virgin suicide?

[dsa027]

ok, i've done my research, but am still pretty damn hestitant about this.

in any case, i've put a possible first cycle together from all the information i've gleaned from articles, posts, sites, etc.

my profile

- 41 yo (wtf!)
- been lifting consistently for almost 8 years
- 6'2" and 215 lbs, quality
- i was on Atkins and lost a bunch, now i'm on a modified Atkins, as in lots of protien, low fat, high fiber, mid complex carbs
- i'm working out like a demon, but am not getting bigger. i don't care too much about strength, but i'd like to make some good size gains without going overboard

Here's what I've put together for my first cycle. I figure on 2 cycles a year.

w1-2 sust 250mg/wk, deca 250mg/wk
w3-6 sust 500mg/wk, deca 400mg/wk
w7-8 sust 250mg/wk, deca 250mg/wk
w1-8 anavar 20mg/ed
w1-8 cytadren 200mg/ed (50mg 4 times a day)
w1-8 arimidex 1mg/every 3rd day
w1-8 nolva 20mg/ed
w1-12 proviron 50mg/ed
w9-10 clomid 100mg/ed
w11-12 clomid 50mg/ed

my big worries are...

- i remember having gyno when i first hit puberty. small, only just behind my nips. went away pretty quickly, i'm guessing a few short months. i think i was 12. i'm paranoid

- i don't have any interest in doing AS at all if my gains go away when i cycle off

- i'd rather not have my sex life go to pot after i cycle off

Thanks for the help!!!

 

[ruffian3]

Bro, you don't need cytadren, nolva, arimidex, and proviron. Pick one or the other. I would do 10mgs of nolva and 25mgs proviron everyday. And move clomid back a couple of weeks and start on week 12.

 

[ruffian3]

- i don't have any interest in doing AS at all if my gains go away when i cycle off

- i'd rather not have my sex life go to pot after i cycle off


Thanks for the help!!!

Keep your calories up post cycle and don't slack off and there is no reason you shouldn't keep most of your gains. I made that mistake on my first couple of cycles. Run proviron or avena sativa along with clomid and your libido should be good.

 

[thx9000]

Some reversable gyno is common in puberty.

I am not sure why you are steping the dosages up in the beginning or stepping down in the end. There's really no need at the start, and the drugs have moderate to long esters so that should accomplish your taper for you. I would go with even dosages of the injectibles thoughout the cycle.

There's really no need for the VAR, the deca and sust should be fine IMO. I would drop the cytadren and just have the nolva on hand in case of problems. As for the anti-e, arimidex works but if you are going to take provion then you might be able to get away with dropping the arimidex as well. Unfortunately if you do have gyno problems that result from the deca you will need bromo or dostinex as nolva wont help.

You might need HCG if you find you suffer from shrinkage (testicular) and the clomid should be started around wk11.

If you don't want to take risks with your sex drive then find something other than deca. Not saying you WILL have problems, but if you do deca can be pretty rough in that regard.

 

[genarr3]

Bro, you don't need cytadren, nolva, arimidex, and proviron. Pick one or the other. I would do 10mgs of nolva and 25mgs proviron everyday. And move clomid back a couple of weeks and start on week 12.

I agree. There is such a thing as overdoing it with the Anti-e's. IMO you're overdoing it.
And yes you're starting the Clomid too early. Three weeks after your last inject of the Sust or Deca, whichever is last.

 

[IHateCrunches]

and you anavar for 20mg a day is way way way too low for your weight. 40mg would do the trick... 20 is just a waste of money. And the way your going to make up for the extra money it will cost is by doing this... You dont need all those ancilliaries.. either take proviron and nolvadex OR arimidex and proviron OR clomid and nolva (i wouldNT choose this one)

 

[dsa027]

I love these 'boards! It's nice to finally belong to a 'board with serious folks and serious advice.

I think the tapering on and off is purely a result of being hesitant about it all, and not based on anything scientific.

Much appreciated

 

[Deleted member 33117]

If you are worried about your sex life, cut the deca out entirely. Also, why are you taper the doses up and down? The others are right on your anti e's as well. Try something like this for 8 weeks
sust 250 mg twice a week (500 mg total)
anavar 40 mg
proviron 50 mg ed
nolvadex 10 mg ed (since you are prone to gyno)
You should have little problems with water retention or gyno on that stack. If your diet is right you should make outstanding gains in quality lean mass with little, if any body fat gains, and with the anavar and proviron, should see a definate increase in hardness. Just my 2 cc's.

 

[Syphonfilter]

You say you're not concerned with strength, but at least IMO, you should be. If you're not moving up the weights, even a little bit, your body has no reason to increase it's muscular size.

You also say you're working out like a "demon" but aren't gaining size...what do your workouts look like now and are you resting enough?? Size happens outside of the gym with adequate rest and nutrition, the gym is just the precursor.

 

[liftshard]

too many drugs for first cycle.

deca ostensibly kills libido in a lot of people.

watch the prostate when on test.

 

[IHateCrunches]

ALSO: no offense bro being an older bro DECA will def be harder to bounce back form then say um..................ME

 

[RADAR]

For a first cycle you would be better off to stick to a single compound-that way you can see how your body reacts,A single esther test would be better such as test enanthate,unlike sus the shots are painless,2-shots divided 250mg mon & thurs (500 wk )should keep levels stable and provide good gains...and EAT!!!!! 6 servings per day allowing 2 quality protein shakes in between.Have nova on hand incase gyno develops,and post cycle recovery ready when you come off!!!! If i can be of further help..holler!!!!



RADAR

 

[BigAndy69]

At 41, your cycles will be different than a 20 year old that's for sure.

I would suggest a straight ester test like enanthate or cypionate.

Testovirons are good
Testen 250 by BM pharmaceuticals is awesome and cheap.

Deca dose is way to high. Deca also causes massive BP rise in some people and can shut you down hard.

I would suggest you go with Dubol 100 by BM pharmaceuticals.

It's nandrolone phenylprop, 100mg/ml, 2ml vial, pricey but awesome.

Here what I would suggest:

W1-8 125mg of test and 100mg of NPP every 3 days that works out to about 525mg total a week.


Also add some arimidex at 0.25mg ED

Keep some nolva and proviron on hand.

W9 switch to Test prop 100mg EOD and add anavar at 30mg ED

Run the prop w 9 and 10

keep the var ar 30mg w 11-12.

Post cycle therapy w13...

 

[trinidad]

I'd go with sust @ 500 wk for 8 wks. and eq @ 400 wk. for 8 wks.
Run nolva at 20 mgs. a day. Although I do like BigAndy's idea about the switch at wk 9 and running the anavar then as well.

 

[RADAR]

After reading all these posts i would be confused as hell..just starting out!!!


RADAR

 

[liftshard]

yeah...no shit.

You got old posts recommending 2 week on 1 week off stuff.

You need Fina to protect your manjuice pump while on test or it's gonna swell up like a beach ball.

Got the sticky on "newbie cycles don't need more than one drug!!!!" and if you ask, "hey, should I keep deca and do 3 drugs or just go w/ 2," you get abstract answers about 2-3 is better than "5 or 6."

I would say, do the sust one shot E4D. Stack it with var if you want, I guess...but most of what I've read suggests var is better stacked w/ something like deca. Var doesn't aromatize, does it, so all those anti-es should be needless.

I would actually suggest going
Dbol 2x10mg or even 2x20mg ED wk1-4
Sust250 E4D wk1-8
Fina 1mg ED for the prostate wk1-8
Use clomid in wk 9 or 10 or whatever. If you start feeling gyno, add Nolva when you need it.

 

[BodybuildingUniverse]

DSA, I am your exact height and bodyweight (or at least I was precycle) so I'll be interested to compare notes. I am doing cyp only for 8-10 weeks though

 

[dsa027]

will do bu...