes you didn't even commit.
 
redshirt27se said:
There's a potential to admit to crimes you didn't even commit.
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That's my problem with torture. Many folks admit to things they have nothing to do with.
 
redshirt27se said:
I'm sure it's so awful that you say whatever the fuck they wanna hear.. If anything, it's overly effective. There's a potential to admit to crimes you didn't even commit.
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The snitch will squeal. It's std procedure to weigh the intel for value and correctness. Good info is rewarded, bad info leads to further questioning. Everyone knows something. Even if it's a name or activities in an area.
You also realize this isn't used on everyone, it's reserved for higher value captives.
 
problem was, it wasnt always reserved for higher ups, or ppl were misidentified as higher up when they werent
 
shirlene29 said:
problem was, it wasnt always reserved for higher ups, or ppl were misidentified as higher up when they werent
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I don't really have a problem with it. IT is not like they are being physically hurt. Just mentally bringing inducing fear. Seems like a more humane way to obtain information to me.
 
billfred said:
I don't really have a problem with it. IT is not like they are being physically hurt. Just mentally bringing inducing fear. Seems like a more humane way to obtain information to me.
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The field phone wires to the balls was much nastier.
 
Mental torture is way worse than physical. You can torture someone way worse by mind fucking them to the point they take their own life.
 
want real torture? go to russia.

they'll put you in a real tiny cell with just a toilet no light all concrete no communication. After 2 months in there, you will go crazy and lose all humanity.

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billfred said:
yeah - would suck. My question is, you obviously don't give out information while water is being poured on your face, so once they raise you up, don't you get over this fear and clam up again?
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that guy couldn't deal with it for seconds. imagine dealing with it for hours or even 30 minutes. As someone else previously stated, mental torture is worse than physical torture
 
billfred said:
I don't really have a problem with it. IT is not like they are being physically hurt. Just mentally bringing inducing fear. Seems like a more humane way to obtain information to me.
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x2, moreover, I think Law enforcement should be allowed to use that too.
 
Lol this shit is old... and saw widespread use during the Philippine war lol

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I don't see this as torture and basically don't have much sympathy left for anyone of those "detainees" we're being so nice to. Our enemies think we're soft because we're so P.C. and yet they saw peoples heads off with dull knives on video. Most people don't have the stomach for the truth.
 
BNG said:
I don't see this as torture and basically don't have much sympathy left for anyone of those "detainees" we're being so nice to. Our enemies think we're soft because we're so P.C. and yet they saw peoples heads off with dull knives on video. Most people don't have the stomach for the truth.
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@ Omega- what do you want to do with the detainees? just keep them until their time runs out like it's jail?

Fuck man, waterboard the shit out of them if that what it takes.

The shit we give the prisoners in guantanamo is ridiculous. They have ping pong tables, basketball courts, TV, weight room, all sorts of other shit.

In essence, we're treating them the same way we're treating criminals who aren't terrorists besides the cells they're locked up in.

recently saw a vid on guantanamo- one of the prisoners said terrorist groups used to "love america" because of its freedom, but now that we are imprisoning terrorists, they "hate america" and we're hypocritical. Horseshit.
 
No but I heard they are trying to add Pole Dancing to the Olympics. I think it would be the most watched event buy men 14-100 lol.
 
OMEGA said:
Torture in not right

anyone that does it deserves to Go Straight to hell
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Decapitating people and dragging their remains through town isn't right either.

If torture results in saving the lives of U.S. troops I'm for it.

What do you want to do with the detainees? Put them up in a Holiday Inn Express?
 
OMEGA said:
Torture in not right

anyone that does it deserves to Go Straight to hell
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Anyone still agree with this statement?
Waterboarding looks like something I would do to my little brother when I was a kid.
 
lartinos said:
Anyone still agree with this statement?
Waterboarding looks like something I would do to my little brother when I was a kid.
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I still don't see it as torture. I think torture relates to pain and this does not. This is no different than me having to go see a scary movie with my bride - hate that shit but when it is over it is over. Not like I am walking around the rest of my life without my thumbs or something like that.
 
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