Volume Training

[ZGzaZ]

NASM???? NASM is one of the best personal trainer certifications out there.... but to take what nasm preaches as bible, you're crazy. How many great powerlifters are NASM? More importantly, how many of the great Olympic coaches are NASM certified? Many of these people have doctorates, NASM doesn't hold up too well against a Ph.D.

These principles have been proven by athletes outperforming competition year after year, not by passing a certification test.

Bill Starr.
Mark Rippletoe.
Glenn Pendlay.
Louie Simmons.
Gayle Hatch.
etc.
etc.
etc.

Do these names ring any bells to you at all? I promise you they would each piss on a NASM certification, and they certainly wouldn't hang it in the biggest frame in their office. Buy Starting Strength, buy Practical Programming, thoroughly read the site and associated links at http://www.geocities.com/elitemadcow1/5x5_Program/Linear_5x5.htm
Visit http://www.msbn.tv/usavision/

Watch Mike Miller squat 1200+ pounds or Mariusz win a World's Strongest Man competition, or my man Pyros Dymas grab the gold.

These men are accomplishing these amazing tactics through varieties of strength training, not through the great Joe Weider and his "principles".

Kabeetz laying it down...

 

[Andalite]

Kabeetz laying it down...

i agree with him......kabeetz has some very valid points.

 

[ricanx99]

I love all the posts and controversy I started... LoL.... Keep it going! I appreciate everyone's input and explanations so far...

 

[ZGzaZ]

I love all the posts and controversy I started... LoL.... Keep it going! I appreciate everyone's input and explanations so far...

 

[ricanx99]

HaHaHa

 

[ricanx99]

- Kabeetz, BiggT, ZgZaz - You guys are awesome.. You know you're shit and your posts are much appreciated.

- JohnRobbHolmes - Thanks for that link on the HST. I wasn't familiar with that method of training. I still have to finish reading all of it, but so far so good.

- Neo22 - Can you show that science? I'm interested in what you have to prove/show since you are negating these other guys.

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

HST seems like a good means to increase your swole if you are OK with strength going down for a while. I have never ran it, but it has been tested by good orb's around here. I have a long road to travel before I will need to deviate much from the 5x5. Shoot, I still gotta learn how to eat enough before I can get past newbie stage :lol:

 

[ricanx99]

HST seems like a good means to increase your swole if you are OK with strength going down for a while. I have never ran it, but it has been tested by good orb's around here. I have a long road to travel before I will need to deviate much from the 5x5. Shoot, I still gotta learn how to eat enough before I can get past newbie stage :lol:

Sounds good man... 5x5 was very solid for me. Like I said before, I just wanted to run something different for a couple weeks and more likely than not, I'll return to it. I'm gonna finish reading the HST tho to see the type of training it does. Thanks again bro!

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

Glad I could help out.

 

[coolcolj]

you can work in whatever rep range, doesn't matter too much

but as long as the load your using in that range and volume goes up over time and you eating enough, your getting bigger

do you think someone who goes from a 135x8 to 405x8 squat is gonna be the same size?!

from KellyB's article

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/theultimatesplit.html

5. Although some now argue that the hardgainer philosophy went a little extreme with extremely low volume and excessive recovery recommendations (and I agree), most natural bodybuilders to this day will make better gains focusing on strength gains with a more moderate volume setup than any routine that they pull out of a standard bodybuilding magazine.

Let's say you took a natural bodybuilder and built him up to the following lifts:

Incline Bench Press: 400 x 10
Squat: 405 x 20
Stiff Leg dead: 375 x 20
Pullup: BW + 75 x 10 reps
Dips: BW + 100 x 10 reps
Curl: 135 x 20 reps



Do you think the bodybuilder that could achieve those lifts would have built a significant amount of size? Heck yeah! Now what if those were the ONLY lifts that he did and he simply focused on each of them in a progressive fashion? Well, that is what powerlifters do and there are no shortage of muscular powerlifters out there. But the average bodybuilder will get lost in the details (the pump and volume), and shortchange himself in the long run.

The point is, in the bodybuilding world there are those with the genetics to be pro bodybuilders and then there is everybody else. (Hardgainers). Those with less than optimal genetics will not get great gains training on routines that work well for the elite people and do better focusing on basics.