Now trying all 3 products at one time and am 12 weeks out or so from my show. Have always used Denkal products as well as tornel and truly no comparison. The denkal eq never made me hungry while the quality has me eating every 1 1/2 -2 hours ( i take 7 meals in a day contest time) I am very hard and fairly vascualr though only doing 15 min cardio 3 times a week at this point. Strength is great even on diet keep in mind I am only 5'3 and at this time today 174. I incline fly 90's dumbell press incline 105-115 so with my diet I think it shows how good the products are. I have NEVER been more impressed with any company as I am right now with quality vet as I am up 35 pounds over my last show weight ( came on stage at 139) thats my avatar pic 2nd place and I am at 7-8% bodyfat which should put me onstage 12-15 pounds heavier than last show maybe more. Check my online journal from time to time.