Update on horrific bloodwork results

[hercules1971]

5' 9 210 41yrs old 15% bf

was on a very long cycle close to 2 years with no side effects, used 600 mgs test 200 mgs deca...did bloodwork throught but never tested for prolactin and estrogen cause i thought i had no sides. all other bloodwork checked out normal....throughout cycle i did take some nolva and dostinex when i noticed any symptons...yes i know shoulda ran i throughout

ended cycle in sept and did a bloodwork check when it just ended
test 1500ng+ 348 - 1197
prolactin 184 4 - 15.2 avg
estrogen 492 40 - 115

yes they are very high

went on pct
dostinex .25 3 times a week
letro 2.25 ed
clomid 50 ed 1-3
forma-stan
b-6
unleashed/post cycle
hcg 1000iu a week for 3 weeks

got more bloodwork ran on 12/1
prolactin now 164 came down 20
estrogen now 373 came down 120
testosterone 330...now on low side
tsh,t4,t3,fsh and all those other good things all normal

went for mri on pituiatary gland..w/wo contrast
on post contrast images there suggestion of a small hypointense area 5 mm within the right side of sella. a small microadenoma could give this appearence. there is no mass effect. everything else was ok and normal...

pct continuing
im still running pct as stated before should i up the doses? any other suggestions would be helpful and please no bashing...if i forgot anything i appologize my boobs have gotten softer since i came off obviously, no lumps behind nipples. just tissue on side of boobs is like hard and lumby but it feels like fat..i go to my ENDO doctor next thurs....hopefully she will give me letro and dost with a prescription..im using liquid from AG

 

[stevesmi]

you ran deca for 2 years straight.. not sure what you were expecting.

what is your LH at?

continue PCT, its gonna take a while for you to get back to normal. those numbers are being heavily manipulated by the compounds you are running for pct which is what pct is for. once you finish pct wait a few weeks and then take bloods and then see where things are at. then run another pct again and repeat the same procedure. keep doing that until your body is ready to take over

 

[stevesmi]

oh and make sure you tell your endo what you are on.

she won't understand those numbers

 

[hercules1971]

update from endo i saw today

told me to take nothing for 3 months and come back and see her....and told me to get a mommogram on my boobs...told her i was doing some dost/letro and she still looked at me like i was nuts for most part. so i said my tits are on fire u cant give me something to help them out and lower the levels that are high, she said they will come down naturally...so im pretty much on my own by self medicating myself to lower my own levels...anyone have a powerfull over the top pct.....no longer doing hcg but i am running hcgenerate ..should i be doing clomid or hcgenerate..or doesnt it matter...3 months ago i came off cycle and ive only lost a pound...when i look in mirror i look smaller but thats my brain thinking that.. im def alot softer due to test/estrogen ratio...she said i may be shutdown for over a year..and said my balls may never work again...

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ she is underestimating how powerful 2 years of deca is on your entire system.

just coming off with no help is gonna be rough, very rough. you need to continue PCT.

also she doesn't understand that you are gonna bleed away all your gains without a soft landing

 

[hercules1971]

steve can u put together a strong pct for me....why wont the soreness in my boobs go away..is it cause im using unleashed and freeing up test or what....

 

[jeremyng25]

5' 9 210 41yrs old 15% bf

was on a very long cycle close to 2 years with no side effects, used 600 mgs test 200 mgs deca...did bloodwork throught but never tested for prolactin and estrogen cause i thought i had no sides. all other bloodwork checked out normal....throughout cycle i did take some nolva and dostinex when i noticed any symptons...yes i know shoulda ran i throughout

ended cycle in sept and did a bloodwork check when it just ended
test 1500ng+ 348 - 1197
prolactin 184 4 - 15.2 avg
estrogen 492 40 - 115

yes they are very high

went on pct
dostinex .25 3 times a week
letro 2.25 ed
clomid 50 ed 1-3
forma-stan
b-6
unleashed/post cycle
hcg 1000iu a week for 3 weeks

got more bloodwork ran on 12/1
prolactin now 164 came down 20
estrogen now 373 came down 120
testosterone 330...now on low side
tsh,t4,t3,fsh and all those other good things all normal

went for mri on pituiatary gland..w/wo contrast
on post contrast images there suggestion of a small hypointense area 5 mm within the right side of sella. a small microadenoma could give this appearence. there is no mass effect. everything else was ok and normal...

pct continuing
im still running pct as stated before should i up the doses? any other suggestions would be helpful and please no bashing...if i forgot anything i appologize my boobs have gotten softer since i came off obviously, no lumps behind nipples. just tissue on side of boobs is like hard and lumby but it feels like fat..i go to my ENDO doctor next thurs....hopefully she will give me letro and dost with a prescription..im using liquid from AG

Damn you were cruisssssinnnn

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[stevesmi]

steve can u put together a strong pct for me....why wont the soreness in my boobs go away..is it cause im using unleashed and freeing up test or what....

assuming the stuff you are taking is legit i would continue doing what you are doing.

its just gonna take time.. i am working with a guy right now who was on test cream for 2 years and he is trying to get balanced out and its not easy, so i cannot imagine being on deca for 2 years.

it won't be easy, it won't be fun. but you will have to be patient

thats the price of being on that long

blast the hcg and HMG first.. then pct... come off.. give the body a break..get bloods... then repeat again.. it may take 3 or 4 efforts but you should get things going after that. stay positive and keep working out.. that makes big difference.

also just a suggestion but i wouldn't take the letro, it can be harsh. the other stuff you are taking should be enough.. but thats just my opinion.

 

[LoveSnatches]

Why the hell would you stay on roids for so long?

 

[hercules1971]

yea i was cruisin lol...cruisin for a bruisen .....well my stuff is from a source everyone uses so it better be good....

 

[Texas Monster]

OMG deca for 2 years????? After 15 weeks I had enough................

What you may need is just going right into TRT.......it might take too long for your body to recover itself and balance back out and the benefits would not outway the amount of time that you would have low test. This is when you have to be thinking about your heart health, prostate, etc etc.........................

 

[hercules1971]

ummm i stayed on so long cause i kept getting bigger and stronger.and i looked good .isnt that why everyone takes them? .never had a libido issue...always had bloodwork done on major organs so i figured i was ok....i also get paid to play softball 9 months a year so i couldnt allow myself to lose any strength at the time.... u guys act like bodybuilders who compete come off, some never come off completely..im sure when they do they will have issues also

 

[Aplopez8]

Do u have any libido issues now?

 

[hercules1971]

libido isnt where it was when i was on of course.....i still get erections in the morning which is a plus, but i lost desire for the most part...

 

[muscleaddiction]

Holy sheep shit Batman...Deca for 2 years, you are one unique individual...I will never touch Deca again...EVER!!! Follow what Steve is telling you, it will take time buddy...you have put your system through a lot!

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[hercules1971]

thx for all the support...it does help ....but i wont ever touch deca again...may never touch anything but test again....and thats only because i have too..

 

[LoveSnatches]

Why you guys say you'll never touch deca again? Its such a staple in the cycle logs....

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[muscleaddiction]

I like EQ better, and Tren ...just not a fan of Deca. I am going to try NPP down the road so will see how my body reacts to that.

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[stevesmi]

Why you guys say you'll never touch deca again? Its such a staple in the cycle logs....

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if newbs would understand what 'deca' meant they would never run it again.

deca is an ester. its not a name of a steroid.

you can run NPP which is a nandrolone and enjoy without having a long ass stubborn ester attached that will suppress you weeks and weeks after you stop taking it.

hope that helps.

 

[auslifter90]

this is what you need to do

blast hcg 2500iu every 2nd day for 3 weeks
you need a high dose of aromasin or letrozole, this will really get your estrogen going
d aspartic acid
clomid
zma
keep taking your dostinex
use forma if you have to, personally i dont like to use it for pct since it converts but everyone here seems to use it so i guess it works. dries me out great on cycle tho lol

 

[Nelson Montana]

Why you guys say you'll never touch deca again? Its such a staple in the cycle logs....

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In 1992, yeah.

 

[xxxoooxxx]

I wonder what cruising with deca at 100mg a week will do over the years....