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spongebob
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wodin, your a wise man.
and so was these two great leaders,....
" If I went to work in a factory, the first thing I'd do would be to join a Union."
- President Franklin D. Roosevelt
" All that serves labor serves the nation and all that harms is treason. If a man tells you he loves America yet hates labor, he is a liar. If a man tells you he trusts America yet fears labor, he is a fool. There is no America without labor, and fleece to one is to rob the other."
- Abraham Lincoln
to sit here an argue the bad points of a union is rediculous IMO.
the good far outwieghs the bad. 95% of union employees are hard working individuals.
i work for a petrochemical company, and im in the AFL-CIO 347. ive worked for a non union chemical company as well. BASF. the company i work for now filed CH11 last year. just five or six years ago, this company was turning more than a million dollars a day in profits in good months. now thier CH11. the top brass ran it into the ground with stupid decisions. now its contract time for the hourly employees. guess what? they wanna cut wages and benefits across the board for hourly. you say, "well they are in CH11". but wait, they just gave an across the board raise for all its already over paid salaried people, plus just recently handed out retention bonuses to some of them. now why should i take a paycut? you see, companies sometimes are out to get you. to make such blanket statements to the contrary is rediculous. for some companies, 2 billion is not enough, they need 2.000001 billion. and they'll cut your throat to get it. me, if this company im working for now doesnt give me at least a 3% raise for this year with 3% for the following three years, then im walking, plain and simple. thats just keeping up with inflation.too many other jobs out there for me.
and so was these two great leaders,....
" If I went to work in a factory, the first thing I'd do would be to join a Union."
- President Franklin D. Roosevelt
" All that serves labor serves the nation and all that harms is treason. If a man tells you he loves America yet hates labor, he is a liar. If a man tells you he trusts America yet fears labor, he is a fool. There is no America without labor, and fleece to one is to rob the other."
- Abraham Lincoln
to sit here an argue the bad points of a union is rediculous IMO.
the good far outwieghs the bad. 95% of union employees are hard working individuals.
i work for a petrochemical company, and im in the AFL-CIO 347. ive worked for a non union chemical company as well. BASF. the company i work for now filed CH11 last year. just five or six years ago, this company was turning more than a million dollars a day in profits in good months. now thier CH11. the top brass ran it into the ground with stupid decisions. now its contract time for the hourly employees. guess what? they wanna cut wages and benefits across the board for hourly. you say, "well they are in CH11". but wait, they just gave an across the board raise for all its already over paid salaried people, plus just recently handed out retention bonuses to some of them. now why should i take a paycut? you see, companies sometimes are out to get you. to make such blanket statements to the contrary is rediculous. for some companies, 2 billion is not enough, they need 2.000001 billion. and they'll cut your throat to get it. me, if this company im working for now doesnt give me at least a 3% raise for this year with 3% for the following three years, then im walking, plain and simple. thats just keeping up with inflation.too many other jobs out there for me.
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Warik
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danielson said:so what did you get for history?your teacher sounds like a dumbass
I think I got a B or something. Didn't learn shit and got a passing grade. He spent 4 weeks on the Holocaust and had guest speakers and everything, but completely skipped every other aspect of World War II including Pearl Harbor, the bombing of Hiroshima... hell, even who the fuck was fighting who!!! Can you guess his religious preference?
-Warik
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Warik
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danielson said:
shintoism?
(J/K)
thats bad teaching. great he did so well for that one aspect but negated the rest of history. now im out of HS i dont have to put up with stupid techers and instead get bumblimg lecturers
Actually his teaching of the Holocaust sucked too. He spent a month talking about "Hitler was bad. He killed many Jews. He was psycho. They put Jews in concentration camps and cooked them." God damn man... everybody knows all of this already. Why not talk about HISTORY? Why did Hitler do it? What were the results of it? What effect did it have on the fucking war that you never said jack shit about!!!! What a dumbass.
-Warik
huntmaster
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Teamsters Local 767 here---Ft Worth, Tx.
This year is contract year at UPS and it looks like it is going to be a dandy. They are saying $4 an hour accross the board raise for part timers. And it is not just rumors---all the stewards are backing it and the company knows that they will have to do this b/c they screwed the p/timers in the 80's. so now it is payback time.
Anyway, overall I like the Union. there are some things I dont like about how they effect the workplace. Some peole think they dont have to work b/c they are union, but these people get weaded out where i work.
I did not agree with the strike in 97 looking back now and neither does hardly any of us. There is no way on earth that we will strike this year. I heard they are trying for 20 and out---that would be cool!!
My job would not be what it is if John Casey, founder of UPS would not have asked the Teamsters to organize back in the 30's---thats right, he asked them to organize.
This year is contract year at UPS and it looks like it is going to be a dandy. They are saying $4 an hour accross the board raise for part timers. And it is not just rumors---all the stewards are backing it and the company knows that they will have to do this b/c they screwed the p/timers in the 80's. so now it is payback time.
Anyway, overall I like the Union. there are some things I dont like about how they effect the workplace. Some peole think they dont have to work b/c they are union, but these people get weaded out where i work.
I did not agree with the strike in 97 looking back now and neither does hardly any of us. There is no way on earth that we will strike this year. I heard they are trying for 20 and out---that would be cool!!
My job would not be what it is if John Casey, founder of UPS would not have asked the Teamsters to organize back in the 30's---thats right, he asked them to organize.
Warik said:
If it wasnt for unions you wouldnt have weekends off your shitty job. nor would you work 9-5, you would work for scraps pal. If you think big business actually *cares* about your days off, fair pay, and overall wellness you need to pull your head out of your ass (sorry to be so blunt)
huntmaster
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I would say that the biggest thing that I despise about my union is that they give so much money to the damn Democratic Party.
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Warik
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IanStuart said:
Actually, I make my own hours, which often do not include weekends, and are often not from 9-5 straight, take as many breaks as I want, and probably make more than you just for sitting behind a desk. Big business cares about what makes them money. Fucking good employees in the ass doesn't make good money. Be a good employee and you won't get fucked. Plain and simple.
-Warik
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