Virgin...

[velvett]

or not a virgin.



This came up in debate at work today.


Ok...

Is a girl that does everything but (penile insertion into a vagina) yet she gives and gets oral, dry humps and well has available backdoor access - is she really still a virgin?




I an sitting panty-free indian style on the edge of my chair awaiting your most colorful and insightful answers, opinions and comments.


Thank you.



DISCLAIMER: To all the virgins out there, this is in no way an insult towards you. I am just curious as to public opinion.

 

[MrMuscle]

if a guy doesnt get laid but has a hole in his matress is he still a virgin?

please say no please say no please say no

 

[starfish]

I would say she is still a virgin but I don't think it matters anymore

 

[Rémy!]

By definition .. it looks like ... yes

Main Entry: virgin
a : an absolutely chaste young woman
b : an unmarried girl or woman
4 a : a person who has not had sexual intercourse
5 : a female animal that has never copulated

Main Entry: sexual intercourse
1 : heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : COITUS
2 : intercourse involving genital contact between individuals other than penetration of the vagina by the penis

 

[mattcanning99]

if a guy doesnt get laid but has a hole in his matress is he still a virgin?

please say no please say no please say no

if a tree in the forest falls on a virgin and kills him, does anyone care?

seriously, im wondering...it could be me.

 

[Rex]

Opie and Anthony talk about the Technical Virgin. Its a girl who will do oral, and/or anal, but no vaginal. Then when she is married, and has sex on her honey moon vaginally she is losing her virginity. Its big in Boston I hear.

 

[velvett]

Hmm.

Ok.

Is anal sex not sexual intercourse? (you see I can be subtle and just say backdoor entry.)


Hmmm, If I keep this up I may have to move this.... pooh


Chaste also means - morally pure in thought or conduct; decent and modest. Is oral sex pure in though and conduct? (You can't be too modest with a man's face tight between your legs.)

If we follow the definition - "a person who has not had sexual intercourse" would that not mean that lesbian women that have never had sex or a relationship with a man also to be *cough* virgins? (And don't say strap on because - it's not a real genital organ. HA!)

 

[Rémy!]

If we follow the definition - "a person who has not had sexual intercourse" would that not mean that lesbian women that have never had sex or a relationship with a man also to be *cough* virgins? (And don't say strap on because - it's not a real genital organ. HA!)

Yeah.. but then if you refer to the other definition...

Main Entry: sexual intercourse
1 : heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : COITUS
2 : intercourse involving genital contact between individuals other than penetration of the vagina by the penis

 

[bouncer]

Cut the shit and get to the chase. Tell me about sitting panty free indian style please.

Bouncer

 

[Rex]

www.technicalvirgin.com

 

[starfish]

Hmmm. Velvett is this a trick question??

I think oral sex and sexual intercourse are both sex. But virginity is a good question.. The more I think about this, the more confused I get.. I guess I assumed any girl who did all those other things would also let Mr Happy in there.

starfish

 

[HappyScrappy]

I guess I assumed any girl who did all those other things would also let Mr Happy in there.

please leave me out of this

 

[velvett]

Yeah.. but then if you refer to the other definition...


2 : intercourse involving genital contact between individuals other than penetration of the vagina by the penis

Remy - 1 || velvett - 0


Ok. You win round one.

What about Anal sex?

Is it ONLY vaginal penetration?

Why stay a virgin - I thought the idea of being a virgin was to share something special (*yawn*) with someone you love and care about?

Hell, if I knew about oral sex before vaginal sex - I'd be a virgin too.

 

[mattcanning99]

oral sex doesnt count

 

[velvett]

www.technicalvirgin.com

OMG!

BAHAHAHAHA!

Thanks



They blew it by Remy's definition though....

I believe that masturbation should be encouraged among males and females of all ages, both by manual methods and with the use of vibrators, dildos and other such devices.

OMG _ read this.

This site is a rip.

REBECCA K., Great Falls, MT
I know what you're thinking: "Anal sex?! Gross! No way!" But it's so cool! My boyfriends get totally turned on by watching me lube up, and I don't worry anymore about getting pregnant. And anal is definitely the fast track to the "in" crowd: Ever since I started taking it anal, I've been way popular at school!

 

[starfish]

That was funny HappyScrappy

How about this- if a girl decides she is a lesbian and never has sex with a man but has sex with women- is she still a virgin??

 

[HappyScrappy]

what about animals?
what if it's YOUR dog?!

 

[velvett]

How about this- if a girl decides she is a lesbian and never has sex with a man but has sex with women- is she still a virgin??

As I have been notified - they are still a virgin as long as they didn't use a penis replacement as a penis in a vagina.

 

[velvett]

Cut the shit and get to the chase. Tell me about sitting panty free indian style please.
Bouncer

Panties only provide lines.

I say - *BURN YEE PANTIES*

In honor of today's technical virgins of course.

 

[Warik]

What's all this talk about oral sex being sex? Where were you people during Clinton's impeachment?

-Warik

 

[velvett]

What's all this talk about oral sex being sex? Where were you people during Clinton's impeachment?

-Warik

What about Anal, Warik?

I really want your thoughts on this one too.




No really, I'm serious.

 

[Rémy!]

The definition itself makes little sense..

"Intercourse involving genital contact between individuals other than penetration of the vagina by the penis".

Other than 'penis touching vagina' what other genitals are there to touch or contact?

 

[danielson]

What's all this talk about oral sex being sex? Where were you people during Clinton's impeachment?

-Warik

hey now......oral sex and sticking cigars where the sun dont shine does NOT constitute sexal relations



we need a new word which covers all kind of genital stimulation single or mutual

 

[Rémy!]

What about Anal sex?

Main Entry: gen·i·tal
1 : GENERATIVE
2 : of, relating to, or being a sexual organ
3 : of, relating to, or characterized by the stage of psychosexual development in psychoanalytic theory during which oral and anal impulses are subordinated to adaptive interpersonal mechanisms


Is the anus a sexual organ?

If you consider the anus as a true sexual organ than abstaining from anal sex is included in being a virgin.

 

[velvett]

Main Entry: gen·i·tal
1 : GENERATIVE
2 : of, relating to, or being a sexual organ
3 : of, relating to, or characterized by the stage of psychosexual development in psychoanalytic theory during which oral and anal impulses are subordinated to adaptive interpersonal mechanisms


Is the anus a sexual organ?

If you consider the anus as a true sexual organ than abstaining from anal sex is included in being a virgin.

Ok. I get ya.




Flip side.

Gay men that have only had anal sex with other men.

All virgins?

 

[manny78]

http://www.technicalvirgin.com/

 

[Rémy!]

Flip side.

Gay men that have only had anal sex with other men.

All virgins?

By def, it looks like no....

"intercourse involving genital contact between individuals other than penetration of the vagina by the penis"

Individuals was mentioned, not opposite sex, so I guess it applies to all.

Main Entry: sex·u·al
1 : of, relating to, or associated with sex or the sexes 2 : having or involving sex
Main Entry: or·gan
2 a : a differentiated structure (as a heart, kidney, leaf, or stem) consisting of cells and tissues and performing some specific function in an organism

So the ass is a viable sexual organ, therby making anal sex, not something that would keep one a virgin.

 

[velvett]

Main Entry: sex·u·al
1 : of, relating to, or associated with sex or the sexes 2 : having or involving sex
Main Entry: or·gan
2 a : a differentiated structure (as a heart, kidney, leaf, or stem) consisting of cells and tissues and performing some specific function in an organism

So the ass is a viable sexual organ, therby making anal sex, not something that would keep one a virgin.

*blink*

I think I love your mind Remy!....


So there you have it.


Oral sex is the only you can have to keep a virgin a virgin *cough* by definition.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

YOU FOUND ME OUT. I CONFESS, I AM A VIRGIN BUT I HAVE A GOOD EXCUSE.


I HAVE NO PENIS

 

[fistfullofsteel]

I ALSO THINK I SHOULD MEET YOU AT A CHEAP TRASHY HOTEL SO I CAN PROVE IT TO YOU.

 

[velvett]

FFOS

Your PM Box is full.

 

[Warik]

*blink*

I think I love your mind Remy!....


So there you have it.


Oral sex is the only you can have to keep a virgin a virgin *cough* by definition.

Not necessarily.

He's defining anal sex as sex with a circular definition.

It's like: "anal sex is sex because the ass is a viable sexual organ. the ass is a viable sexual organ because it is involved in anal sex."

In order to conclude that anal sex, or oral sex, or pretty much anything considered "sexual activity" besides traditional sexual intercourse is in fact considered "sex" using Rémy!'s definition, we must find another way to conclude that the organs in question are "associated with sex."

How we will do that without saying "the ass is associated with sex because it is involved in anal sex?" I do not know. All I know is that we can't use the statement we are trying to prove in this fashion. It's like saying "2 + 2 = 4 because when you add two and two up you get four."

-Warik

 

[velvett]

How we will do that without saying "the ass is associated with sex because it is involved in anal sex?" I do not know. All I know is that we can't use the statement we are trying to prove in this fashion. It's like saying "2 + 2 = 4 because when you add two and two up you get four."

So, what kind of sex (or no sex) may someone have (or not have) to be a considered virgin, in your opinion.

 

[dballer]

Any type of SEX makes the person in question a non-virgin.

A girl who has oral sex and anal sex... but will not have general intercourse.... of course in not a virgin in the traditional sense.

 

[velvett]

Funny story...

Back in college - 1990 ish.

A guy friend was getting engaged to his 6 year girlfriend.
She was a *cough* virgin (ie. by his definition they did everything but vaginal insertion with a penis sex).

Anywhoo.

Her Bacherette party - (BAHAHAHA - slut) she experienced her first penis insertion sex (the stripper) and the wedding was called off.

She felt she should *cough* date more and have more experience (sex - the non-virgin kind) with other men.



Many penises and three rings later the man with the most money won and she did finally get married in 1996.




Personally.......

I call bullshit. You're not so pure and innoccent taking it every which way but - you make real virgins (those that do not have any form of sex) look bad. You're orgasming, you're getting off and getting someone else off - you are having sex.

Just my opinion.

 

[Rémy!]

Not necessarily.

He's defining anal sex as sex with a circular definition.

It's like: "anal sex is sex because the ass is a viable sexual organ. the ass is a viable sexual organ because it is involved in anal sex."....................

-Warik

I know what you mean, I couldn't locate a strait definition of a 'sexual organ' , by using them seperate, it seems any organ that is used in/regarding sex qualifies.

How would you conclude which organs in question are "associated with sex." ?

 

[velvett]

Any type of SEX makes the person in question a non-virgin.

A girl who has oral sex and anal sex... but will not have general intercourse.... of course in not a virgin in the traditional sense.

Call the press.

We see eye to eye.

 

[dballer]

Funny story...

Back in college - 1990 ish.

A guy friend was getting engaged to his 6 year girlfriend.
She was a *cough* virgin (ie. by his definition they did everything but vaginal insertion with a penis sex).

Anywhoo.

Her Bacherette party - (BAHAHAHA - slut) she experienced her first penis insertion sex (the stripper) and the wedding was called off.

She felt she should *cough* date more and have more experience (sex - the non-virgin kind) with other men.



Many penises and three rings later the man with the most money won and she did finally get married in 1996.




Personally.......

I call bullshit. You're not so pure and innoccent taking it every which way but - you make real virgins (those that do not have any form of sex) look bad. You're orgasming, you're getting off and getting someone else off - you are having sex.

Just my opinion.

Sorry to anger you women.... But I hope the SLUT in the above story gets her heart ripped out by Satan.

 

[danielson]

Sorry to anger you women.... But I hope the SLUT in the above story gets her heart ripped out by Satan.

uh huh !

 

[starfish]

This may sound like a dorky answer but back in my younger years- Ha Ha Ha!!

I remember thinking I was loosing my virginity if I did something that could result in getting pregnant. I guess times have changed.

 

[dballer]

This may sound like a dorky answer but back in my younger years- Ha Ha Ha!!

I remember thinking I was loosing my virginity if I did something that could result in getting pregnant. I guess times have changed.

Well... I think when we started giving kids condoms... and letting them watch sitcoms promoting sex... that is when it all changed.

It makes me sick.

There is nothing sacred anymore

 

[danielson]

Well... I think when we started giving kids condoms... and letting them watch sitcoms promoting sex... that is when it all changed.

It makes me sick.

There is nothing sacred anymore

whoa there

why is giving kids shown to be in the age group where consensual sex is prevalant condoms a bad thing? shit we should be dropping them from planes!

how do we drop the rates of teenage pregnancy (high in both our countries)

sitcoms aren't a great example of modern life....the ones over here have all kinds of evil shit in termsof showing consequences of actions (HIV, teenage pregnancy etc)

 

[starfish]

I understand about the whole condom thing- but it's because you were doing something that could make you pregnant- right..

All that other stuff was "making out" or something.. You can't get pregnant from oral sex.

I don't know- I just remember thinking that when I was younger.

 

[dballer]

whoa there

why is gioving kids condoms a bad thing? shit we should be dropping them from planes!

Wanna give them porno videos while you're at it?

 

[danielson]

Wanna give them porno videos while you're at it?

video's that teach the proper use of condoms dont have to be pornographic


teenage pregnancy rates are on the up

so are STD infection rates

population no's are



how do we stop these? prevention of sex? is NEVER gonna work. hasnt done yet has it? not on a large scale

condoms can help in all cases. i would hate to think if someone couldnt get a condom and had sex anyway that something ad happens.....because this happens a lot

why be afraid of sex? perfectly natural.....educating about it means less people get harmed or exploited.

society changes....

 

[dballer]

video's that teach the proper use of condoms dont have to be pornographic


teenage pregnancy rates are on the up

so are STD infection rates

population no's are



how do we stop these? prevention of sex? is NEVER gonna work. hasnt done yet has it? not on a large scale

condoms can help in all cases. i would hate to think if someone couldnt get a condom and had sex anyway that something ad happens.....because this happens a lot

why be afraid of sex? perfectly natural.....educating about it means less people get harmed or exploited.

society changes....

I do not agree. Kids need to keep their peckers in their pants till they are about 16. I am not sure about over there... but we are giving 12 year olds condoms. I am all with giving teenagers in their later teens a condom.. but not a 12 or 13 year old. You gotta draw the line.

I am done with this... you all know my views.. I am not gonna bend.

 

[danielson]

I do not agree. Kids need to keep their peckers in their pants till they are about 16. I am not sure about over there... but we are giving 12 year olds condoms. I am all with giving teenagers in their later teens a condom.. but not a 12 or 13 year old. You gotta draw the line.

I am done with this... you all know my views.. I am not gonna bend.

ahh

didnt realise you ACTUALLY meant kids!

i still think they should have some sort of access (i.e. machines in toilets) but no promotion of sex in the sense (hey kiddies, Mr.X of durex brought some samples today)

and sex education is good....i think thats a good age for it, just not to be smothered with condoms

still i know i couldnt change your opinion. u is a rightie, i guess i am a bit lefty

 

[dballer]

ahh

didnt realise you ACTUALLY meant kids!

i still think they should have some sort of access (i.e. machines in toilets) but no promotion of sex in the sense (hey kiddies, Mr.X of durex brought some samples today)

and sex education is good....i think thats a good age for it, just not to be smothered with condoms

still i know i couldnt change your opinion. u is a rightie, i guess i am a bit lefty

Yep!!... not a problem my man!!

 

[Warik]

i still think they should have some sort of access (i.e. machines in toilets)

Those things suck.

-Warik

 

[big4life]

I look at it as sex is sex. Whether it's anal, oral or vaginal. It involves one person giving another an orgasm. People can find all the little key words or phrases to suit their needs, but the end result is the same.

On a side note, I know a couple where he travels during the week and they only see one another on the weekends. He will tell you that he doesn't cheat on her because he doesn't have vaginal sex with other women. He has every other type, but because he doesn't have that type, he's not cheating. I wonder what he would think if he knew his wife had the same opinion about her activities?

Nobody says anything to them, because we figure they deserve one another.

 

[dballer]

I know a couple where he travels during the week and they only see one another on the weekends. He will tell you that he doesn't cheat on her because he doesn't have vaginal sex with other women. He has every other type, but because he doesn't have that type, he's not cheating. I wonder what he would think if he knew his wife had the same opinion about her activities?

This is so common in todays world it is depressing. What kind of hope does someone have when this is what you have to look forward to? Might as well become a heroin addict.. it sounds alot better than having a significant other who fucks around on you while you are out earning their next meal.

 

[huntmaster]

condoms not being readily available is not the problem.

lack of education is not the problem.

Lack of Absolute Right in this situation is the problem.

There is too much grey area where this is concerned in the minds of kids.

The big problem is not enough parents and teachers and big brothers and sisters dont have the guts to stand up for what they used to know is right.

But, uh, wait a minute---that might take a little effort, a little restraint, maybe even a little dedication.

When people start standing up for what is right again in this country, we might start heading in the right direction--until then we will all just have these discussions and the nation will become more liberal.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

FFOS

Your PM Box is full.

NO, IT'S NOT!!!!

 

[HumorMe]

On a side note, I know a couple where he travels during the week and they only see one another on the weekends. He will tell you that he doesn't cheat on her because he doesn't have vaginal sex with other women. He has every other type, but because he doesn't have that type, he's not cheating. I wonder what he would think if he knew his wife had the same opinion about her activities?

Nobody says anything to them, because we figure they deserve one another.

I didn't know you knew the Clintons!