unleashed questions

[165pwrlifter]

1. how does in compare to the real deal like arimidex?
2. what is considered a dose of unleashed when "on?"
3. how many doses come in a bottle?

 

[rikishi]

1. how does in compare to the real deal like arimidex?
2. what is considered a dose of unleashed when "on?"
3. how many doses come in a bottle?

Unleashed is a natural herbal supplement that can AID in pct, but should absolutely not be the focal point.

My biggest complain about Unleashed is the small dosages. There's only 500 mg Avena Sativa per serving. Everything I've read about Avena Sativa dosages says that you need 2-4 g of it for it to be worth your while. And especially for someone 250+ lbs, I'd probably need even more than that.

How about increasing the dosage, Nelson?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Unleashed is a natural herbal supplement that can AID in pct, but should absolutely not be the focal point.

My biggest complain about Unleashed is the small dosages. There's only 500 mg Avena Sativa per serving. Everything I've read about Avena Sativa dosages says that you need 2-4 g of it for it to be worth your while. And especially for someone 250+ lbs, I'd probably need even more than that.

How about increasing the dosage, Nelson?

It doesn;t contain avena sativa. It contains avenacosides which is 20x's more potent than pure avena sativa. Most knock-off versions just use the entire plant as opposed to the extract. Then you would need more like 5 grams of it to do anything. 500 mgs of avenacosises is equal to 10 grams of avena sativa.

And it does not work like arimidex -- it's more like proviron, so it increases free T and has a slight anti e effect due to lowering SHBG.

A bottle lasts a month, though a lot of guys use it as a pro sexual aid, in which case you might go through it sooner.

 

[needtogetaas]

It doesn;t contain avena sativa. It contains avenacosides which is 20x's more potent than pure avena sativa. Most knock-off versions just use the entire plant as opposed to the extract. Then you would need more like 5 grams of it to do anything. 500 mgs of avenacosises is equal to 10 grams of avena sativa.

And it does not work like arimidex -- it's more like proviron, so it increases free T and has a slight anti e effect due to lowering SHBG.

A bottle lasts a month, though a lot of guys use it as a pro sexual aid, in which case you might go through it sooner.

SO SO there.

 

[satelliteyears]

I haven't gotten mine yet in the mail, however according to the site where you buy it, it doesn't contain Avena Sativa at all. It is Urtica Dioica which is a stinging nettle derivative.

Ok, just got mine in the mail. It is a variety of stuff including avena sativa (avenacosides) and urtica dioica.

 

[satelliteyears]

So, would it be beneficial to use during and after a cycle? It says it could help boost steroids or pro-hormones during the cycle.

 

[daville]

Good for on and off !!!! I always include it in my PCT for sure!

 

[Nelson Montana]

So, would it be beneficial to use during and after a cycle? It says it could help boost steroids or pro-hormones during the cycle.

Yep. It enhances the effectiveness of test but it also makes a nice non suppressive "bridge."

 

[centeroiler]

Hey Nelson, I hate to be a ball buster (well, hate is kind of a strong word. LOL), but Unleashed says it has Avena Sativa 7%-8% Avenacosides. So, 500mg x .07% = 35mg of Avenacosides. Or, am I wrong and about to be called a retard?

Oh, and while I'm busting balls, throw out that Utica Dioica and add some real (95%) 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran. This is the active component in Nettle Root that has the highest affinity for, and binds to SGHB. (I've been using it for my prostate because of its other effects.)

I haven't tried it yet, but by all accounts Unleashed is a great product with research to back it up.

 

[dmc777]

Hey Nelson, I hate to be a ball buster (well, hate is kind of a strong word. LOL), but Unleashed says it has Avena Sativa 7%-8% Avenacosides. So, 500mg x .07% = 35mg of Avenacosides. Or, am I wrong and about to be called a retard?

Oh, and while I'm busting balls, throw out that Utica Dioica and add some real (95%) 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran. This is the active component in Nettle Root that has the highest affinity for, and binds to SGHB. (I've been using it for my prostate because of its other effects.)

I haven't tried it yet, but by all accounts Unleashed is a great product with research to back it up.

Dude I am always impressed by the serious research you do. Do you just research shit all day lol? I though I was bad...

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Dude I am always impressed by the serious research you do. Do you just research shit all day lol? I though I was bad...

lol

 

[centeroiler]

Dude I am always impressed by the serious research you do. Do you just research shit all day lol? I though I was bad...

No, all night!. F*#%$! insomnia. I gotta get some needtosleep !

Anyway, thanks broham.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Hey Nelson, I hate to be a ball buster (well, hate is kind of a strong word. LOL), but Unleashed says it has Avena Sativa 7%-8% Avenacosides. So, 500mg x .07% = 35mg of Avenacosides. Or, am I wrong and about to be called a retard?

Oh, and while I'm busting balls, throw out that Utica Dioica and add some real (95%) 3,4-Divanillyltetrahydrofuran. This is the active component in Nettle Root that has the highest affinity for, and binds to SGHB. (I've been using it for my prostate because of its other effects.)

I haven't tried it yet, but by all accounts Unleashed is a great product with research to back it up.

I was simplifying the info but leave it to you to bust balls with technicalities! lol

Okay, avena sativa can be classified in many ways. There are two types of leaves, basically the "good" stuff and the lesser quality. Then there are the stems, which are pretty weak. Anyone can use 90% stems and call it avena sativa. Of course, it will do next to nothing. Then there are the leaves that contain the "aerial" extract. That's the good stuff. And within that is the avenacosides, which is the gold. So yeah, the math may look like it equals this or that but essentially, the avena we use it the quality leaf which has the aerial extract, no stems, plus the avenacosises. It's the best quality you can buy. Check out the labels of most other avena products and they include it in a "propriatory blend." Which is a way of saying that they don;t want you to know how little it contains. Avena is actually pretty expensive but the lower grade (and the stems) are cheap so anyone can out that in their formula.

As for 3,4 Divanel, it's essentially an anti androgen! It lowers DHT -- great for the prostate and hair line but lousy for libido and muscle hardness. Proviron IS DHT, which is why it gets you tight and makes you horny. (As does UNLEASHED).

1500, what didn't you like about the way you felt on POST CYCLE? never heard thst before. Were you taking an anti e at the time, because it may have lowered your e too much.

 

[mattu3743]

I love threads like this!!!!!!!!!

 

[dmc777]

bump

 

[dmc777]

Not that I felt "bad" on post cycle. I just felt really good on unleashed. I didnt get that good feeling on post cycle. I could literally feel when i went on unleashed and when i came off of it.

I probably articulated it incorrectly. Post cycle did what it was supposed to do for me, it just didnt give me that "happy" feeling that unleashed gives me.

Why didn't you just take the Post Cycle and Unleashed together? Kill two birds with one stone....

 

[1500]

Why didn't you just take the Post Cycle and Unleashed together? Kill two birds with one stone....

When I first try a new product, i like to try them separately so i can tell what is doing what for me. If something doesnt do what it says, I dont waste my money on it anymore and i can it give it a fair honest review.

I would now run them together because I know that they actually work individually. I refuse to take anyone's review on a product. I have to try them for myself.

 

[dirtyluke1]

Hey Nelson whats this about Unleashed being used as a "Bridge" care to explain does this actually work?.....i've done 10mg d-bol bridges before but never with OTS like unleashed...info would be greatly appreciate it
Thank u!

 

[Nelson Montana]

When I first try a new product, i like to try them separately so i can tell what is doing what for me. If something doesnt do what it says, I dont waste my money on it anymore and i can it give it a fair honest review.

I would now run them together because I know that they actually work individually. I refuse to take anyone's review on a product. I have to try them for myself.

If more people did that there'd be less money spent on junk and more progress to be gained by the good stuff. Sometimes it's hard for a good product to get noticed when so many companies promise the stars and the moon and deliver nothing.

UNLEASHED works as a SAFE bridge -- to keep free T high in between cycles without suppression. If you're doing dbol, even 5 mgs a day, you'll never fully recover.

 

[centeroiler]

I was simplifying the info but leave it to you to bust balls with technicalities! lol

Okay, avena sativa can be classified in many ways. There are two types of leaves, basically the "good" stuff and the lesser quality. Then there are the stems, which are pretty weak. Anyone can use 90% stems and call it avena sativa. Of course, it will do next to nothing. Then there are the leaves that contain the "aerial" extract. That's the good stuff. And within that is the avenacosides, which is the gold. So yeah, the math may look like it equals this or that but essentially, the avena we use it the quality leaf which has the aerial extract, no stems, plus the avenacosises. It's the best quality you can buy. Check out the labels of most other avena products and they include it in a "propriatory blend." Which is a way of saying that they don;t want you to know how little it contains. Avena is actually pretty expensive but the lower grade (and the stems) are cheap so anyone can out that in their formula.

As for 3,4 Divanel, it's essentially an anti androgen! It lowers DHT -- great for the prostate and hair line but lousy for libido and muscle hardness. Proviron IS DHT, which is why it gets you tight and makes you horny. (As does UNLEASHED).

1500, what didn't you like about the way you felt on POST CYCLE? never heard thst before. Were you taking an anti e at the time, because it may have lowered your e too much.

Aww, c'mon Nelson, it gives me meaning in my life. Who loves ya, bunky? Just kidding, of course. lmao

I really like that you list the actual ingredients, and not some bullshit "proprietary", "patented" "blend or complex" of minute quantities of the actual ingredients. "Propriety Complex = "We put just enough in so we can list them without getting into trouble for totally fucking you and selling you shit". With ingredients like you have in Unleashed and Post Cycle, you should be proud to list them.

On the subject of divanil, I don't want to go too far into this here and hijack the thread. I will just say this, it is not an anti-androgen. Divanil actually appears to be more of a pro-androgen. It actively completes with androgens for binding to SHBG, freeing up both testosterone and DHT. This is the whole premis behind why DHT drugs like Proviron are so effective in increasing free test. DHT binds to SHBG inplace of Testosterone. It also strongly competes with DHT for the androgen receptor on the prostate, hence its effectiveness at treating BPH. It appears it is this mechanism, and not inibition of 5-alpha reductase which is anti-androgenic, that accounts for its BHP soothing properties. I'll start a separate, detailed thread on this. We can do battle on "technicalities" over there! lol

Hey Nelson, do you have any of your studies you could publish about the ineffectiveness of Long Jack? I see another supplement touting this as being the best. Personally, I'll take Unleashed.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Aww, c'mon Nelson, it gives me meaning in my life. Who loves ya, bunky? Just kidding, of course. lmao

I really like that you list the actual ingredients, and not some bullshit "proprietary", "patented" "blend or complex" of minute quantities of the actual ingredients. "Propriety Complex = "We put just enough in so we can list them without getting into trouble for totally fucking you and selling you shit". With ingredients like you have in Unleashed and Post Cycle, you should be proud to list them.

On the subject of divanil, I don't want to go too far into this here and hijack the thread. I will just say this, it is not an anti-androgen. Divanil actually appears to be more of a pro-androgen. It actively completes with androgens for binding to SHGB, freeing up both testosterone and DHT. This is the whole premis behind why DHT drugs like Proviron are so effective in increasing free test. It also strongly competes with DHT for the androgen receptor on the prostate, hence its effectiveness at treating BPH. It appears it is this mechanism, and not inibition of 5-alpha reductase which is anti-androgenic, that accounts for its BHP soothing properties. I'll start a separate,
detailed thread on this. We can do battle on "technicalities" over there! lol

Hey Nelson, do you have any of your studies you could publish about the ineffectiveness of Long Jack? I see another supplement touting this as being the best. Personally, I'll take Unleashed.

The jury is out on 3. 4 divinal but I let you start a seperate thread on that so we don;t go back and forth.

Funny thing about long jack. What I read sounded good and was looking forward to using it back in 2001 so we did a very informal study. (Protein Factory can't spend tens of thousands of dollars utilizing hundreds of subjects. Then again, many other companies just SAY they do!) Anyway, I personally noticed no effect from it. On 3 subjects we did a before and after blood work check. (They were going in anyway so they used Long jack for two weeks prior). Testosterone levels, both free and total were unchanged. I know it's not a lot but it's enough for to say "why bother?" Free T was increased accross the board with avenacosides and muara puama so why use something LESS potent?

 

[dmc777]

The jury is out on 3. 4 divinal but I let you start a seperate thread on that so we don;t go back and forth.

Funny thing about long jack. What I read sounded good and was looking forward to using it back in 2001 so we did a very informal study. (Protein Factory can't spend tens of thousands of dollars utilizing hundreds of subjects. Then again, many other companies just SAY they do!) Anyway, I personally noticed no effect from it. On 3 subjects we did a before and after blood work check. (They were going in anyway so they used Long jack for two weeks prior). Testosterone levels, both free and total were unchanged. I know it's not a lot but it's enough for to say "why bother?" Free T was increased accross the board with avenacosides and muara puama so why use something LESS potent?

I'm sure this may be in your product description but I'm already here so how long did it take for free T to increase with avenacosides and maura puama? Also, what's your take on Fenugreek and 5-Methyl-7-Methoxy Isoflavone? Would it be worth adding it in as a bridge to preserve gains along with Unleashed and Post Cycle?

 

[centeroiler]

I'm sure this may be in your product description but I'm already here so how long did it take for free T to increase with avenacosides and maura puama? Also, what's your take on Fenugreek and 5-Methyl-7-Methoxy Isoflavone? Would it be worth adding it in as a bridge to preserve gains along with Unleashed and Post Cycle?

Hmm...good question for Nelson. I think these more "mimic" testosterone than "free" it. I wonder what the effect would be with Unleashed.

We may want to get Primordial Performance to weigh in on this one too.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Hmm...good question for Nelson. I think these more "mimic" testosterone than "free" it. I wonder what the effect would be with Unleashed.

We may want to get Primordial Performance to weigh in on this one too.

Fenucreek is a phyto-estrogen.

Methoxy isoflavone is very effective..IF...it can be absorbed. And the digestive tract destroys it 100%. I believe that's in one of PP's topicals so maybe they found a way of increasing the absorbtion. I'll let Eric field that one.

 

[centeroiler]

I wanted to emphasize, and clarify one point I was making about the 7-8% avenacosides in Unleashed in my other post. What I should say is that even at 35mg, seeing as avenacosides are really the only effective part of avena sativa, this is a hell of a lot more effective then just groung up, bulk avena sativa twigs/branches and all. Unleashed uses a standardized formula, at a specified dose/amount, and thats the way I want to see it if I'm gonna buy it.

 

[GDF]

Centeroiler please start a thread on the prostate, I am very interested. Thanks!

 

[dmc777]

Centeroiler please start a thread on the prostate, I am very interested. Thanks!

I am too. I bought a bottle of Saw Palmetto then found out that it isn't good to take on cycle so I imagine I don't want to take it at all. I guess it's down to Lycopene and Selenium...

 

[Nelson Montana]

I am too. I bought a bottle of Saw Palmetto then found out that it isn't good to take on cycle so I imagine I don't want to take it at all. I guess it's down to Lycopene and Selenium...

Also, watch your estrogen levels.