virgin suicide?

[dsa027]

ok, i've done my research, but am still pretty damn hestitant about this.

in any case, i've put a possible first cycle together from all the information i've gleaned from articles, posts, sites, etc.

my profile

- 41 yo (wtf!)
- been lifting consistently for almost 8 years
- 6'2" and 215 lbs, quality
- i was on Atkins and lost a bunch, now i'm on a modified Atkins, as in lots of protien, low fat, high fiber, mid complex carbs
- i'm working out like a demon, but am not getting bigger. i don't care too much about strength, but i'd like to make some good size gains without going overboard

Here's what I've put together for my first cycle. I figure on 2 cycles a year.

w1-2 sust 250mg/wk, deca 250mg/wk
w3-6 sust 500mg/wk, deca 400mg/wk
w7-8 sust 250mg/wk, deca 250mg/wk
w1-8 anavar 20mg/ed
w1-8 cytadren 200mg/ed (50mg 4 times a day)
w1-8 arimidex 1mg/every 3rd day
w1-8 nolva 20mg/ed
w1-12 proviron 50mg/ed
w9-10 clomid 100mg/ed
w11-12 clomid 50mg/ed

my big worries are...

- i remember having gyno when i first hit puberty. small, only just behind my nips. went away pretty quickly, i'm guessing a few short months. i think i was 12. i'm paranoid

- i don't have any interest in doing AS at all if my gains go away when i cycle off

- i'd rather not have my sex life go to pot after i cycle off

Thanks for the help!!!

 

[ruffian3]

Bro, you don't need cytadren, nolva, arimidex, and proviron. Pick one or the other. I would do 10mgs of nolva and 25mgs proviron everyday. And move clomid back a couple of weeks and start on week 12.

 

[ruffian3]

- i don't have any interest in doing AS at all if my gains go away when i cycle off

- i'd rather not have my sex life go to pot after i cycle off


Thanks for the help!!!

Keep your calories up post cycle and don't slack off and there is no reason you shouldn't keep most of your gains. I made that mistake on my first couple of cycles. Run proviron or avena sativa along with clomid and your libido should be good.

 

[thx9000]

Some reversable gyno is common in puberty.

I am not sure why you are steping the dosages up in the beginning or stepping down in the end. There's really no need at the start, and the drugs have moderate to long esters so that should accomplish your taper for you. I would go with even dosages of the injectibles thoughout the cycle.

There's really no need for the VAR, the deca and sust should be fine IMO. I would drop the cytadren and just have the nolva on hand in case of problems. As for the anti-e, arimidex works but if you are going to take provion then you might be able to get away with dropping the arimidex as well. Unfortunately if you do have gyno problems that result from the deca you will need bromo or dostinex as nolva wont help.

You might need HCG if you find you suffer from shrinkage (testicular) and the clomid should be started around wk11.

If you don't want to take risks with your sex drive then find something other than deca. Not saying you WILL have problems, but if you do deca can be pretty rough in that regard.

 

[genarr3]

Bro, you don't need cytadren, nolva, arimidex, and proviron. Pick one or the other. I would do 10mgs of nolva and 25mgs proviron everyday. And move clomid back a couple of weeks and start on week 12.

I agree. There is such a thing as overdoing it with the Anti-e's. IMO you're overdoing it.
And yes you're starting the Clomid too early. Three weeks after your last inject of the Sust or Deca, whichever is last.

 

[IHateCrunches]

and you anavar for 20mg a day is way way way too low for your weight. 40mg would do the trick... 20 is just a waste of money. And the way your going to make up for the extra money it will cost is by doing this... You dont need all those ancilliaries.. either take proviron and nolvadex OR arimidex and proviron OR clomid and nolva (i wouldNT choose this one)

 

[dsa027]

I love these 'boards! It's nice to finally belong to a 'board with serious folks and serious advice.

I think the tapering on and off is purely a result of being hesitant about it all, and not based on anything scientific.

Much appreciated

 

[Deleted member 33117]

If you are worried about your sex life, cut the deca out entirely. Also, why are you taper the doses up and down? The others are right on your anti e's as well. Try something like this for 8 weeks
sust 250 mg twice a week (500 mg total)
anavar 40 mg
proviron 50 mg ed
nolvadex 10 mg ed (since you are prone to gyno)
You should have little problems with water retention or gyno on that stack. If your diet is right you should make outstanding gains in quality lean mass with little, if any body fat gains, and with the anavar and proviron, should see a definate increase in hardness. Just my 2 cc's.

 

[Syphonfilter]

You say you're not concerned with strength, but at least IMO, you should be. If you're not moving up the weights, even a little bit, your body has no reason to increase it's muscular size.

You also say you're working out like a "demon" but aren't gaining size...what do your workouts look like now and are you resting enough?? Size happens outside of the gym with adequate rest and nutrition, the gym is just the precursor.

 

[liftshard]

too many drugs for first cycle.

deca ostensibly kills libido in a lot of people.

watch the prostate when on test.